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If you sit down at a table with say $25, and then turn that into $50, you can't then sit back at that same table with less than $50... how long does this last for? How many minutes/hours/days need to pass since leaving I left the table, until I can sit down with $25 again?

BTW this isn't a nasty plan to try and dump chips off of each and every table I play on. But I'm finding I am playing a lot better in short sessions, and then starting to play terrible with any decent amount of chips/money.

Is this a tactic any other cash game players use?

Anyone know?

usually 1/2 hour, i think it is an hour on some.

are you serious????

ive played at crypto's cash games for ages and if i sat with £25 and left with £50, i can sit right back down again with £10 if i please!!!

what sites is this crazy rule on?

Its a pretty standard rule at most sites, usually applies for half an hour.  Its designed to stop people ratholing profit.

Its an extension of the rule that prevents you from taking chips out of play at a table by sticking them in your pocket.

If Crypto don't have this rule then its yet another flaw in their software.

Sheriff

ill be honest its a shocking rule, if i win a big pot, the money is mine all mine, and if i want to leave with it after doubling up on the very first hand then i shall, i have no problems in taking the money, therefore if i want to come back i should be able to with however much i please.

put it this way, say i only have £25 in account, and play one hand of cash game and double up, i then notice the 10K Gtd is about to start, so i leave the table with £50 and use £25 to buy into the 10K Gtd MTT, i should then be able to sit back down with £25 i have remaining in account again!

its my money and i should be able to do as i please

Moving to another table isn't an issue - that's allowed.  The rule is specifically to prevent you ratholing the money from the opponents you've won it from at the table.

Sheriff

i wouldnt call it ratholing, ive won it fair and squre, they lost it gambling it away, i should be able to leave and come back with what ever.

obviously we have different opinions on this, its just how i feel. if people cant handle it, they should gamble their money away to me

I've not offered an opinion on this thread - I've just been explaining what the standard rule is.  Crypto, as usual, appear to have their own interpretation of the rules.

Sheriff

the best interpretation IMO

They don't seem to have their own interpretation so much as clean ignored it's existance.

The only argument i've heard for allowing ratholing (from a players point of view) is that if someone wants to do it then it's likely they're a losing player and you should let them as it keeps them at your table.

This rule is in force at Crypto (it certainly was a few months ago - the last time I was in a position to rathole :)) . If you leave a particular table with above the buy-in and leave it, you can't sit back at the table with less that the amount you had when you left for something like an hour or two.

There's nothing stopping you from sitting at another table at that particular limit with the min buy-in, though.

Does this mean Scottish Dave has been ratholing his losses?   :blonde:

Sheriff

I was confused when playing at the Crystal Sands Nassau (place dropping  :D ) , well up, but I needed to go check out a football score in the internet cafe - left with about $450. 1/2 hour later I came back & was asked to cash in $250 as they wouldn't let me sit down with more than the $200 max buy-in - even though I was back to the same seat at the table I'd left. I was expecting to be made to sit at the other table, or put down what I'd left with. None of the players complained either & the Spring Breakers resumed giving me chips  8)

If this is true its another fine example of the poor software!

You mean there's somewhere I can play in the Bahamas?  This is potentially very relevant as I'm flying out there a week today.

More info please, Rod.

Sheriff

PS:  Dear Mrs Sheriff to be,

Nothing to see in this thread, nothing to see.   Please move along.

Most of the casinos in vegas it\\\'s half an hour.
But even then it\\\'s at the dealer/floor person\\\'s discression and if someone was deliberately \\\"ratholing\\\" it wouldn\\\'t be allowed. I have certainly pointed this out to the floor on a couple of occasions and had them enforce the rule.
A few months ago I was to the left of a middle aged woman and we both had $900+ in a $200max 1/2 game.... she cashed out came back less than 10 minutes later with $200... I kicked up fuss because she was a big fish and I wanted her $900 stack so her ratholing would not be accepted by me, floorman told her to buy in for $900 or come back an hour later, meanwhile somone random person sits down in the spare seat and she goes away and plays limit poker at another table. PWNED !

Pretty standard poker rule though, even before this internets invention came along, i\\\'m sure.

What are all the \\\ for?

They're escape characters for the database (some characters do special things so preceding them with a slash tells the database that you want the actual character and not the special action). Why they show up on Dale's post I don't know. Maybe he's posting through some other webapp that incorrectly adds them twice...

thank you

Bongo is correct. Im using a php proxy.

Plus its always good to have a slash / after a long online session of poker. :D :D :D

I had been wondering about that for a while :)

Nope nothing & Sheriff doesn't have a pm either.

i wish i could rathole!

my losses lately have been sickening!

so bassically you tried to bully a Middle aged woman?

how does trying to get a bad player to sit with a large stack equate to "bullying"

As for the topic at hand.... it is their own money, so I dont see anything really wrong with it, and the high majority of people that do it are losing players, so letting them keep their money the small % of the time they win is a good idea to keep them in the game longer

you call this RATHOLING in my opinion this is called" hit and run" then come back to try again i wouldnt stand for it regardless how much money is involved if your true and need a break let someone play over you,and leave your £££ on the table  or where we play we count what we got and when we come back we put the same amount down, thats boll-x   to cut n run dont come to cardiff and try it

I fell victim to this rule in Cincins, I had was up about £400 and i had to leave the club for about an hour and I was asked to sit down with what I had cashed out. The problem was I cashed out £760 as i was down to begin with, so I had to buy in for the whole lot again, i was not all that bothered but its a bit of a strange rule imo

There's an amusing episode on High Stakes Poker when one of the players was accused of 'going south' as they put it.

Think it was Freddy Deeb, and he wasn't too chuffed at the accusation.

i hit and run plenty!

example - i sat a while back at a big cash game on betfair, sat with £350 on first hand i get AA and get it all in preflop against QQ, i double up to £700!

just before they delt the second hand, i said thanks to the table for letting me sit for one hand, and swiftly left the table, up a cool £350 in 30 seconds!

You are proud of this?

now thats a diffrent case if you was doing your £ thats  fair enough m8

WELL ,YOU HAVE GOT NO POKER MANNERS WHAT SO EVER  YOUR OBVIOUSLY NOT A GOOD PLAYER TO DO THIS I CANT BELIVE YOU GOT THE BALLS TO EVEN SAY ,IF YOU DID THAT AT OUR CASINO YOU WOULD BE TOLD TO GET OUT AND YOUD BE 50/50 TO GET TO YOUR CAR I HATE PEOPLE LIKE THIS NO BALLS

Sofa/James,


Posts like http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=12605.msg262834#msg262834 are a shining example of how it usually ends up

long may it continue

Lets be fair guys, the hit and run technique can be a very good money earner, The fact that Dave has the Balls to say "I do it, I make money"  has to be appreciated, there are many people who would not admit to this at all, I know I have done it on several occassions when I just wanted to boot my roll a bit, i'd pop down at the 1 / 2 game and chucke em in with the first premium hand pray fo the caller and bugger off. I know plenty of so called "pros" that do this also, infact it was rife in one of the ept events that a Cincin member attended, so much so it waqs a running joke.

Jumping on Dave is hardly fair for what is Telling the truth.

Please tell me this though, after a big win at a cash table, how long should you wait before you bog off?

I saw a guy give his leaving notice, he was pressured in to staying longer and he lost the lot on a set of aces, when the bloke on heavy tilt calls his all in with a BACKDOOR   flush draw!! 9 he hit it btw.

so whats acceptable, should the people ?who lose be given a set time to win back their money, or can a person leave when the money is for all purposes theirs.

This could be a decent discussion, but jumping on people for admittiung to something is a bit ott im my opinion.

The etiquette of 'hit and run' and reducing differs from place to place, doesn't it?

The understanding that I had is that in live casino games, hit and runs are perfectly allowed, you can double up first hand and then cash out. But in Home Games or private clubs you have to give notice of when you intend to leave - a person who hits and runs in a home game simply wouldn't be invited back!

As for reducing, I believe Tribeca doesn't allow it. But then online, with so many tables to choose from, there'd be little need.

I'd say thats another unfair comment sofa, Dave does play the higherstake games i can vouch for this, how can you berrate him for using the "hit & Run" technique then say he has not got the money to do it.

 ;goodvevil;

Great post mate,
                        Home games are a prime example, home games are usually for the craic, and the fun, the poker is a way to pass the time and stir up the fun and banter, hence the hit & run  is not something you would do at a home game, where as a casio is slightly different as you have a waiting list in most places to get on to the cash tables its pointless to use the technique unless you make a big score early on.

I NEVER EVER SAID ABOUT WHEN ITS TIME TO LEAVE MY ARGUMENT STARTED OFF BY SAYING  ABOUT HIT AND RUN AND THEN COME BACK WITH A SMALL RE-LOAD (NOT ON) YOU CAN LEAVE WHEN YOU LIKE , BUT THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS M8 WOULD YOU SIT DOWN WITH £1000.00 TO PLAY WITH A GUY WHOS GONNA SIT DOWN WITH £1000.00 AND KNOW THAT AS SOON AS HE HITS AND DOUBLES UP HES OFF?WELL WOULD YOU ?NO! I DONT KNOW ANYONE IN THERE RIGHT MIND WOULD PLAY THIS GAME WITH SOMEONE WHO DOES THIS .

Steady on guys ... Totalise, Sofa and James, you dont have to be so smug and aggressive to a member of this forum for being honest.

Sofa, it doesnt matter what stakes you play, this forum isnt just for people who play at high levels you know... the stakes are irrelevant, and please keep personal insults and attacks on members characters off the board.

Firstly, please depress the caps lock key, when reading your post/ it comes accross like you are shouting.

Secondly, people hit and run all the time, I welcome them to my table, mostly because the people who Hit & run at Cincins are usually the chasers, they come in with £1500 and if they are behind, they will chase every gutshot to catch up.

thirdly whats wrong with buggering off after you have doubled your money??  is there a rule that i have not read that says you must lose back part of your winnings??

Take this evening for example, I sat in a cash game with £50, it was a £1 - £1 game and i announced that i would leave as soon as my wife arrived, regardless of my position, I had trebled my cash in 20 mins and no one complained, they had every chance to bust me and leave me waiting for the Mrs to collect me, There was no issue with me leaving the table with 3 x what i sat down with after 20 mins of playing. Perhaps its me  however i dont see why you are so annoyed at people for taking what is " THEIR WINNINGS!!"

 

KEV I AM JAMES LOL,IVE NEVER HAD A GO AT ANYONE ON THIS FORUM, BUT TO SAY WHAT HE SAID WELL ITS A JOKE M8 ,I DUNNO IT MIGHT BE OUR RULES AT OUR CLUB BUT WITHOUT BLOWING OUR LIVE CASH GAMES NORMALLY 8 HANDED GENERATES ,TO ABOUT £10-£15 K ON THE TABLE AT ANY ONE TIME BETWEEN US ,SOMETIMES MORE AND THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW WHO HAVE TRIED THIS HIT AND RUN, SIT DOWN WITH £500 WAIT TO GET IT ALL IN THEN SHOOT WITH THE POT ARE NOT WELCOME AT OUR TABLE WE NOW THE ONES WHO TRY BUT WHEN THEY COME TO SIT WE JUST SAY SORRY BUT YOUR NOT WELCOME .IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS?

IN SO MANY POSTS I SEE OFF THIS GUY IT ALL SEEMS TO BE LOW LIMIT OR £5 SNG AND A FEW MORE IVE DONE MY BANKROLL OF A £1000 IN 3 WEEKS,DO THIS SOUND LIKE A GUY THAT SITS DOWN WITH £350 1 HAND AND GETS IT IN WITH ACES WHAT A COINCIDENCE EH?THIS IS THE OPPINION IM GETTING FROM THIS GUY OR HAS HE JUST LIED AND EXAGGERATED BY SAYINY THIS TO GET PEOPLES ATTENTION?WHAT DO YOU THINK?

My thoughts are you must be a FISH in a live cash game if thats the read you get off Dave   :D  all joking aside though, why would Dave need to lie, to get attenntion from the posters on Blonde?? Thats a silly statement, I know Dave fairly well and I know he's a stand up bloke, I'm sure many other blondes would testify to the same.

What I think however is that you need to get your gregory pecks out of their case and find the caps lock button, I wont get in to a posting rally about this mate as it seems pointless, Hell if hit & run is against the " rules" then why not ban check/raising, that move causes so much aggro at cash games i have stopped doing it for an easy life.

If the rules are clear and stated to everyone who is in, or joins the game, then there is no problem... poker etiquette doent pay the bills, and if there is no rule to be broken then it is up to each and every individual to decide what to do with their money.

you are welcome to post your thoughts just as Dave is, what we object to is personal insults and attacks on peoples characters.

Now you have me in a quandry, why do you not welcome these guys, if they are so intent on hitting and running, with a £500 all in why not bust them between you ?

I see you have a personal gripe on this issue and i appreciate your stand point, however to exclude these guys is to pass up easy pickings at a cash game table, if you have a deep pocket, why not call these people with any 2 cards to bust them and "teach them a lesson" once they are behind on your table they will piss away a lot more chasing the original buy in.

sorry about the capitals my eyes are gone ,i dunno this seems to have gone from 1 comment into about 5 diffrent things ,and kev i have not insulted this guy ive given my opinon and thats what a forum is for if you dont like my opinion then thats upto you .im not calling this guy names im sure he will  have his say tomorrow about this but to what the original feeling i get from the comments of dave is that hes saying things to cause debate of which this forum is for as ,so telling me not in so many words dont answer, i think your being unfair and maybee biased imho,but thats upto you

I don't think i have been smug or aggressive.

It's common place in a cash game to announce when you plan to leave, i always do it, say if you are sat there leaving at the next sessions fee but you are even, you then double up and suddenly it's sessions time then you look like i right bastard. If someone says i am going when my wife comes and they treble up in 20 mins and then she comes then i have no problem with him leaving.

It's just about being polite, you don't have to do it, it isn't the rules. You don't have to hold the door open for a pregnant lady or an old man, you don't have to to say please and thankyou. It's just the proper way to conduct yourself.

I hope Dave doesn't feel i was aggressive or smug towards the him, i like the guy i think he is a good bloke and a great character, i just feel he may not fully understand this poker etiquette.

We obviously have differing opinions on what constitutes an insult, my views are based on the facts and are in no way biased.

And debate is fine, as long as you are capable of debating without making a personal attack on someone.

when i go to the club aprox 5 nights a week to play we dont want people coming in with there £500 to hit and run im not being funny but we get a few good cash players come down to play at our club and what impresion do you think we would give if they come down with £5-£10k just to get busted by a hit and run its just something we dont allow to happen as if this did you think these guys would come back?okokok in the smaller games £50-100 sit down its a bit diffrent then its well everything goes,but still they wont stand for hit and run merchants,at our club we have standards where as other places must be diffrent but ive played at quite a few ,rather than someone do the hit and run like dave does out in the open , why not just sit at the table and blind away a few or wait for a monster?not just get up and say thanx for the seat i just think thats taking the p155  


and if you think this is just online go have a look who plays with fun4all on laddies,no one as he is known for it he sits down they all get up ,who wants to be known for this?NOT I SIR THANKYOU

Well regardless of the level, I think if a guy who wants to hit an run sits at your table you let him, there are many ways of combating the style, first off the top of my head is dont give him any action with a big push pre flop, pretty soon he will slow play a monster and have it cracked by some modest cards.

I appreciate your feelings on this sofa I really do, I just think you may be tackling the people who uses the technique the wrong way   ;goodvevil;

I had a very apt sun tzu quote that may help you or may not  ...

If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

Look, im not going to get into a debate about this on here ... so far you have called him a liar, you have said he talks crap, and you have said he has no balls.

If you want to discuss it further feel free to PM me and we can discuss it as much as you like.

I'm pretty sure the MOD has them mate, the art of war was compulsory reading for officers last time I checked, My point though is this, you are allowing easy money to pass you by when you do not allow these people to play in your cash game.

I feel i have a valid opinion on cash games as thats my strongest game, I have great results from cash and it seems to  me like you are allowing an easy £1500 to pass you by, possibly more, who knows how long they will chase.

Do me a favour, if they cant get a game Give them the address of the Cincinatti club in Glasgow, I'm sure they will be welcomed !

Lord help me but I agree with Flushy.

I don't think it has anything to do with having a style to counter the hit and run or how playable a hit and run merchant is.

It just comes down to a simple concept. Manners.

I hold the door open for a lady, I stand up on the bus for an OAP and I try not to hit and run if I can help it and I'm not outmatched.

This 'hit and run' style sounds like fun. What's the best way to make it work?  ;goodvevil;

ty baron,ive just pm kev i let him know my views,but i really dont think i was smugg or agressive towards dave,i know a few people who do hit and run but atleast they do it quietly with some ettiquette like get the pillow out and blind a few back,not a lot but do it with a bit of class if thats your game lock up and bolt down,just dont take the micky outta guys who you just took there money and say im off thnx for your money

come to my gaff i hit you then you run lol
ONLY A JOKE KEV just in case

who is being smug? its just a reflection of what normally happens..as per the link. Maybe I should LIE and say that it doesn't happen? I am thinking of the lesser rolled players who read Scotch Daves posts and think its a good idea. It isn't. it is a bad day for humanity when my selfless act of altruism gets shot down in such a barrage of flames

On Tribeca you can reduce, or sit back in with a lesser amount. I should stress here I only know this because I have been in the situation before where i have been playing a NL game and had the rest of my roll on a limit table. I wanted to enter an MTT so left my NL table up.
If you then try and sit in again it asks you to buy in again for the amount you left with, but if you join the waiting list, even if there are empty seats, it will sit you back in after about 30 secs and you can buy in for any amount.

no mate, she was out of order by blatently breaking a very well known poker rule, I mearly called the card room manager to make sure that the rules were enforced.
rules are rules, and theres no way I want someone breaking the rules to my own disadvantage.

So about 1/2 hour then, yeah?

I'd leave it 40 minutes to be safe. Especially in Cardiff.  8)


Morning!

it doesnt bother me at all, i have £350 up so im happy.....if some one else sat and did it to me, id want them to Fekk off after that hand!

Now now now young man....temper tempter lol

i couldnt do it in my casino, cos you have to give 30 mins notice....if it happened in the casino, id have given the 30 mins notice as soon as a won it tho, and just sat out the 30 mins and left with £340

ahhh so you hope i keep losing? Now your colours show

lol dont worry about it mate, its kind of fun, ive never been hated before, apart from ugly people that are jealous of my stunning chiselled good looks.

if people are angry that ive done this thats up to them, i dont need to explain my self to people for doing something that 80% of online player have done before.

im still good looking tho xx

i dont regularly play high stakes games, but sometimes i like to duck and dive in and out to spice poker up a bit.

The regulaqr games i play are MTT's £10 £20, but if im bored and have some spare cash ill dive into a higher cash game foir the rush, and if i hit, like i did with the Ace's thats a bonus, and i go back to low limits again.

i have stopped playing highstakes tho, as i have Emily now, and cant afford to lose that kind of cash.

as for expressing your opinion, my god man of course you can, thats what a forum is all about, where as calling me a liar and is a direct insult to me and my charactor, one that i shall not accept, you can either cease doing it, take it to PM, or take it to BB3?

this above post looks like i want to square go Sofa at BB3...i dont...when i posted this i ment to talk in person about it as text can sometimes come accross as different that it ment, like this actually lol

Online i'd say you can leave at anytime if you want. I don't think there's any need for the verbal though - the QQ man is probably feeling a bit low at losing a buyin - there's no need to rub it in.

yes thats true, i maybe shouldnt have said that...point taken.

I'd say there is a major difference between doing this online and doing it live. Plus, if your playing with the same people online, then its probably best not to do it.

Plus, Dave shouldnt be shot down just for being honest. I'm sure there are loads of people who may not make a habit of doing it, but have done it at least once, maybe not even meaning to do it. I'm pretty sure most of us have left a table, maybe after getting lucky and winning a huge pot simply because we might have realised we were getting out played, getting bad cards, etc. Doesnt mean that you dont repsect poker etiquitee (cant spell :( )

my take on this (generally, rather than Daves case specifically) is that a player can certainly get up and walk away after winning a big hand. if they're going to give 30 minutes notice and post at most two BBs and two SBs they might aswell get up straight away and let a new player into the seat. Doing it after one hand doesn't make much sense. you don't know if the table is a good or bad one after one hand. sit in a while and see if there's more to come.

If a player does leave a live cash table and they want to come back they should sit down with pretty much what they got up with. no one should object if it's short by the price of a meal or a couple of drinks but in needs to be in the right region.

I also think it's a bit OTT when players are told they can't take money off the table to buy a drink / pack of smokes / sandwich. I realise they aren't allowed to take lumps of cash off but £5 from a stack of £500 is no problem.

all the above is posted with live poker in mind but the same principles apply online.

HOWEVER, in Daves case he may have broken a few 'rules of etiquette' but he's not cheated and a CAPS LOCK tirade of abuse is well out of order. I admire his control. I'd have got very angry if a post that strong had been aimed at me.

I don't belive that Adam - I always had you marked down as unrufflable as long as we move the shortstack....
;goodvevil;


Sorry - couldn't resist ;)

 ;iagree;

Just out of curiosity (not being a cash game monkey) who was it who decided that its not poker etiquette to leave a cash game when you have made a profit without giving notice?

When i used to be manager of a betting shop we didnt have a rule that said once a customer won some money he had to remain in the shop for 30 minutes before he could leave, as far as i'm aware casino's dont have a rule that says you need to play another 10 spins on the roulette wheel if you double your starting stake.

At the end of the day there are no rules in poker and there is no law to say that a player must remain at the table. Just like in football when a team sportingly kicks the ball out of play so an opposing player can receive treatment then it is etiquette that the opposing team returns the ball on the restart of play. If the opposing team doesnt return the ball however - as much as the sporting team may complain no rules have been broken and there isnt anything the referee can do about it.

Thats exactly it Matt, there is no rule broken, and i have no idea who came up with the idea. I guess its just natural behaviour, you take a load of money off someone and then nip off it is likely to upset them, so instead you stay and keep the world a calmer place :D

I imagine as more and more players start playing live cash at the major festivals which are full of qualifers then these practices will start to die out.

I would agree with Flushy. Its obviously not a 'rule' per se, but more just a common courtesy. It doesnt bother me if someone does it online, but if i was playing live and someone did it a few times, i would be reluctant to play against them in the future. I cant quite put my finger on why, i agree that if they take my chips, they have no obligation to play with me for an hour so i can win them back, but i just wouldnt be comfortable playing with someone who i know will leave the table at a moments notice.

Just thinking about it, i suppose its pretty similar to most comeptitive sports/games.

If someone beats you, usually you get a re-match, be it a game of pool/darts or a race or anything!

Provided both parties agree to the rematch and if in the case of a professional sport so does the sports governing body. I guess we're back to another poker discussion point.

Professional players but no governing body..............

Does it not also come down to blinds and session fees as well.

Assuming that any spare seats will not be immediately filled, or even a short handed game, then someone may decide not to post a blind or pay a session fee if they know someone/a few people will be leaving shortly.

I don't think i've explained what i mean very well but don't have time to rewrite it today, sorry!!

No single person decided it. that's kind of the point.  etiquete and customs are commonly agreed and evolve naturally.

The whole thread has moved off track from the original query, which related to the rule forcing people to return with the money they left with if they left the table and returned within a short period of time.  That is a different situation (effectively taking money from a table and continuing to play there) than the subsequent ethical debate on the issue of hitting and running.

In a public cash game people can and should be free to sit down and leave as and when they choose.  Perhaps its 'bad etiquette' to leave after winning a significant amount of cash in a short time but its not a breach of the rules.  However, its also 'bad etiquette' to slow-roll, rubdown an opponent, swear/abuse players/dealers, etc, etc but some players also choose to do this.  The debate on these issues is an ethical one more than a rulebreaking issue.

However, it would be a breach of the rules (in most places) if that person then tried to sit back down at the same table with a standard buy-in in a short space of time.  The rules are generally pretty clear in this respect, although as some have pointed out, they aren't always enforced.

Sheriff

i really don't like 'hit and run merchants' however i understand why people do it.  

The thing is Hit and Run players are usually always playing above their bankroll and the prospect of sitting at a higher level may bring a sense of fear to their game.

If you play at a level which is say a $300 buy in max 2/4nl  game and have say $6k in your BR, there would be no real value of the hit and run move as you would be sat there with double the buyin and a chance to get a big stack.

The Hit and Run technique therefore takes away the old advice of 'never think of chips as real money until you leave the table'

or as kenny rodgers puts it "you never count your money, while your sitting at the table, there will be time enough to count it. when the dealings done"

as for the comment of TY after the double up with AA i would give up poker before i made this comment. Get it quietly if your gonna do it.
    rick

Moving the scope a little further, its only a short step from 'hit and run' etiquette to short-buy in theory for NL cash games and involves much of the same principles.  By buying in for the minimum amount at a table and looking to accumulate a stack you are potentially maximising your upside for a minimum of risk.

Many players find this approach just as morally unacceptable as a 'hit and run' but its a low-risk strategy suggested by a number of respected poker authors as a way in which to learn how to play NLHE. 

My point is that its 'accepted theory' to buy in for $20, say, at a $100 table and look to accumulate a stack from there.  At the end of the day, if you walk away with $200 you've still only risked $20 to achieve that.  Ultimately, this is not much different from someone who chooses to lock up a profit as soon as they've doubled up, even if it only takes them one hand to do so.

Sheriff

WELL SCOTISH DAVE NOW I WANT A REAL FIGHT WITH BATS AND STICKS lol ok ok i give up, maybee i was a bit strong on this point ive been thinking about it all day its my personal opinon m8,i think you took what i said in a good way and you were very honest as i felt in your replies,but as to doing it online it is a little bit diffrent as to live as you said you wouldnt do this live so i forgive you a little lol,but seriously i dont know anyone who stands for hit n run players on or offline ,maybee i could meet you and kev at the next bigish event and we could all have a fight or a beer see you again,AS FOR MY CAPITALS i was not shouting m8 my eyes were killing me as it was pretty late and im pony on the computer. so i leave it at the old silly saying WE WILL AGREE TO DISAGREE take care and gl (not with the hit n run though lol) james

AdamM the reason i didnt get upset is because, there is no real point, people say thing on here that they later regret, (as above) christ knows ive upset a few on here and vice versa.

Sofa, yes we shall agree to Disagree.

as for Newmanseye and Col-Kev, thanks every so much for coming aboard this thread to defend what was being thrown at me, not agreeing with what i said, but backing me up anyway, its appreciated

anyway its seemed to die down....think ill go hit and run the £500 table tonight...Oooops, only kidding!  8)

Hey, ive just thougth of something?

Do you think this thread was juicy enough to make the best of blonde board???