KK hand

[Bazzaboy]

all-in

[ACE2M]

Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2006/10/17 - 15:46:41 (ET)
Table '33698253 8' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: GIN SAN (60883 in chips)
Seat 2: Flukewinner (118691 in chips)
Seat 3: Billwinall88 (55967 in chips)
Seat 4: MTLISTHEBEST (91505 in chips)
Seat 5: tommyk1 (31878 in chips)
Seat 6: hvilla37 (69200 in chips)
Seat 7: P-HW (101899 in chips)
Seat 8: sunshine26 (58924 in chips)
Seat 9: AbaFinnen (67376 in chips)
GIN SAN: posts the ante 150
Flukewinner: posts the ante 150
Billwinall88: posts the ante 150
MTLISTHEBEST: posts the ante 150
tommyk1: posts the ante 150
hvilla37: posts the ante 150
P-HW: posts the ante 150
sunshine26: posts the ante 150
AbaFinnen: posts the ante 150
Billwinall88: posts small blind 1500
MTLISTHEBEST: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tommyk1 [ ]
tommyk1: raises 6000 to 9000
hvilla37: calls 9000
P-HW: folds
sunshine26: calls 9000
AbaFinnen: folds
GIN SAN: folds
Flukewinner: folds
Billwinall88: folds
MTLISTHEBEST: calls 6000
*** FLOP *** [  ]
MTLISTHEBEST: checks
tommyk1: checks
hvilla37: checks
sunshine26: bets 6000
MTLISTHEBEST: folds
tommyk1: calls 6000
hvilla37: folds
*** TURN *** [  ] []
tommyk1: bets 16728 and is all-in
sunshine26: calls 16728
*** RIVER *** [  ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tommyk1: shows [ ] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
sunshine26: shows [ ] (two pair, Tens and Eights)
tommyk1 collected 84306 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 84306 | Rake 0
Board [  ]
Seat 1: GIN SAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Flukewinner (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Billwinall88 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: MTLISTHEBEST (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: tommyk1 showed [ ] and won (84306) with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 6: hvilla37 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: P-HW folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sunshine26 showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 9: AbaFinnen folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Thats how it played out.  His bet was so weak i thought he either didn't have it or might be pushed off it but i wanted to see the other guy go out first.  He dwelled for an age before calling.

[jezza777]

What do you think of the call with the 1010 Ace? It looks for all the world like you have a flush draw here and are pushing the turn on a semibluff because of the pot size v your stacksize . He can well afford the call to.

[boldie]

What do you think of the call with the 1010 Ace? It looks for all the world like you have a flush draw here and are pushing the turn on a semibluff because of the pot size v your stacksize . He can well afford the call to.

I don't get the guy's call to be honest. (Unless he's thinking well, I could always hit another ten and there's a lot in the pot, so I'll chase it)  Tommy raised pre flop and flat called the bet on the flop...that to me looks lieka a player with an Ace scared shitless of going of of the tourney because someone's on a flush draw.
As soon as the turn comes down and tommy pushes it you can not call the preflop raiser with nothing more then pocket tens...It doesn't matter that tommy didn't have the ace..you have to take him for a better hand then your tens IMO.

Like i said...I wouldn't have flat called but reraised him there...in this case that probably would have cost you 16k in chips as he would have folded...but all's well that ends well.

[ACE2M]

the flat call and push confused him into the call i think, although i absolutely would not have called.

If i was sat in his seat i would put me on AA or another high pair when i flat call, but why would i push the turn with any of these holdings, why wouldn't i want to check down a high pair or value bet/trap with a monster?

I took the opinion he was weak and put in the oddest bet i could think of, still could not have reasoned out a call in his position though.

I think the re raise on the flop is to dangerous with an unknown player left to act, once hes gone i felt pretty sure i had the best hand.

[jezza777]

I agree the flat call on the flop threw him, he expects to get a reraise from a hand that is beating 1010. The turn changes nothing and when you move in he is getting 5-1 for the call . I am not sure I pass tens here especially with plenty of chips. Still I am a fish.

[ACE2M]

I agree the flat call on the flop threw him, he expects to get a reraise from a hand that is beating 1010. The turn changes nothing and when you move in he is getting 5-1 for the call . I am not sure I pass tens here especially with plenty of chips. Still I am a fish.

5-1 but the only conceivable hand your beating is a flush draw and i just could not think thats what i am raising with in his position.

[action man]

am i too late to say re-raise on the flop?