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I hope Williams wins it. Last time, I hated all the head grinding and butting Skelton was doing. Hopefully it will go with Williams again

yeah looking forward to this,  Williams on points again for me,  What you say Sark?

Yea mate, I go for a points finnish as well.  It was really tight last time.  I think this one will be really close as well.  Williams is the heaviest he has ever been for a fight tonight ( over 20 stonne ) , hopefully it won't make him too slow.

The winner is supposed to be getting set up for a World title fight with the 7ft 1 in  Russian champ Valuev.

Williams seems like a decent bloke as well.  He comes across as a nice fella in his interviews, I hope he does well

i like williams here, ive heard skeltons out of shape, should be a good fight though.

p.s is it alright for me to post on one of your threads sark? ;ifm; ;D ;D ;goodvevil;

you and me should have a boxing match 8) 8) i dont like my chances though!!!

lol  Of course Bolt.   We have had disagreements about topics, but that is part of being a member of a forum.  It is healthy to have different opinions about things. It keeps life interesting  :D

Nah, not into taking part in boxing mate,  I prefer watching.  It's best to pay for a TV licence rather than a boxing club membership  :D.  The Lazy and cowardly option.  I let others do it for me

Yea, I have heard that he is out of shape as well.  I read it on a boxing forum recently

No hard feelings Bolt  :)

Williams is pathetic!!

awfull fight.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Williams was pathetic but something went wrong.

undoubtedly skelton fought the better tactical fight.

I noticed everytime Williams went in to punch, he dropped he's head down so as to protect his chin, but he ducks his head so fardown he cant see where hes punching.

from early on skelton put Williams in his pocket and eased to victory.

that being said skelton was nothing special tonight.

neither of these guys could challenge for a decent world title.

 ;iagree;

Thankfully some justice for Skelton, he won the first fight but was robbed by some dodgy judging.
He out thought Williams and out fought him too, well done.

I just don't get Danny Williams, he just doesn't seem to turn up some nights and he looks really vacant. My girlfriend said he looked really stoned so maybe that was it.

What about Amir Khan? I think he's clearly got a lot of talent but i hope they train him to pull his chin in a bit or he's going to get knocked out ealry doors by the first quality fighter he faces.

Danny Williams has never been more than a journey man who fought somehow managed to secure two big pay days. He is now taking on fights for a little bit of extra cash to secure his future.... over 20! That is way too big.

Khan's speed is unreal and people just can't catch him - the great thing about the weight he fights as is that even if he does get caught by one its not going to knock him out.

Matt Skelton is a cracking fighter (as opposed to boxer). I'd have loved to have seen him Thai Boxing. most of his 'dirty' tactics are unintentional ingrained habits from his martial arts background. when he clinches he can't help hold the back of the head. Danny should be grateful Matt supresses the urge to bring his knee up or slice with the elbow otherwise he'd be unconscious in the first round. The throws through the ropes or to the ground are also legitimate K1 tactics. I doubt he'll hold a world title but he deserves his shot and he's got bottomless bottle.

Danny Williams is frustrating because when he fights to his potential he is top class but sometimes he looks very ordinary.

I touched on this in previous boxing threads. there was 2 stone difference between them but Skelton easily beat Williams. however when there's half a stone difference between welterweight / light welterweight fighters commentators and fans talk as if it's a huge factor. I'm 11st and most of my regular sparing partners are between 14st and 20st.  Obviously in martial arts we're training for situations where you can't pick the size of your opponent but a couple of pounds either make no difference in the outcome of a fight inside or outside the ring. same goes for a couple of inches in height.

Anyone else think the ref was too hasty in the Khan fight?

Without a doubt!!  Sure he got caught a couple of times (the knock downs were dubious)

But surely boxing is about getting smacked in the head?  It was hardly an onslaught!! Wish they'd let these guys fight it out

Agreed, i can understand it when someone is obviously outclassed or offering no defense but this wasn't the case (at the time anyway).
The ref gave the guy a standing count when he tripped over Khan's foot and stopped it when he stumbled (i know Khan caught him but not that well) and jumped straight back up.

The fella did look like he was gonna soil his pants any minute though didnt he :D

Nope, the guys legs had gone.

As for the Williams fight, as soon as I heard he was >20stone I backed Skelton, didn't see the fight(set video but poxy thing didnt work) but going by what I have read Williams was too big and slow and Skelton outworked him.  Williams biggest problem throughout his career is his laziness, both inside and outside the ring, he is one fight away from a world title shot and he can't even be bothered getting himself into shape, that says it all.  Skelton is very limited but deserves all the success he gets due to his attitude.

apparently the shape williams was in was intentional. he rocked Skelton in the last round of the 1st fight so decided best thing to do was bulk up and knock him out. this is the other absurd boxing myth. "by increasing your body weight 2st you increase the power of your punch." a properly delivered punch is much more about hip and shoulder movement than body mass and the muscles most important for knock out power are the forearm muscles. your shoulders biceps and pecs can be as big as you like, they barely contribute to punch power at all.

I enjoyed watching Skelton work on saturday because he never threw a fully weighted punch all night. everything was for the score card and he conditioned himself to pepper williams for 12 rounds. Williams put his whole fight plan on landing a sweet punch on a faster, fitter, more intellegent fighter.

on a side note I thought the commentary was brilliant. Ian Darke on sky knows his boxing facts and figures like Motson knows his football but listening to him it's obvious he's never stepped through the ropes himself. He talks utter rubbish most of the time and drives me  >:?

I didnt watch the fight last night, but to be honest, I would rather watch my Nan box her mate Doris at their Tuesday Bingo night!

Missed this thread, should of let you known Danny was coming in like a whale, odds were always in Skeltons favour. Disagree that the commentary was brilliant, it was quite terrible actually, especially Rawling! Danny thought the extra weight would keep him in fight & bulk up his power, but power comes from great technique, and more so from the thighs than forearms. Both fighters weren't that great were they, I feel bad that these are our best HW's. Hope Gammer can improve.

I think I mean the commentary was brilliant compared to Ian darkes as I can't stand the bloke. perhaps it wasn't actually brilliant in its own right.

I Enjoy Skeltons fights but I obviously don't think he's world chaamp material.

who's the other British heavyweight floating about the division thats quite good?(not Harrison) he's fought skelton and Williams i think and i cant, for the life of me, remember the guys name.

Julius Francis?

rotflmfao

no he doesnt fight anymore, some crazy lunatic fella went to his house and sorted him out, i hear he's so scared of this guy that he wont even come out of his house anymore 8) ;D

SPROTT, it just came to me, whetever happend to him?

Herbie Hide and Henry Akinwande had short careers when they were around. What happened to them?

Julius Francis does still fight, he has lost the last 14 on the trot :o

Julius 'the Joke' Francis (http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=005757)

Michael Sprott (http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=014800)

Henry Akinwade (http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=2011)

Herbie Hide (http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=2039)

i remember a couple of years ago herbie hide made a comeback.

he ruined his first jouneyman opponent.

when questioned on if he was going to take on danny williams for the brittish title he mugged him right off saying that he is a sparring partner to him and he doesnt want to fight people that he used to pay £50 a day to, to help him train when he was world champion, he said hes going to regain hes world title again.

anyway next fight is against another jouneyman fighter, as i'm sitting down to watch it the commentator says: dont go and make a cup of tea or you'll miss this one(it was a replay) i thought herbie hides gatting back to a bit of form.

WRONG!!!! this journeyman foghter knocked him down THREE times in the first round and that was the end of him!!

Herbie Hide could have been a very good fighter had he not had the worst chin in history.

Yeh Herbie had great raw power, I remember seeing his last fight that got stopped on cuts, he was crying like a little girl bless him, always liked him myself. Also Sprott isnt doing too bad either, he recently got robbed fighting abroad for some abc inter title and he;s fighting an unbeaten eastern/european tomorrow who has some good wins.

can i catch that anywhere on the t.v?

I don't think ITV or Sky are picking it up, it's not been mentioned much I think he may of been a late replacement as I only found out myself yesterday. It's in Germany too so it will most likely been on ARD or ZDE? streamtvnow.tv will be streaming it live :)

For anyone interested, Sprott got stopped in 8th & Castillejo pulled off a big upset against Sturm.

Vargas Vs Mosley   


I go for Mosley late on

I go for Vargas he looks good and was unlucky to be stopped the last time!

I'm going for Mosley too, had first fight 5-3-1 Mosley going into 10th. Theres been a big fuss about Vargas's camp wanting to use Gatorade, which by brand new Nevade rules, issued few days ago, is OK. Mosley camp won the case prohibiting Vargas from using it which may have been thrown off his game a little, and he's trained with it for last few months. I took Mosley at -160, Vargas is currently at 3/1.

Has been v never was

Not overly excited by this but seeing as i'm still up i'll watch it.  Moseley will probably still just have a bit too much class for Vargas.

what time does it kick off cos if its not in the next 1/2 hour i'm going to bed!!

this is how i spend my saturday nights, being a good little boy and not going out anywhere 8) 8)

I'm gonna make so much noise when i go to bed, and knock all sorts of crap over ;D

Wins over Quartey, Wright, a war with Oscar and Trinidad, and you call him a "never was" you joker. Mosley's best is behind him no doubt, but he's still got what it takes to compete at top level, even a fight with Mayweather is possible which would still be a pickem at 154.

OK I'm biased as I don't like either of them  8).

sweet punch

not as sweet as the Ponce De Leon punch. "say goodnight gracie"  ;sleep;

that lightweight Diaz fella looked pretty good too. much more entertaining than the top of the bill fight

didnt rate either light welterweights. that Rock Allen could be an easy defence for Ricky Hatton in about 5 years time when he's retired all the other welterweights and unified the division  ;)

 :D

Mosley is all class, maybe an ATG.

I was suitably unimpressed although it was a nice finish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBUUuRuVd5g

Most devastating KO of the year. Check out Nady still counting when he's flat on his face, asleep.

ouch