PLO. 5-bet pot. Flop spot.

[GreekStein]

I discussed the hand with 2 PLO players after the hand and both said very different things and now I don't know if I'm levelling myself.

I don't wanna say my opinion yet until I've had some others. If anyone has anything interesting to say about the rest of the hand (sizing etc), fire away but if not I mainly want to discuss the flop....

Please only post if you have reasonable experience / knowledge of PLO.

Full Tilt Poker Game #25860584113: Table Vroom (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:30:31 ET - 2010/11/25
Seat 1: pete royal ($166.45)
Seat 2: phoenix21xx ($578.90)
Seat 3: GreekStein ($274.65)
Seat 4: erdissimo ($75.80)
Seat 5: Morkgohome ($60.90)
Seat 6: aniara66 ($59.15)
erdissimo posts the small blind of $0.50
Morkgohome posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GreekStein [ As]
aniara66 folds
pete royal has 8 seconds left to act
pete royal folds
phoenix21xx raises to $3.50
GreekStein has 15 seconds left to act
GreekStein raises to $12
erdissimo folds
Morkgohome folds
phoenix21xx raises to $37.50
GreekStein raises to $114
phoenix21xx calls $76.50
*** FLOP *** [ ]
phoenix21xx checks
GreekStein bets $160.65, and is all in
phoenix21xx calls $160.65
GreekStein shows [ As]
phoenix21xx shows [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
GreekStein shows a pair of Aces
phoenix21xx shows three of a kind, Kings
phoenix21xx wins the pot ($547.80) with three of a kind, Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $550.80 | Rake $3
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: pete royal didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: phoenix21xx showed [ ] and won ($547.80) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 3: GreekStein (button) showed [ As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: erdissimo (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Morkgohome (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: aniara66 didn't bet (folded)

[Skgv]

Really u asking people to treat this serious ? Blimimng comedian if im being polite! CHECK FOLD OBV ON FLOP...... not ROCKET SCIENCE.....................................

[titaniumbean]

Any reads on opponent?

we haz da ayces of spades.

we also have 4 cards, maybe that was a misdeal. who knows.......

[GreekStein]

Really u asking people to treat this serious ? Blimimng comedian if im being polite! CHECK FOLD OBV ON FLOP...... not ROCKET SCIENCE.....................................

Is that because you saw his hand?

[titaniumbean]

You're the fish who cant post reads or remove results so don't blame other people for being results orientated.



Amateur mistake.

[doubleup]

Once the pot is so big pre, you have to push with your hand, its just unlucky he has hit.  Someone might be able to do one of those graphs that show what his likely equity is on any flop, I'd be surprised if always pushing isnt profitable against that hand (tho not sure about a rundown hand).



If I get deep in rush I try to disguise my hand as much as possible, so would just call a 4 bet in position with a wide range also I don't 3 bet full pot.

[Skgv]

Once the pot is so big pre, you have to push with your hand, its just unlucky he has hit.  Someone might be able to do one of those graphs that show what his likely equity is on any flop, I'd be surprised if always pushing isnt profitable against that hand (tho not sure about a rundown hand).



If I get deep in rush I try to disguise my hand as much as possible, so would just call a 4 bet in position with a wide range also I don't 3 bet full pot.

not all true, but unfortunetly this is worst possible flop for his hand an its almost 100% the other guy got some of this. Pre flop is absoltuley fine play with just flat calling also but very weak long term an it has to be a check fold here on flop.
p.s DIDNT EVEN SEE FINISH HANDS GREEKY JUST PLAIN COMMOM SENSE WITH UR HOLDINGS HE MUST HAVE ALOT OF THAT FLOP 90% OF THE TIME.

[Karabiner]

Fold pre.




























 

[Dry em]

gl check folding

[Laxie]

Am I right in thinking you only have 2 (3 ish if yer an optimist) hands pre and he has 4?  I'm not keen as you don't have much really.  Deffo never seeing the pot get beyond the 3 bet pre and folding the flop.

[GreekStein]

Range of opinions here, pls post moaaar

[ACE2M]

I didn't read anybody else's opinions but i check fold the flop personally.

What hand can he have that doesn't have enough of this flop to take the risk that you're not holding spades or AJ. Any flush calls, any straight calls, any set calls, top 2 is prob pushing it but i could probably do it for the pot size. Given pre flop he must have one of these about 90% of the time.

[MC]

$114 out of our $274 is in the middle, if we're 5 betting pre surely we're committing ourselves to the pot whatever comes?

[GreekStein]

$114 out of our $274 is in the middle, if we're 5 betting pre surely we're committing ourselves to the pot whatever comes?

Does this then mean we should be sizing differently in the hand and even flatting the 4-bet with position?

Also, this is like the nut worst flop for us

[MC]

$114 out of our $274 is in the middle, if we're 5 betting pre surely we're committing ourselves to the pot whatever comes?

Does this then mean we should be sizing differently in the hand and even flatting the 4-bet with position?

Also, this is like the nut worst flop for us

I don't see anything wrong with committing as much as possible pre. So I guess checking back the flop and folding any turn is probs okay seeing as it's the worst flop possible. I should have paid attention to your disclaimer