Was the error pre-flop or on the flop?

[neeko]

314 players, last 5, 12.7 BB's left, AQo UTG

- Did i go wrong pre flop with not shoving, or should i check the flop, then go broke on the turn?

Game #7976319814: HeadHunter $1.5K GTD (ID8305886) $5+$0.50 - Hold'em NL (2000/4000) - 2008/10/08 - 20:31:56 (UK)
Table "8305886 - 1" Seat 8 is the button.
Seat 1: sainty (214783 in chips)
Seat 3: Hallari (70514 in chips)
Seat 5: Neeko (51030 in chips)
Seat 7: Cheryl13 (73761 in chips)
Seat 8: Smiler101 (60912 in chips)
sainty: posts the ante 500
Hallari: posts the ante 500
Neeko: posts the ante 500
Cheryl13: posts the ante 500
Smiler101: posts the ante 500
sainty: posts small blind 2000
Hallari: posts big blind 4000
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Neeko [ ]
Neeko: raises to 12000
Cheryl13: folds
Smiler101: folds
sainty: calls 10000
Hallari: calls 8000
----- FLOP ----- [ ]
sainty: checks
Hallari: checks
Neeko: bets 38530 and is all-in
sainty: calls 38530
Hallari: folds
----- TURN ----- [ ][ ]
----- RIVER ----- [   ][]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Neeko: shows [ ] (A Pair of Aces, Queen high)
sainty: shows [ ] (Two Pairs, Sevens and Sixes, Ace high)
sainty collected 115560 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 115560 Main pot 115560 Rake 0
Board [   ]
Seat 1: sainty (small blind) showed [ ] and won (115560) with Two Pairs, Sevens and Sixes, Ace high
Seat 3: Hallari (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Neeko showed [ ] and lost with A Pair of Aces, Queen high
Seat 7: Cheryl13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Smiler101 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[ThatsSoMinusEV]

When thinking about stack sizes to shove instead of doing straight up 10bbs try another strategy.

I was moved onto something called "true bb's" which is basically 2/3's or the starting pot. Here i think if i worked it out ok, 5.6k is a true bb.

Any stack less than 10 "true" bb's is a push/fold stack, so with 51k yes you should have open-shoved pre.

He did not have implied value to call w suited connectors but oh well, live and learn

[Colchester Kev]

8.5k in the middle and I am UTG ... its a snap all in from me and if i run into a better hand, gg.

[Longy]

I would just shove pre with antes in play.

[ShatnerPants]

I would just shove pre with antes in play.

I spend too much time thinking of my stack in terms of Xx BB, even when antes kick in.  In this case the M is about 6 I believe.

At what sort of M do you start pushing preflop ?

[Longy]

M of about 8 and below imo. 10bbs without antes= 7.5 in M terms.

Fwiw I think in terms of bbs as a sng player anyway.