£1/£2 Live 230bb turn spot

[Pinchop73]

Live £1/2, pretty late on in the game, now 6 handed.

Hero stack £460. Both villains cover.

Villain 1 is a bit of a donk, he's in a lot of pots pre. The only decent pot I've seen him win is when he has flatted Queens pre to a single raise, call called in pos to a check raise 3way on an Ahigh rainbow board, then barrelled off on a Q turn.

Villain 2 seems a very decent player. Certainly not looking to get into too many pots with him as he's literally the only one. Has run like Jesus christ, flopping a running flush vs the big stacks turned FH, many other large pots. Genuinely shows disappointment at not flopping at least top pair. A good player though, has taken correct lines and made correct bet sizes in every pot. 3b's frequently, has shown down K9s, AJo, 77's in 3b pots. I have 3b his flat pre from the sb once so far, original raiser called only for him to 4b big and show 79dd.

The hand in question.

Pre Villain 1 raises to £8 from MP. Villain 2 calls otb. Hero flats sb with  

Flop (pot £26)  

Hero bets £17. Villain 1 calls. Villain 2 raises £50. Hero calls. Villain 1 folds.

Turn (pot £143)  

Hero checks. Villain bets £77. Hero?

Considering my perceived range at this point, and my stack size, what line would you take here vs this particular villain and his range? ta

[Young_gun]

I raise to £155 here and pretty happy to get it in, possible he has 88 but he can have flush draws also other pairs 99-QQ

I dont play live cash really, have once but that would be my line.

Also i probably dont flat pre fwiw 3 bet or fold for me you are deep

[muckthenuts]

If he really is very good i would lead turn, reasons that we can get value from worse A's/pairs/draws while also freezing him and not allowing him to put us in tough spots on turn/river. It makes it easier for us to define the strength of our hand by keeping the lead which is critical vs good players, importantly there's just hardly any hands he can ever raise us with here if we lead.

[pleno1]

fold pre for sure.

[dwwg]

fold pre for sure.

+1


unless a Ten comes on the river, I think you are behind a good % of the time...

[Pinchop73]

Behind to what?

He 3b's 77+ and AJ+ pre?

Fold pre is easy enough to say technically, but how often do you actually fold in a game you feel you have a decent edge in? Really?

[muckthenuts]

Folding pre is what gives you that edge mate, ducy?

[cambridgealex]

I'd fold this pre most of the time

[pleno1]

Behind to what?

He 3b's 77+ and AJ+ pre?

Fold pre is easy enough to say technically, but how often do you actually fold in a game you feel you have a decent edge in? Really?

a very high %

[stato_1]

Behind to what?

He 3b's 77+ and AJ+ pre?

Fold pre is easy enough to say technically, but how often do you actually fold in a game you feel you have a decent edge in? Really?

If you're that confident he 3bets pre all these hands then stick it in his eye when he 4bets the 97s after flatting surely?

This is a slam-dunk fold pre, donki/calling the flop is going to get you in heaps of trouble as well

[SuuPRlim]

Fold pre is easy enough to say technically, but how often do you actually fold in a game you feel you have a decent edge in? Really?

pretty common mistake to make here, people think "I have an edge" no-one know a) what an edge is, or b) JUST HOW SMALL CASH GAME EDGES are so people now start playing bad, dominating hands OOP which I'm pretty sure is what the people we have an "edge" vs do, and the reason we think we have an edge on them.

[pleno1]

Also if ou think you have an edge but only ecause you read blonde and just think you think have an edge for no reason it's very very likely that you dot have an edge.

I'm not saying this is the case with pinchop who I think comes across as good.

[parker]

Also if ou think you have an edge but only ecause you read blonde and just think you think have an edge for no reason it's very very likely that you dot have an edge.

I'm not saying this is the case with pinchop who I think comes across as good.

the problem is its not an insne edge....

[Mcbucket91]

Definitely think that making it £160-170 is good here and then getting it in 100% of the time.