Title: operant conditioning Post by: madasahatstand on May 19, 2006, 09:33:06 PM this theory is about positive rewards for certain behaviours. its a way to train and predict behaviour. take pablovs dogs. he fed them while ringing a bell and the dogs salivated at the sight of the food. after a while the dogs began to salivate when they heard the bell even when no food came because they associated the bell with food.
im wondering why we go back to poker even when we are losing? is it operant conditioning when we want that dopamine rush that a win brings? are we nothing but salivating dogs? lol... thoughts welcome mad Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: b4matt on May 19, 2006, 09:37:22 PM woof.pant pant pant...
Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: thetank on May 19, 2006, 10:06:58 PM Yeah, it's the way we're designed.
Prehistoric man would look under thousands of rocks before he'd find a family of tasty grubs. The dopadamine rush when you found your dinner contrasts to the dissapointment of lifting thousands of rocks and finding nothing. We've been trained by evolution to not worry too much about our losses, and continue a course of action that might bear fruit. One of the reasons why gambling is so addictive, you win sometimes. Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: madasahatstand on May 19, 2006, 10:10:54 PM nicely put tank
Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: Nem on May 19, 2006, 10:12:11 PM Yeah, it's the way we're designed. Prehistoric man would look under thousands of rocks before he'd find a family of tasty grubs. The dopadamine rush when you found your dinner contrasts to the dissapointment of lifting thousands of rocks and finding nothing. We've been trained by evolution to not worry too much about our losses, and continue a course of action that might bear fruit. One of the reasons why gambling is so addictive, you win sometimes. Very nicely put ;) Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: madasahatstand on May 19, 2006, 10:13:04 PM Yeah, it's the way we're designed. Prehistoric man would look under thousands of rocks before he'd find a family of tasty grubs. The dopadamine rush when you found your dinner contrasts to the dissapointment of lifting thousands of rocks and finding nothing. We've been trained by evolution to not worry too much about our losses, and continue a course of action that might bear fruit. One of the reasons why gambling is so addictive, you win sometimes. Very nicely put ;) great minds think alike Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: Sark79 on May 19, 2006, 10:39:40 PM Good post Mad. I agree with what Tank says :D
Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: lynx5.0 on May 19, 2006, 10:49:35 PM We've been trained by evolution to not worry too much about our losses,
[/quote] so where dose tilt come from ? Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: tikay on May 19, 2006, 11:46:22 PM We've been trained by evolution to not worry too much about our losses, so where dose tilt come from ? [/quote] Children. Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: Nem on May 20, 2006, 12:17:31 AM Tilt is just short term disappointment, like when the man looks under the rock and doesn't find a grub. The man knows that there will be a grub eventually, so he doesn't like the short term disappointment effect him. Just like Tilt, you shouldn't let the short term bad luck effect you, because we all know that if we keep on playing our A-game, we will find the grub.
Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: ifm on May 20, 2006, 12:28:09 AM Though the analogy doesn't fit properly, you don't risk grubs to gain more.
Poker is the greed thing IMO, you want more of what you have and are prepared to risk some to gain some, that's the rush, risk v reward. Same as fruit machines, you win £3 from a £1 investment but greed drives you to carry on overriding common sense. Though i rarely know what i'm talking about. Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: bobby1 on May 20, 2006, 12:52:28 AM All I know is there are some great topics of conversation on the forum at the mo and I have almost no clue about any of them, Take this thread, I thought it was going to be about some disease that you get at the opera. :D
Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: thetank on May 20, 2006, 01:24:20 AM It's not so much an anology but why we do things the way we do. The reasons our brains are wired the way they are. As a species, we're pre-disposed to being suckered in by gambling.
If our ancestors had to pay a grub, our minds would understand the risk more, we wouldn't be such big gamblers. O the Risk vs Reward see-saw, we don't care too much about the risk, and focus on the reward. Overly symplified and purely a hypothesis of course. Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: AdamM on May 20, 2006, 01:35:31 AM "It can be argued that man's instinct to gamble is the only reason he is still not a monkey up in the trees." -Mario Puzo
Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: bhoywonder on May 20, 2006, 01:41:00 AM hardwired
so the fight or flight instinct can be explained in a poker sense too..this is a basic form of human survival can i beat the crap outta this sabre toothed tiger with my club ( dominated in the poker world about 10 % to win pre 1st club hit ) or run like hell up the nearest tree ( folding to a massive raise with ur 55 utg 4 times BB raise ) im up that tree every time Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: ifm on May 20, 2006, 01:41:45 AM The urge to gamble is so universal and its practice is so pleasurable, that I assume it must be evil. ~Heywood Broun
Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: Trace on May 20, 2006, 09:07:22 AM All I know is there are some great topics of conversation on the forum at the mo and I have almost no clue about any of them, Take this thread, I thought it was going to be about some disease that you get at the opera. :D Me and you both Bobby! Title: Re: operant conditioning Post by: Dewi_cool on May 20, 2006, 09:25:49 AM Though the analogy doesn't fit properly, you don't risk grubs to gain more. Poker is the greed thing IMO, you want more of what you have and are prepared to risk some to gain some, that's the rush, risk v reward. Same as fruit machines, you win £3 from a £1 investment but greed drives you to carry on overriding common sense. Though i rarely know what i'm talking about. ;iagree; rotflmfao |