Title: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on June 20, 2006, 08:25:35 AM First hand of a $50 + $5 sit n go on Tribecca
Everyone has exactly 2,000 chips Teenageriot is the dealer. BRClements posted small blind. Mr. Buck posted big blind. Game [1] started with 9 players. [Jun 19 03:38:03] : Dealing Hole Cards. Seat 1 : BlondeTank has Ad Aspades g671980 called 40 and raised 80 BlondeTank called 120 and raised 320 fld424 folded. cortg70 folded. sturges10 folded. gigafish folded. Teenageriot folded. BRClements folded. Mr. Buck folded. g671980 called 320 Dealing flop. Board cards [3c 9c 3h] g671980 bet 40 So there's 940 in the pot and he's just bet 40 into me. How does one proceed from here? P.S. If anyone's wondering why all my threads on the hand analysis board seem to involve AA, it's because that's the only hand I ever play. :D Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: Horneris on June 20, 2006, 09:14:21 AM hmm. This type of bet can sometimes be described as a "please don't raise me bet" or more commonly a "blocker bet". He wants you to be confused and just call so he can see the next card, which may help him.
I think that with so much already in the pot and a not dangerous but not entirely safe board you should raise to about 300 to see if he really means business. Put it this way, you're not going to fold and you shouldnt be afraid of him having a 3, as he called your pre flop raise and he also wouldn't have raised 40. I think if you re raise a real amount, with the post size in context, he folds. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: Dewi_cool on June 20, 2006, 12:05:33 PM why not feign weakness by going all in, never know
Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: ifm on June 20, 2006, 12:12:20 PM why not feign weakness by going all in, never know Because you are likely to be behind if called. I tend to bet rediculously low when i have monster hands. Reraise to see if he likes his hand is my line. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: tikay on June 20, 2006, 12:18:36 PM You are reading too much into his Bet of 40. He almost certanily mis-clicked - it's easy to do on Tribeca. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: Dewi_cool on June 20, 2006, 12:18:51 PM surely though the only hand he's likely to be ahead with here is 99, and if he has hit the FH he would have checked with a view to re raise, I still think Tank is ahead and go all in hoping hes got top pair.
Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: this.life.my.cage on June 20, 2006, 12:28:55 PM you see this bet on ladbrokes all the time. he probably has AK or something like that. I would raise to around 250 - 350 here..
Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on June 20, 2006, 12:30:00 PM Owing to his raise UTG and calling a re-raise, I really didn't think a 3 was likely.
The only hand I thought that could possibly beat me was 9's full. All I was concerned about was how to get all the chips in the pot. His most likely holdings were highish pocket pairs I thought. A club or overcard to his pair landing on a future street might have inhibited my chance of getting all the chips in. In the first hand in a sit n go, players can be a little looser than normal. So I went with Dewi's idea, all-in to look like I was buying the pot. What better way to follow a scanty mini-bet than with a scanty over-bet. :D I probably wouldn't have were it not the very first hand. I got my call, surprisingly quickly. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: bolt pp on June 20, 2006, 12:30:57 PM When i play touneys its usually at the £10 level(unless i'm slaughtered then its £100+)
These players make these under bets all the time after pre flop action, i genuinly believe that they think thier going to take down a pot of 480 for example with a minimum bet of 30 or something, and i see it sometimes work!!! Its just a continuation of their overall weak play. Its the auto buttons that compell them to make these ludicrous underbets against the initial raiser. It gets on my nerves when i'm drawing after the flop and they make a minimum bet against the raiser when everyone on the table can see that the raiser has bet every flop he's raised pre flop, it makes it more expensive on therfore not viable to call because the re raise is larger, and of course the idiot instantly folds to the re raise. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: Royal Flush on June 20, 2006, 12:34:49 PM Ah gotta love tribeca!
The all in is ok, i am guessing he has 44? Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on June 20, 2006, 12:36:19 PM Even more surprised when I saw his hand.
Ks 7s That's spades, not clubs. This chap needs runner runner trips and has just called for more than 3/4 of his stack! Turn 7 River K My two pairs Aces and Treys won the pot. I'll fess up that there was a brief moment when I thought I'd been bad burgled. :D Anyway, I hope he feels he got his $55 dollars worth. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on June 20, 2006, 12:38:07 PM Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: Canuck on June 27, 2006, 08:34:47 AM Even more surprised when I saw his hand. Ks 7s That's spades, not clubs. This chap needs runner runner trips and has just called for more than 3/4 of his stack! Turn 7 River K My two pairs Aces and Treys won the pot. I'll fess up that there was a brief moment when I thought I'd been bad burgled. :D Anyway, I hope he feels he got his $55 dollars worth. Why am I batting my brains out on pokerstars at the 10 sit n go, when people like this are playing 55 dollar on another site? And the guy with the K7 is terrible too :D Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on June 27, 2006, 10:28:37 AM ;applause; ;applause; ;applause; Very good Canuck
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Checkmate.jpg/350px-Checkmate.jpg) :tikay: Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: clayftknight on June 27, 2006, 11:26:20 AM Before I got to the bit you said his cards I guessed he had AQ of clubs.
Am I glad you said he had K7 of spades before I made an idiot of myself and posted that he had AQ of clubs! Wow, I nearly came across as a complete nutter! Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: clayftknight on June 27, 2006, 11:28:30 AM btw tank, was it a speed or turbo?
That kind of stupid all in on hand one stuff happens often in those. If you are lucky enough to be dealt AK or something first level, you move in someone will call most of the time and it will often be a weaker ace, great stuff. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on June 27, 2006, 11:47:52 AM Normal Tribecca tournament, 8 minute blinds, 2,000 chips.
20/40 30/60 50/100 100/200 150/300 200/400 I really don't like popping my stack in with AK pre-flop in the first few levels. The muppets might call with AJ, but they can also call with 22. I think the key is to let others do the early gambling in these things. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: clayftknight on June 27, 2006, 03:45:02 PM The turbos take 20 mins max and your profit margin is being one of the 3 or 4 that understand how quick the blinds move. If you are called by AJ one time and 22 the other time this is perfect. This style of play and the way you know how to play the bubble...especially when you have chips.........your ROI will be way above the 8% you were hitting at Stars. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on June 27, 2006, 03:49:11 PM Not sold.
It's all very well that they take 20 minutes, but they take an hour to fill. Certainly not sold with moving in with AK lvls 1 and 2. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: clayftknight on June 27, 2006, 06:14:06 PM Does how long you have to wait to play affect what is the right move?
Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on June 27, 2006, 06:26:23 PM Not sure I understand the question.
Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: clayftknight on June 27, 2006, 08:43:32 PM You said they take an hour to fill. Why does this affec t your decisions? Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on June 27, 2006, 09:16:30 PM Ahhh, I see.
The facetiousness of the question threw me. Sure some structures of tournaments, moving with AK early might be a good move for me. I don't play those at the moment though. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: clayftknight on June 27, 2006, 11:00:40 PM I'm certainly not suggesting the move in the normal sit n gos :)
good luck, I'm sure I'll see you at the tables at some point. Are you still playing through the night? Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on June 27, 2006, 11:06:03 PM Not really, games seem soft on Tribecca 24/7. So I'm sleeping almost normally now, and even enjoying the odd bit of sunshine.
The traffic is biggest in the evening, so thats when I get most of it. Except today, when I'm struggling to write an article instead. :( Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: lazaroonie on June 28, 2006, 12:06:41 AM question
- how can I add a note about this total headcase on tribeca, without actually seeing him at a table. - wtf is with the eyepatch ? Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on June 28, 2006, 12:09:55 AM Avast Laz, or you'll be walking the plank. Arrrrrr.
Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: Ginger on June 28, 2006, 09:23:28 AM question - how can I add a note about this total headcase on tribeca, without actually seeing him at a table. - wtf is with the eyepatch ? As long as you know the players correct ID, go to Options > Player notes, enter their ID in the "create a custom note" box and hit "add note", then in the large window add the details you want to add to this ID. PS, love the eyepatch Tank :D Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: happybhoy on June 28, 2006, 10:09:31 PM Avast Laz, or you'll be walking the plank. Arrrrrr. I think you need one of these (http://newsdesigner.com/blog/images/pirate.jpg) Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: Nem on June 28, 2006, 11:18:58 PM Wow, I nearly came across as a complete nutter! ::) Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: clayftknight on June 29, 2006, 08:41:58 PM :)
Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: Horneris on August 10, 2009, 07:43:35 AM hmm. This type of bet can sometimes be described as a "please don't raise me bet" or more commonly a "blocker bet". He wants you to be confused and just call so he can see the next card, which may help him. ORLY I think that with so much already in the pot and a not dangerous but not entirely safe board you should raise to about 300 to see if he really means business. DOES HE RLY MEAN BUZNESS? Put it this way, you're not going to fold and you shouldnt be afraid of him having a 3, as he called your pre flop raise and he also wouldn't have raised 40. AHHHH ORLY I think if you re raise a real amount, with the post size in context, he folds. ZOMG, WE HOPE HE FOLDS! i was incred 3 yrs ago. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: boldie on August 10, 2009, 09:45:12 AM hmm. This type of bet can sometimes be described as a "please don't raise me bet" or more commonly a "blocker bet". He wants you to be confused and just call so he can see the next card, which may help him. ORLY I think that with so much already in the pot and a not dangerous but not entirely safe board you should raise to about 300 to see if he really means business. DOES HE RLY MEAN BUZNESS? Put it this way, you're not going to fold and you shouldnt be afraid of him having a 3, as he called your pre flop raise and he also wouldn't have raised 40. AHHHH ORLY I think if you re raise a real amount, with the post size in context, he folds. ZOMG, WE HOPE HE FOLDS! i was incred 3 yrs ago. At least you have great hair. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: GreekStein on August 10, 2009, 10:02:47 AM At least you have great hair. Yeah it's so incred beyond belief!! Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: Longy on August 10, 2009, 01:59:46 PM hmm. This type of bet can sometimes be described as a "please don't raise me bet" or more commonly a "blocker bet". He wants you to be confused and just call so he can see the next card, which may help him. ORLY I think that with so much already in the pot and a not dangerous but not entirely safe board you should raise to about 300 to see if he really means business. DOES HE RLY MEAN BUZNESS? Put it this way, you're not going to fold and you shouldnt be afraid of him having a 3, as he called your pre flop raise and he also wouldn't have raised 40. AHHHH ORLY I think if you re raise a real amount, with the post size in context, he folds. ZOMG, WE HOPE HE FOLDS! i was incred 3 yrs ago. Oh well at least it was better than IFM's we only get a caller when we are behind, lol 2006. Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: The Camel on August 10, 2009, 02:03:45 PM hmm. This type of bet can sometimes be described as a "please don't raise me bet" or more commonly a "blocker bet". He wants you to be confused and just call so he can see the next card, which may help him. ORLY I think that with so much already in the pot and a not dangerous but not entirely safe board you should raise to about 300 to see if he really means business. DOES HE RLY MEAN BUZNESS? Put it this way, you're not going to fold and you shouldnt be afraid of him having a 3, as he called your pre flop raise and he also wouldn't have raised 40. AHHHH ORLY I think if you re raise a real amount, with the post size in context, he folds. ZOMG, WE HOPE HE FOLDS! i was incred 3 yrs ago. LOL @ "not entirely safe board" What did tank want to see on the flop? Bridge Score Card and 2 jokers? Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: thetank on August 10, 2009, 02:10:44 PM Why the hell did I put this on the hand analysis board anyway?
Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: bolt pp on August 10, 2009, 11:28:41 PM [ ] at least my spelling's improved
Title: Re: Trying to steal the initiative with a mini flop bet. Post by: LuckyLloyd on August 12, 2009, 12:46:38 AM WHY ARE YOU ALL LAUGHING!!??
Imagine how much money you'd make now if the games were still like they were in early 2006 Tribecca. :'( |