operant conditioning

[madasahatstand]

this theory is about positive rewards for certain behaviours. its a way to train and predict behaviour. take pablovs dogs. he fed them while ringing a bell and the dogs salivated at the sight of the food. after a while the dogs began to salivate when they heard the bell even when no food came because they associated the bell with food.
im wondering why we go back to poker even when we are losing? is it operant conditioning when we want that dopamine rush that a win brings? are we nothing but salivating dogs?

lol... thoughts welcome

mad

[b4matt]

woof.pant pant pant...

[thetank]

Yeah, it's the way we're designed.

Prehistoric man would look under thousands of rocks before he'd find a family of tasty grubs. The dopadamine rush when you found your dinner contrasts to the dissapointment of lifting thousands of rocks and finding nothing.

We've been trained by evolution to not worry too much about our losses, and continue a course of action that might bear fruit. One of the reasons why gambling is so addictive, you win sometimes.

[madasahatstand]

nicely put tank

[Nem]

Yeah, it's the way we're designed.

Prehistoric man would look under thousands of rocks before he'd find a family of tasty grubs. The dopadamine rush when you found your dinner contrasts to the dissapointment of lifting thousands of rocks and finding nothing.

We've been trained by evolution to not worry too much about our losses, and continue a course of action that might bear fruit. One of the reasons why gambling is so addictive, you win sometimes.

Very nicely put

[madasahatstand]

Yeah, it's the way we're designed.

Prehistoric man would look under thousands of rocks before he'd find a family of tasty grubs. The dopadamine rush when you found your dinner contrasts to the dissapointment of lifting thousands of rocks and finding nothing.

We've been trained by evolution to not worry too much about our losses, and continue a course of action that might bear fruit. One of the reasons why gambling is so addictive, you win sometimes.

Very nicely put

great minds think alike

[Sark79]

Good post Mad.  I agree with what Tank says 

[lynx5.0]

We've been trained by evolution to not worry too much about our losses,
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so where dose tilt come from ?

[tikay]

We've been trained by evolution to not worry too much about our losses,

so where dose tilt come from ?
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Children.

[Nem]

Tilt is just short term disappointment, like when the man looks under the rock and doesn't find a grub. The man knows that there will be a grub eventually, so he doesn't like the short term disappointment effect him. Just like Tilt, you shouldn't let the short term bad luck effect you, because we all know that if we keep on playing our A-game, we will find the grub.

[ifm]

Though the analogy doesn't fit properly, you don't risk grubs to gain more.
Poker is the greed thing IMO, you want more of what you have and are prepared to risk some to gain some, that's the rush, risk v reward.
Same as fruit machines, you win £3 from a £1 investment but greed drives you to carry on overriding common sense.
Though i rarely know what i'm talking about.

[bobby1]

All I know is there are some great topics of conversation on the forum at the mo and I have almost no clue about any of them, Take this thread, I thought it was going to be about some disease that you get at the opera.

[thetank]

It's not so much an anology but why we do things the way we do. The reasons our brains are wired the way they are. As a species, we're pre-disposed to being suckered in by gambling.

If our ancestors had to pay a grub, our minds would understand the risk more, we wouldn't be such big gamblers.

O the Risk vs Reward see-saw, we don't care too much about the risk, and focus on the reward.

Overly symplified and purely a hypothesis of course.

[AdamM]

"It can be argued that man's instinct to gamble is the only reason he is still not a monkey up in the trees." -Mario Puzo

[bhoywonder]

hardwired


so the fight or flight instinct can be explained in a poker sense too..this is a basic form of human survival

can i beat the crap outta this sabre toothed tiger with my club   ( dominated in the poker world  about 10 % to win pre 1st club hit )

or run like hell up the nearest tree ( folding to a massive raise with ur 55 utg 4  times BB raise )


im up that tree every time