DEAL OR NO DEAL

[MLHMLH]

I think looking at flattening the payouts is a worthy idea.  In last weekend's deepstack (£560 buy in) the minimum payout was £750, which frankly is ridiculous.  It's simply not worth it.  IMHO the minimum payout should be around double the buy-in (excluding the fee) therefore in this case £1000.  If you think about the effort and time a player has to put in during the deepstack to then finish with a minimum cash, it's simply not worth your time.

I'm not suggesting the players enter a tournament with a minimum cash in mind and it doesn't really matter why you end up with a minimum cash (bad play, unlucky, too passive), whatever the reason the point is that some players WILL min cash and if you are looking at flattening the payouts, then this needs to be all the way down the payout structure.

[smokynuts]

flatterning all the price postions sounds best to me with NO DEALS

[George2Loose]

Flattening solves nothing. Deal mongers will still want to chop

[bobAlike]

Flattening the structure pah, you may as well buy some grey slacks and settle down to your life of mediocrity.

It may be greed or ambition, but whenever I play a tournament I play in the belief that I can take it down with my eyes well and truly focussed on that top prize. I'm not aiming to come second or third. By flattening the structure it's like saying I'll play but I don't expect to win.

Where's the fighting spirit??

[MLHMLH]

Flattening the structure pah, you may as well buy some grey slacks and settle down to your life of mediocrity.

It may be greed or ambition, but whenever I play a tournament I play in the belief that I can take it down with my eyes well and truly focussed on that top prize. I'm not aiming to come second or third. By flattening the structure it's like saying I'll play but I don't expect to win.

Where's the fighting spirit??

Just being realistic.  Only one person can win the tournament.

[Cf]

I do think payout structures should in general be flatter. People deal because of the huge jumps and not wanting to flip for it. Flatten it out and there'll still be deals, but less off them.

[robyong]

Very good debate this, enjoying reading the feedback.

Just be be clear, I define a "deal" as when the players agree and negotiate the details for each of them of the prize pool distribution, when we had 'no deals except chip count' I didn't consider players were dealing, it was just 2 different fixed payout options the players remaining had to choose from.

We have emailed out every single club member this evening to have their say, either on the Facebook vote Or the blonde vote.

I agree the details of this policy are important, as I beleive it will be copied, therefore have implications in other venues, so I'm no knee jerking here, I'm really making sure we get every bit of feedback possible.

What I can and will commit to now, is that players will not be 'deal making' ie negotiating a flexible payout structure between eachother, at DTD from 1st march. I also wouldn't expect 3 mates on our 15 comp to play till 6am either, and then chop it up anyway, it all about the rules that we put in place which I will make a final decision on when I feel I have enough information. I'm very pleased with the response so far, on Facebook and blondepoker.

Trust me, every comment on here and Facebook is being printed off and read and filed, whatever the final details are on the new policy, everyone will have contributed, but ultiimatley, I have to make a clear decision with Simon and whatever we do, it looks like we are going 50% are going to disagree, but more will disagree if we keep things the same, from both votes, that is crystal clear, as PLAYERS DECIDE BETWEEN EACHOTHER is not very popular so far.

As for this escrow argument, I firmly beleive when we guarantee the prize pool in our licensed venue and publish the rules, legally have a duty of care to our customers etc etc that argument doesn't hold water. As a player, I would personally have no problem abiding by the rules if the venue gte's the prize, but this in my personally opinion.

[FUN4FRASER]

Play it Out !

In the long run...The Better and most Ballsy Players will Win and they will deserve it !

Why Isnt that Fair ?

[smashedagain]

Fml . Whats with all the " let's flatten the payout" brigade. Rastafish beats 287 players and gets just shy of £90k, Rat Muscle beats 277 players and get £3.5k, that's life wp Rastafish ul gg Matt. Dtd has become so successful taking risks and aiming for the stars.  Please don't ever let flatten out the structure too drastically (although I agree with Tim that min cashes are pointless if they don't cover costs).

Also to those who think the prize money is theirs to do as they choose. Try getting your money back once the cards are in the air if you think it's yours.

[tikay]

Play it Out !

In the long run...The Better and most Ballsy Players will Win and they will deserve it !

Why Isnt that Fair ?

If that is "fair", why do almost all Tourneys end in business?

[tikay]

Flattening the structure pah, you may as well buy some grey slacks and settle down to your life of mediocrity.

It may be greed or ambition, but whenever I play a tournament I play in the belief that I can take it down with my eyes well and truly focussed on that top prize. I'm not aiming to come second or third. By flattening the structure it's like saying I'll play but I don't expect to win.

Where's the fighting spirit??

I don't know, but the facts suggest that far & away most Tourneys end in "business". Why do you think that is so?

Note, I'm really (personally) not fussed one iota what the decision is, honestly, I'm not. But we cannot ignore the historical facts. Nobody forces players to chop it up - but more often than not, they do.

[smashedagain]

Very good debate this, enjoying reading the feedback.

Just be be clear, I define a "deal" as when the players agree and negotiate the details for each of them of the prize pool distribution, when we had 'no deals except chip count' I didn't consider players were dealing, it was just 2 different fixed payout options the players remaining had to choose from.

We have emailed out every single club member this evening to have their say, either on the Facebook vote Or the blonde vote.

I agree the details of this policy are important, as I beleive it will be copied, therefore have implications in other venues, so I'm no knee jerking here, I'm really making sure we get every bit of feedback possible.

What I can and will commit to now, is that players will not be 'deal making' ie negotiating a flexible payout structure between eachother, at DTD from 1st march. I also wouldn't expect 3 mates on our 15 comp to play till 6am either, and then chop it up anyway, it all about the rules that we put in place which I will make a final decision on when I feel I have enough information. I'm very pleased with the response so far, on Facebook and blondepoker.

Trust me, every comment on here and Facebook is being printed off and read and filed, whatever the final details are on the new policy, everyone will have contributed, but ultiimatley, I have to make a clear decision with Simon and whatever we do, it looks like we are going 50% are going to disagree, but more will disagree if we keep things the same, from both votes, that is crystal clear, as PLAYERS DECIDE BETWEEN EACHOTHER is not very popular so far.

As for this escrow argument, I firmly beleive when we guarantee the prize pool in our licensed venue and publish the rules, legally have a duty of care to our customers etc etc that argument doesn't hold water. As a player, I would personally have no problem abiding by the rules if the venue gte's the prize, but this in my personally opinion.

Simon Trumper likes to walk round the house in high heels and a nighty

[FUN4FRASER]

Play it Out !

In the long run...The Better and most Ballsy Players will Win and they will deserve it !

Why Isnt that Fair ?

If that is "fair", why do almost all Tourneys end in business?

There can be a lot of reasons why there is business done Tony...However this doesnt detract from the fact by playing the tournament to a natural conclusion...You get a fair & more "pure" result

[action man]

i voted, deal (players decide) its a good skill being able to gauge how much you can get from the oppos. Always been this way in Poker and i dont see why it should change. I mean you can leave 2k up top but no-one will really care for it, and obv changes the whole dynamic. Also peoples games would improve if there was a no deal policy, and the games are hard enough as it is

[tikay]

Play it Out !

In the long run...The Better and most Ballsy Players will Win and they will deserve it !

Why Isnt that Fair ?

If that is "fair", why do almost all Tourneys end in business?

There can be a lot of reasons why there is business done Tony...However this doesnt detract from the fact by playing the tournament to a natural conclusion...You get a fair & more "pure" result

I could not agree with you more, Fraser. But you never answered my question, which was a serious one. Who are all these anonymous people that keep doing deals & chopping it up, & why? Answer that, & you have solved the problem.