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I am not sure what invention has benefited the world the most.  However one that would be high up on my list would be the  WISDOM  "easy floss DAILY FLOSSER".  Until yesterday I had never seen one of these things.  I had always used the traditional dental floss.  While at my dentists appointment yesterday, I mentioned to my hygienist that reaching the back teeth with dental floss was an incredibly difficult task as I had a sore jaw after being punched recently.

She presented me with a short stick with a piece on dental floss attached to the end.  As soon as I got home I rushed to the mirror to try my new toy.  Wow, it is fantastic.  I liked it so much, I went to boots today and bought a pack of 15.  It basically allows you to reach the difficult areas in your mouth with ease.  It has a long handle and also has a pick bit contained in the handle.  What a fantastic invention.


If you rush quickly and get yourself down to boots, they are doing a special offer of two packs for £2.29. 

I recommend it. 

Back to the greatest invention ever. It may be one of these :  alarm clocks, batteries, phone, wheel, vaccines, light bulbs or the computer.  But I will vote for the DAILY FLOSSER.

Tunnocks caramel wafers......no argument

Sark works as a marketing geezer for boots lol?

The Internet.

This is something no two people will ever agree on.  But after giving it five mintues of thinking I came up with lists, lightbulb, internet, computers, telephones, televisions, etc.  But the thing that all these things are dependant on electricity.  So I'm going to give that my vote.

Although thinking about this I kept saying to myself whats the greatest invention of all time and then it hit me.....TIME.  Where would we be without the clock and the calander.  So maybe the greatest invention of all time is time.

Sliced bread!

Time isn't an invention, just like gravity isn't an invention.

Methods to tell the time have been invented, but the passage of time is one of those things that our universe relys upon in order for life to be sustained.

It tastes the same as a loaf of bread  :D

The 4-4-2

Ok then, the calander and the clock

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But slicing it yerself is awfully messy and I never slice straight!

It ends up thick at one end and thin at the other  -  bit like me really!

bread sticks.

lovely snack

Of course time is an invention... we chose for there to be 24 hours in a day 60 minutes in an hour. Our definition of the passing of "time" (for want of a better word) is our own making... the linear manner of it isn't, however. Our understanding of linear time is our own invention, we probably have little understanding of the true manner of passing of linear "time".

Gosh that's a bit heavy for this time of night innit?

Clocks do keep everything in order.  Alarm clocks keep us on time, although they are those annoying things that send a piercing beep into your head at 6am every morning.  One day I will mentally program my mind to wake my body up without the need for an alarm clock.  When that happens there will be calm in my life.

Time isn't an invention, its always been there. Ratehr, its a discovery :D We invented ways to tell the passage of time, yup.

So, telling the time is an "invention"... but I'd argue that to be a discovery as well. 24 hours in a day, well, we all know that to be the passage of time it takes for the earth to revolve 1 cycle. And 60 minutes in an hour, well, I'm not quite sure how we got there but it follows a scientific theory.

Gravity wasn't invented. An apple didnt land on Newtons head and he decided "ooh, that apple landed on my head! Therefore I am deciding that gravity is 9.8 whatevers". He worked out through theory and discovery that the strength of the force pulling the apple to the earth follows a formula. Just like the person creating the calendar and the timepiece.

HEAVY indeed lol (puns galore)

How about the gregorian calander, do you think that is an invention or not?

Electricity may be making our lives more convienent, but is it not speeding up the destruction of the planet? In the grand scheme of things, does that make it a great invention?

Calenders, pfft. The Sun rises, it's time to hunt and stuff. The sun sets, it's time to kick back. Get more wood when the days get shorter, sit down more when the days get longer.

Not convinvced.

Liberty, equality, and democracy are great ideas. Now if only we could make them work.

Does hunting for raspberries, nuts and seeds count?   

Acid House music

I was talking about hunting for poon-tang.  8)

Bring us back some seeds though.  :)up

Check out the pumpkin seeds from Holland and Barratt.  They are doing a special right now,  two big bags for the price of one.  If you aren't keen on them, the sunflower seeds are really tasty. Sprinkle a mix of each over some muesli.  Can you think of a tastier snack... yum yum

Dont you sleep when the sun is up anymore tank?

Sark, you are gonna pi$$ yourself. I have raved on about those things for a few years now, they are brill. I remember a party at my house, where at least 10 people were all using them, the living room was in a kind of silence as they are addictive and make you floss for ages. Now most of those still talk about how good they are to this day.

I have however moved on from these now as they have an electric one now THE HUMMINGBIRD, its the same shape etc, but vibrates. Dentist got me hook line and sinker. Do you floss at all Lee, yes, oh well have you seen these new things, oh no wow, ill have 2. Cant refuse a gadget.


http://www.oralb.com/products/product.asp?tid=products&sub=onthego&cid=onthego&pid=hbird (http://www.oralb.com/products/product.asp?tid=products&sub=onthego&cid=onthego&pid=hbird)

Wow Lee,  I want one of those  :D .   Are they alot better than the hand one?

Oh yeah of course they have an engine and everything

Definately seperated at birth.

Its effing spooky i tell ya, i think i found my soul mate, its only took 33 years ffs.

Im scared to ask when his birthday is

I have something similar in many ways to the hummingbird.  It too is a marvellous invention :)up

Claws been drinking again ;goodvevil;

Sark and Lee, whens the date?

I am going to buy one of those things soon. 

mikky you're a nice guy, but really dude you are too old for me. Try Sark.

haha - I am stone cold sober!!

You must, we can be flossing buddies too!!

Thats the reason then

 :D

Long, Thin, Vibrates?

Sark, how old r u, whens your birthday and list some jobs youve done

Pinball machine on multiball? - good shout

www.leewantsadatewithsark.com

hahaha :D

no it's not thin

mikky@wantsapieceofleeandsark.org

Hey, leave me out of this one!

DD Claw? battery size that is

Sark is a Capricorn - 30th December

blimey, no - not that thick!!!!!

Cool im Aries, 31st March, don't spend too much claw when it comes round.
Day off April fool ||||||| im not so sure

I am 26.  I worked in poorly paid jobs a monkey could do ( sorry matt ) until recently.  December


I forgot to mention the RADIO as a great invention.   It has been responsible for changing many people life's for the better 

actually it doesn't take batteries - has it's own charger.  I am talking, of course, about my ultrasonic toothbrush  0:-)

Hows about Wifi, can have a crap and still play poker?

how about the toilet then?

Yeah right....

I thought u was referring to the new gillete sensor thingys with the batteries in em

My family don't even know that.  For the 26 years on the 31st of December I get a card.  I had to check my birth cert this year just to make sure I had the correct date.

I forgot to mention, a doctor removed a lump the size of a grape off my head today, so doctors and medicine deserve a vote

funny you should say that - I bought one of those the other day coz it was half price - didn't much care for it to be honest - had to turn the vibrating off to avoid nicking me pits

what was it Lee?

Sark, im gonna have a page on my website on articles and things a little diff from the norm (bit like you and me), if you fancy writing for it, let me know!

sounds painful

and are you okay?

Theyre for guys faces! If you want to do sensitive areas you really should turn off the vibrate.... well..... unless.....

Waxing is teh better method

I banged my head on a low chandelier about ten years ago and it grew into a cyst, then it got 2 little brothers too, so ive had my head injected to numb it and had them removed today. Im sitting in my living room with stitches in my head and my scalp covered in blood, wonderful.

My head throbs too.

Im ok thanks yes, just throbs a bit after the numbness went.
Was funny to see the lump, like a light yellow marble, i wasnt intent on looking at it until the sexy nurse shoved it in my face. After that i thot id have a look at the cyst too.

That's kind of you mate, I will keep that in mind.  How are you setting up a website?   Is it through a blog thingy similar to tanks? ( can't remeber the name of the server he uses )

haha - it's the Venus one for girlies Mikky.  Waxing is fine anywhere else, but not under the arms!

Tanks blog still going? The one I thought he had on blogspot was dead

Im a web designer m8, so have my own site, im just gonna have a page on the site with links to articles ive written etc.

hope you're better soon

me too, cant wash my hair for 4 days ffs and thank you

ok.  I didn't realise.   

how long will your head keep you out of action for?   

another good invention - the hat!

Well im bowling tomorrow afternoon, so for about another 14 hours. Problem is with a cap, the edge of the cap will bisect 2 of the 3 cuts, unless i wear it like a gangsta. But im supposed to keep it clean from infection, so lost on what to do.

In fact forget gangsta, more like the Breakaway kid "so good its wicked"

You could wear a flamenco hat .   I will find a suitable example for you  :D

Here you go .  The bloke looks slightly dodgy  :D


http://www.maskworld.com/english/products/costume-accessories/--/hats-caps--370/flamenco-hat--H2087

Breakaway kid... lol

Original breakaway advert is so much better

"Dont take away my breakaway"

if it gets really greasy just rub some talcum powder into the palms of your hands, then stroke it over your hair - will make it look a bit better until you can wash it

And infect the cuts with talc, no way, id rather look like a chip. Im too clumsy, within 2 hours i had opened up one of the cuts and it was pi$$ing down my neck.

Sark which parts of the head does that hat touch that a cap doesnt then ffs?

Did the doctors say that it is safe to go outside?    My friend had a similar procedure a couple of years ago. He had to stay inside for three days

They advised not to do anything fr the weekend, but we have a real important match, so i kinda gotta go.

lol.  I don't wear many hats to be honest. They increase the speed at which we go bald.  An old retired barber told me this once on a long train journey.  I don't want to risk it too much 

the best invetion is nothing, wll to be more accurate 0, without 0 our mathmatical system would be in useless, we would not have invented, created or understood some of the most basic day to day items that we take for granted, Without 0 we would understand little more than the basics of science and math.

Go on top that if ya can.

I can't, i've tried...oh hang on.....nope....oh wait.....nope you got me


Newmanseye 1 lee 0

Hows about the alphabet and language etc.?

The ancient romans had no concept of zero in their counting system.

They got on ok.

The person who developed an easy to understand system for reading and writing

i wish i was an elephant

with flowers in my hair

yes they did ok,but look at the leaps and bounds we have yaken since "modern math" has come to use, please, if you have a better invention that has more applications than 0 i'l love to hear it and dont insult me by saying the wheel.

Language, and alphabet, thats tricky, which alphabet, which language, there are so many, they come and go like the sands of time, Heck you can make up your own language if you saw fit, put try making up a mathmatical problem and then prove it, thats where you will have a challenge on your hands.

Fine creatures and they get to hang out with Charlotte Uhlenbroek and Saba Douglas-Hamilton.  I am jealous of them for this reason

Surely there are things we use more times per day rather than zero.

No they didn't  8)

(Love this late night high minded debate  :D )

The best invention ever is Star Wars! Fact.

Didn't Star Trek beat it for the most loved TV production? 

Cana human sleep while standing up, if not and someone can invent it, it'd be the greatest thing right now

would we have had starwars without 0, nope for one, we would not have had computers to run the special effects, people persorming the stunts would not have the ability to calculate the angles, impacts, strains tension equasion in order to do their jobs.

in truth any one using this forum is relying on 0 more than they realise.

I am still awaiting a better invention than 0

Anything Roman?  ;goodvevil;

(they didn't have zeros you see)

Communication has to be before zero, without it the inventer wouldnt have been able to tell and teach everyone

humans have had the ability to sleep whilst standing for al know as we have walked the planet, hell we walk run, jump,talk and even argue in out sleep, why should standing be any different

Some hunting device, without it wed have died?

yes - I have fallen asleep standing up on the tube!

We can sleep standing up, but we wake up very quickly when we hit the ground

i need to sleep on my nose

PMFSL

A bag to collect the seeds?  :D

what type of communication??

oral, signing, morse code, telecommunication.

To be honest i see communication as more of an evolution than a invention, the cavemen communicated in some fashion, and it has evolved from there, math however is a the lynch pin for modern engineering and science, without 0 we would be as daft as the Romans!! ;goodvevil;

Zero is a big thing for sure, but it depends on other things such as power for example. Id put electricity and the english language ahead of it

Friendship....

Without this I couldnt be having this pointless stupid debate with you lot!

What about the steam train?   or steam engine?   they had a big impact on people's life's during our Industrial past

Im off to bed anyway guys, to wreck my pillow and moan all night that i cant get comfy.

Thanks for a great night, been very funny.

Laters

Well if any language was to be on the top 10 inventions list we would have a tougher decision than just saying English, Latin, Chinese, German, all have fine points and have contributed to the English language I'm many ways, as for electricity, that has been about longer than the amoeba, Electricity has been in nature probably from the creation of existence, in for the creation of this planet, and we had no part in it creation, we simply realised it was there and available.

night mate.  good luck with the head and game tomorrow

the steam train does not come close to the impact having 0 does.

Sark hes gettin lonely with that pillow, i think u shud head on up and ease him in

tikay will disagree with that  :D

Let's not be silly now. Spock or Yoda? Not much of a contest eh?

Zero? Someone compared Star Wars to Zero? Shoot me!

I think Tikay would aggree, without 0 we had no way of calculating the stress the boilers could handle, or the maximum load the train could pull, Even Tikay would see the bigger picture here, without 0 we would not have trains as we know them.

lol mikky,  such a funny guy.   I will leave that for his girlfriend.    Remember mate, I will tell you the history of the hummer to prove my straightness if needed  :D

Is zero really an invention or just the image chosen to represent the point between positive and negative?

Yes, you compared starwars to 0, you said it was the better invention, and starwars is more like artwork than invention, its a fantastic creation that has deep roots, and as I posted, without 0 we would not have the starwars we know and love.

still waiting for a better invention.

sex

Thats my point exactly, we never had a point between positive and nevative before 0, hence its huge importance.

Binary language for examples are 101001001010101

modern math makes no coherent sense without 0

without modern math we would not have any of the inventions we are talking about.

Strange the way we all rely on nothing so much without realising it

I didn't comare Star Wars to zero?!? But if I did Star Wars would win every time!  8) ;goodvevil;

That isn't an invention. It is something every living thing does to reproduce

This is not an invention, its standard procration, it was not invented its instintual.

When something is neither positive or negative it is in equilibrium, so whether we knew how to represent 0 or not is irrelevant - it was always "there". 0 is just the symbol we use.

I f you ask which is the most LOVED im my opinion I would say starwars, but even i havr to admit we would not have it without 0

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When something is neither positive or negative it is in equilibrium, so whether we knew how to represent 0 or not is irrelevant - it was always "there". 0 is just the symbol we use.
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yes, but we never knew it was there before the arabs Invented it, ( i'm sure it was the arabs). after that point we made astonishing leaps as a race, scientific formulae was born, math became a pure language of science, The impact of having 0 is staggering.

We didn't know X-Rays were there before they were discovered but they were still there! 0 is not an invention IMO, it is a discovery.

http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/HistTopics/Zero.html

This article give a much better explination of how 0 has fundementally changed the world around us.

(http://www.totallyabsurd.com/toilet%20snorkel.GIF)

Zero can get tae buggery. The toilet snorkel is the way forward.

I agree 101% about it's impact just not about it's being called an invention.

exactly, without the symbol 0 for zero we would still be going about things the hard way, that likke symbol for nothing had impacted so many major changes since its introduction its frightening.

6 years ago we had to fix a huge problem caused by 0, so many comnpanies and govenments had to change their computersytems because of NOTHING!! or in this case 0

Very true.

Anyway seeing as I dont think it's an invention can I have Star Wars as the best invention ever now please?  :D

Hmmm... I'm going for Marisa Tomei's creation of Mona Lisa Vito from My Cousin Vinny.

That is a clear, concise, properly prepared and well thought out suggestion.

Over-ruled.  :D

No, only because if movies are allowed you must place the Kurasawa works above that of Lucas, he did steal so much from Kurasawam you have to give the guy credit, best thing is lucas admits to it.

I love Star wars too but as an "invention" well I think thats a bit of a slap in the face to starwars, its much more than an invention, its a hope bringer, an entertainer, and uplifter, an artistic masterpeice, but an invention, i think not.#


lol

Have what you like mate, but what a great wee debate!

Good to see i was not the only person watchin this earlier

billy why are you on here posting when its your anniversary evening??

take Gail upstairs and play tig with the buses!

Done that, and we had it yesterday anyways, as we were married in Vegas we decided to celebrate on Vegas time, we had the day today in and took it easy.

As playing tig with buses was not on her mind, let me say my vasectomy is only 99% gtd to prevent pregnancy and she might beat those odds !!!!

ewww. Keep it to pm boys  :D

sorry mate, hows palm this evening??   :D

Kurasawa did not use lightsabers, Yoda, Natalie Portman and most importantly Vader. 8)

True, but a light saber is just a very old Katana, if we put things in to perspective, and yes natalie portman looks fit, but she's still the little girl in Leon to me. and c'mon she does not compare to Carrie fisher in That gold Bikini!!!!!!!

Yoda is merely the wise old master from the hidden fortress, Vader is possibly the greatest masterpiece character ever created IMHO, His inspiration fort Vader is still a mystery to me, I'm sure the character was not lifted from Kurasawa, although the outfit is!

Does the Katana make the cool sounds and have amazing colours? Can it deflect lasers?  :D

Is the wise old master a force user? Is he green? Does he speak backwards? Would he last 5 mins with yoda? 8)

Vader rocks for his lines above all else. Especially in Empire.

Gold bikini Vs Portman? You win.

Does the katana make cool sounds? - yes is the simple answer, that how you know you are slashing properly, where do you think Lucas got the idea of the lightsaber making a noise?( i only know as I practiced iaido for years)

Does the wise old master use the force, well he does not showhimself to use the force but he does have frightning perception silimar to yoda, in to the bargain he never needs to fight as he seems to resolve any unrest with a few words similar to "These are not the droids you are looking for, he can go about his business".

BTW yoda would kick his arse but he was sooo lifted from this character!!!

Having left this discussion after a small tiff about time (enjoyed that Mikky, ta), I wake up this fine morn to see my fellow Jedi locked into a inventionary discussion regarding Kurosawa/Seven Samurai/Star Wars.

It's evolution baby - Kurosawa came up with the story  that Lucas used to tell his verion. He then IMPROVED on it with Star Wars.

So, therefore Star Wars is THE best invention :) 

(Baron can thank me later - hubb hubba)

The best Sci- Fi invention has to be the transporter as shown in Star Trek.  What is better than that?  Even Willy Wonka thought so. I watched a documentary recently where Johnny Depp played the part of Willy Wonka.  They showed one of these transporters in that. Great inventions

Ah, c'mon, even you must admit heid that Starwars is much more than an invention, Starwars had had more applications than most inventions, I cant vategorise it as an invention imho as it has a far greater standing as art.

I love starwars, I thust think ist far more than an invention.

It's a lifestyle choice.

I love you Heid. Mwah!

Yeah, but like many "inventions" listed here, it is a discovery worthy of including in the list! So there.

The Zero's idea took a little while to develop within the Hindu Arabic numeral system;
it is recognition that, in a place-value system (as in an abacus too), a numeral for zero is required in order to position the digits precisely.
The number zero was probably discovered almost as soon as numbers were discovered. ' Zero ' is after all synonymous with ' none '.
What took thousands of years was to invent a special symbol for the number zero, and then to incorporate it into a system of numeration.

The discovery of Zero was made only trice in history: by Babylonian scholars, the Hindus and the Mayans. The ancient Babylonians did not use zero in their numerical representations but left a blank sometimes to indicate the absence of units of a certain order.
The abacus' empty place-value was used to denote the absence of a unit and the zero too.

Awwwww, my intention wasn't to scare you away!!!

 ;tightend;

Noooooo ya didnt scare me away .. I went to bed, cause I was knackered!

Haven't read all the way through this bohemiath, so assume someone's already mentioned my pick:

The alphabet

ha... just reading it now: Lee got it on Page 6... knew someone would already have it!