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Title: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 26, 2006, 12:28:39 AM gonna play 4 x £5 STT's on betfair and see how i fair, this is advice from Silo regardingh playing STT's to build bankrolls
ill updates in next hour: Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 26, 2006, 12:33:20 AM STT 2 im down to 112 chips after My JQ fails to hit v mateys 88
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Colchester Kev on July 26, 2006, 12:36:14 AM STT 2 im down to 112 chips after My JQ fails to hit v mateys 88 Dave, you could be closer to the reason for lack of success than you think ... why are you losing a shit load of chips with JQ ? Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: raab11 on July 26, 2006, 12:37:55 AM STT 2 im down to 112 chips after My JQ fails to hit v mateys 88 Dave, you could be closer to the reason for lack of success than you think ... why are you losing a shit load of chips with JQ ? you could be on to something kev gl dave Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 26, 2006, 12:49:14 AM STT 2 im down to 112 chips after My JQ fails to hit v mateys 88 Dave, you could be closer to the reason for lack of success than you think ... why are you losing a shit load of chips with JQ ? ahh but i had lost 300 the hand before with A10 v AQ and was down to 700 and tangled with the other short stack with the JQ. im out that tourney in 10th place! ---------------------- STT3 im out of too, when my QK ran into 88 on a Q88 flop! ------------ STT 1 im up to 3000 chips ----------------- STT4 im on 1500 the problem with these STT is the starting stack is only 1000 chips, if you lose the first hand your screwed! Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Bongo on July 26, 2006, 12:50:46 AM You still lost 588 chips more than you needed to with JQ.
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 26, 2006, 12:58:32 AM You still lost 588 chips more than you needed to with JQ. since he pushed all im i fancied he had a pair lower than JJ therefore it was a race, and i missed! Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 26, 2006, 12:59:55 AM ok made money in STT1
i had 5400 chips with 10,000 chips in play lol Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Woodsey on July 26, 2006, 01:01:41 AM You still lost 588 chips more than you needed to with JQ. since he pushed all im i fancied he had a pair lower than JJ therefore it was a race, and i missed! that call is a big loser in the long run Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Wardonkey on July 26, 2006, 01:03:06 AM and the short run apparently....
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Graham C on July 26, 2006, 01:05:59 AM First few levels in these stt's you only need to play premium hands only. No need to get involved with muck like QJ.
Happy experimenting, I'm sure you'll find success :) Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Woodsey on July 26, 2006, 01:07:17 AM and the short run apparently.... Well just generally...... Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Newmanseye on July 26, 2006, 01:07:33 AM well its not that its a bad call, if dave had a decent read, he had 2 live cards firstly and he's only 3 -4 % behind, given he is low on chips its an easy race to double up.
Hell it's not like he did it against aces, then that would be a shocking play. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Wardonkey on July 26, 2006, 01:10:53 AM You are not going to beat STTs at any level calling for most of you chips with QJ in the first 2 levels.
Silo is right, even A,10 should be dumped in most circumstances. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 26, 2006, 01:12:51 AM right i really hope Silo is away to bed now, or im going to look like such a fool:
STT2 - i went out in 9th - winning £0 STT3 - i went out in 7th - winning £0 STT1 - i went on to WIN it - winning £25 STT4 - i went on to WIN it - winning £25 4 x £5 + 0.50 buy in STT's = £22 invested £0 + £0 + £25 + £25 = £50 return 50 - 22 = £28 profit in 45 mins! Ok ok ok and for the record.....i actually enjoyed them, it wasnt as boring as i had 4 running at once! Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: BigTomatoes on July 26, 2006, 01:13:51 AM the point is , dave doesnt know if the guy has 88 or AA so it is a -ev call
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Wardonkey on July 26, 2006, 01:14:55 AM Nice one, well done Dave.l
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 26, 2006, 01:17:05 AM ill explain the A10 and JQ hand
A10, with 15/30 blinds, i raise to 120 (4xBB) and get one caller flop comes 3 6 Q... i lead out with a standard continuation bet of 150, and he reraises me all in, have to fold. thats me down to 710 chips (i told you the structure is shocking in these STT's) ------------------------------- i then find JQ in small Bllind, all folds to Button who pushes all in for 500, its either a steal or a small pocket, so i call. i was correct but failed to hit. I mean surely if he has 10 10 - AA he would raise smaller? Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Newmanseye on July 26, 2006, 01:18:36 AM You are not going to beat STTs at any level calling for most of you chips with QJ in the first 2 levels. Silo is right, even A,10 should be dumped in most circumstances. My point was in this instance it was not that its was a horrible call, it was the same odds as AK, and chances are hes calling with AK, I just happen to think that Dave's read of the player should come in to it, lets be honest, not many people will push with aces unless there are a few people in a very healthy pot or its a 2 way betting rally. Just my opinion. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Wardonkey on July 26, 2006, 01:26:24 AM Your job at the beginning of an STT is to not lose chips, stay in the game. It's more important not to lose chips than to win them at this stage.
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Newmanseye on July 26, 2006, 01:30:43 AM Your job at the beginning of an STT is to not lose chips, stay in the game. It's more important not to lose chips than to win them at this stage. Now thats not something I've heard before, i have always been of the ethos " accumulate, and keep doing it, Quicker the better" Where did that come from War? is that the General rule for stt's? If this is coming accross sarcastic its not supposed to, its a genuine question. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Royal Flush on July 26, 2006, 01:40:24 AM Your job at the beginning of an STT is to not lose chips, stay in the game. It's more important not to lose chips than to win them at this stage. Now thats not something I've heard before, i have always been of the ethos " accumulate, and keep doing it, Quicker the better" Where did that come from War? is that the General rule for stt's? If this is comeing accross sarcastic its not supposed to, its a genuine question. Sit and go's are all about survival. War knows his shit when it comes to SNG's anything he has to say on the subject is worth following. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Wardonkey on July 26, 2006, 01:53:16 AM Your job at the beginning of an STT is to not lose chips, stay in the game. It's more important not to lose chips than to win them at this stage. Now thats not something I've heard before, i have always been of the ethos " accumulate, and keep doing it, Quicker the better" Where did that come from War? is that the General rule for stt's? If this is coming accross sarcastic its not supposed to, its a genuine question. A decent percentage of cashes in STTs is 40 to 45 %. If your willing to race in the first level then half the time you'll be knocked out. Even the times you double up you won't always cash so you lose money by taking on 50/50 shots early on. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Newmanseye on July 26, 2006, 02:21:12 AM So an early race with Aspades Ks Vs 7s 7h is not where we want to be?
My poker foundation was born of taking races early to accumulate chips early, i have tempered and tweaked it and added other peices that i have picked up in books, then again i was taught to play by a maniac player, Pressure and reads are the strongest part of my game, and its tough to use them online as they complement each other in live poker. what literature would you suggest for tackling the online stt's ? Harrington is a MTT collection, Doyle did the cash game book, as has Phil gordon, But the STT's book is one i've yet to read. Any referals war? Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Wardonkey on July 26, 2006, 03:07:45 AM Harrington is good and has quite a few references to STT play. The 2+2 forum has some very valuable strategy guides.
I expect Scott Fischmann's new book will be excellent. Scott and his freind Darrell 'Gigabet' Dickens are two of the best and most successful STT players in the game. Having reminded myself I'm off to Amazon to order my copy! Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Royal Flush on July 26, 2006, 03:08:03 AM So an early race with Aspades Ks Vs 7s 7h is not where we want to be? You dont want that in a MTT either! You don't attempt to get your chips in behind just to 'accumulate chips' thats just flawed. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Wardonkey on July 26, 2006, 03:27:20 AM Having reminded myself I'm off to Amazon to order my copy! I can't find it, it might not be out yet.... Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Graham C on July 26, 2006, 09:00:15 AM right i really hope Silo is away to bed now, or im going to look like such a fool: Damn right, it was gone 1am :D Some of us work for a living :D 50 - 22 = £28 profit in 45 mins! Ok ok ok and for the record.....i actually enjoyed them, it wasnt as boring as i had 4 running at once! Nice going, see it's not too bad is it! The advise from Wardonkey is spot on. First few levels you really don't want to be involved if you can help it. Let the others knock themselves out and when the blinds are actually worth having, start playing a bit more. At these levels, people will almost always be going all in in the first couple of hands to get 30 chips or so - pointless. Let them fight it out :) Nice results Dave, now you just need to build on that, do the same twice every day and you've got a nice bankroll all of a sudden :) Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: matt674 on July 26, 2006, 10:36:26 AM You dont want that in a MTT either! You don't attempt to get your chips in behind just to 'accumulate chips' thats just flawed. Who is this?? What have you done with the real Flushy?? Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: TheJagster on July 26, 2006, 10:43:00 AM LOLOLOLOL
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I hear that their probing isn't all its cracked up to be............. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Royal Flush on July 26, 2006, 01:20:28 PM I hope it wasnt an alien abduction!! I hear that their probing isn't all its cracked up to be............. Cease earthling Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: ifm on July 26, 2006, 03:33:04 PM Intestingly (or not) i had a little chat about 4 tabling with mugly the other day, i have been doing this and i find it's working for me BECAUSE it stops me trying to accumulate chips early on.
If i just autofold, call bets etc. on face value only i have improved my results dramatically. I don't think "he's bluffing i'll reraise him here" i just look, see i've missed and fold. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: NoflopsHomer on July 26, 2006, 03:45:44 PM Intestingly (or not) i had a little chat about 4 tabling with mugly the other day, i have been doing this and i find it's working for me BECAUSE it stops me trying to accumulate chips early on. :goodpost:If i just autofold, call bets etc. on face value only i have improved my results dramatically. I don't think "he's bluffing i'll reraise him here" i just look, see i've missed and fold. Exactly why I do it!!! Otherwise I'll try and get creative with something like 8d 5d.... Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: stallyon on July 26, 2006, 03:50:34 PM You are not going to beat STTs at any level calling for most of you chips with QJ in the first 2 levels. Silo is right, even A,10 should be dumped in most circumstances. personally, for the first 2 levels I chuck all but the premium hands and then only play these carefully. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: dino1980 on July 26, 2006, 04:22:52 PM I play a lot of Sng's and subscribe to the 'tight is right' philosophy at the beginning of a tournament. Here's a really useful guide for sng up to $50 which echoes that philosophy http://tinyurl.com/gs2pe
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 26, 2006, 11:54:32 PM ok trying this again:
4 x £5 + 0.50 STT's = £22 Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 26, 2006, 11:58:09 PM Get too f***
ive been going for the Tight approach! first STT, first hand and i Get QQ in Mid position...guy raises to 60 i reraise to 240, he calls flop comes 9 10 J....he automatically pushes all in for 760....with my over pair and open ended i call he has AJ to my QQ....YES!!!!! ....No...a J on turn fekks me out! Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Graham C on July 27, 2006, 12:01:32 AM lol unlucky. You'd be pushed to win 4 out of 4 anyway. Ladies always get you in trouble!
It's all about the overall profit Dave, forget about the beat :) edit: oh and don't forget to take 50p off your winnings ;) Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 27, 2006, 12:04:11 AM out the second one in 9th
i get 77 and see a flop of A J 7, get it all in against AJ with a J on river puts me out. so far ive been put out 2 STT against AJ when ive been ahead! not looking good here Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 27, 2006, 12:05:11 AM lol unlucky. You'd be pushed to win 4 out of 4 anyway. Ladies always get you in trouble! It's all about the overall profit Dave, forget about the beat :) edit: oh and don't forget to take 50p off your winnings ;) make that £1 Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Graham C on July 27, 2006, 12:08:17 AM Daveeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 27, 2006, 12:11:24 AM im out the 3rd STT in 9th also!
i raise to 90 with AJ, and get one caller flop 2 8 J guy check calls my 120 bet turn 7 guy checks and i check turn J...so final board 2 8 J 7 J...i have AJ guy bets 240, and i push all in...he calls with 22 and im out Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Graham C on July 27, 2006, 12:26:06 AM What happened to premium hands only though?
You have been unlucky there. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Ginger on July 27, 2006, 12:29:06 AM Hmmm, well my "experiment" into these low stt's is going really well! only 1 bubble in 9 stt's and all the rest 1st or 2nd's :D
That article link that was posted earlier is excelland Dave, I've tried to use it to the letter for the last 5 games and I HIGHLY rate it, I've double my BR on stars today alone! (ok, it wasn't that large to begin with, but you get my point) Keep trying, it will come good Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 27, 2006, 12:30:45 AM What happened to premium hands only though? You have been unlucky there. 77 on the button is premium to me when they all fold and i hit the flop like that. im getting some bad beats tonight, need to win this last to break even lol ill take a second tho for £5 loss Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 27, 2006, 12:31:45 AM Hmmm, well my "experiment" into these low stt's is going really well! only 1 bubble in 9 stt's and all the rest 1st or 2nd's :D i saw that earlier, but havent seen it yet, ill go read itThat article link that was posted earlier is excelland Dave, I've tried to use it to the letter for the last 5 games and I HIGHLY rate it, I've double my BR on stars today alone! (ok, it wasn't that large to begin with, but you get my point) Keep trying, it will come good Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 27, 2006, 12:48:44 AM ok i got a second place...i should have won it tho, i made last three when i had 6500 chips v matey1's 1500, and matey2's 2000 chips
with Blinds of...get this 500/1000!!!!! did someone say crap shoot...obviously i love this but not when they are hitting straights with 5 7 against my AJ! still took £15 tho so: £22 invested £15 returned = Loss of £7 yesterday i made £28 profit and today £7 loss, thats £21 profit since experimant began. see yaul Tomorrow Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Bongo on July 27, 2006, 12:49:46 AM It's all about the longhaul mate.
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Graham C on July 27, 2006, 12:54:14 AM Nice result at the end :)
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Tonji on July 27, 2006, 01:13:07 AM Keep going Dave you know it makes sense
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: cambo on July 27, 2006, 09:33:34 AM Dave where are you playing these stts? on betfair?....i might not be the best person to give u advice as ive been known to to call ur all ins with qq v aa and win :D anyway....if ur looking for the best structure for stts it has to be tribeca extended games. i know ur not a fan of the software and i dont like it that much either but go where the money is right? these are all i play on the net now.
youve probably had this same advice on this thread already, for the first 2 levels only play premium hands , only play small pairs from late and and try an catch a set, in every game at least 4 players will be out bythe end of level 2 ($10-50 ) if you double up by then ur pretty much in the money , theres so much play cos the blinds are so low and everyone has big stacks when theres 4-5 left and it never turns into a crap shoot. well worth a look Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 27, 2006, 09:46:26 AM Dave where are you playing these stts? on betfair?....i might not be the best person to give u advice as ive been known to to call ur all ins with qq v aa and win :D anyway....if ur looking for the best structure for stts it has to be tribeca extended games. i know ur not a fan of the software and i dont like it that much either but go where the money is right? these are all i play on the net now. cheers mate...one thing i never netioned in my slaughter of Tribecca, is that i actually do think the Extended STT are worth a game, the structure is ideal that it doesnt become a crap shoot, as you say.youve probably had this same advice on this thread already, for the first 2 levels only play premium hands , only play small pairs from late and and try an catch a set, in every game at least 4 players will be out bythe end of level 2 ($10-50 ) if you double up by then ur pretty much in the money , theres so much play cos the blinds are so low and everyone has big stacks when theres 4-5 left and it never turns into a crap shoot. well worth a look 2 other sites that i feel have a great structured STT on them are: A/ Ultimate Bet - i hear lots of great things about there STT, i know Teacake swears by them, but again feel there software is flimsy )one thing about UB i love it how you can 'Fold and Show' your hand if your last to fold, i think thats a great button. B/ Pokerstars - i feel their structure to their STT's is much like UB's, however sometimes the games tend to drag themselves out due to the structure, as you can have 5 players on 3000+ with blinds of 50/100, also i hate there disconnection clock (love it when you Disconnect personnally lol) but hate the waiting around on the 'Time bank' i think if i were to move id move to poker stars, however ive always played on Betfair and im the kind of person that hates change, im set in my ways with Betfair, and at the moment dont want to change. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: mikee_j on July 27, 2006, 11:31:08 AM gonna play 4 x £5 STT's on betfair and see how i fair, this is advice from Silo regardingh playing STT's to build bankrolls ill updates in next hour: just out of interest, which thread is silo's advice in? Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Claw75 on July 27, 2006, 11:46:25 AM That article link that was posted earlier is excelland Dave, where's it gone?! Been meaning to go back and look over it but can't find the link now?! Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 27, 2006, 11:49:14 AM I cant seem to see where it is, its not really an over load of advice, it was just simple words:
have you seen the link on the third page of this thread, here it is again: http://tinyurl.com/gs2pe (http://tinyurl.com/gs2pe) i tried it out last night on my last STT and got 2nd Ginger has doubled her Bankroll since putting it into practise, good read. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: mikee_j on July 27, 2006, 11:56:05 AM I cant seem to see where it is, its not really an over load of advice, it was just simple words: have you seen the link on the third page of this thread, here it is again: http://tinyurl.com/gs2pe (http://tinyurl.com/gs2pe) i tried it out last night on my last STT and got 2nd Ginger has doubled her Bankroll since putting it into practise, good read. just printed this article and reading it! thanks for the link Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 27, 2006, 11:27:21 PM Again im going for the 4 x £5 STT's
first STT i get KK in mid and raise to 120, all fold, then i get AA raist to 100, and get reraised to 210, so i push all in think he has JJ or QQ yes he has QQ and hit aQ on river, im oot! Still 3 others to go! Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 27, 2006, 11:38:43 PM FFS!
other STT i get KK and raise 120 (4 x BB) i get 1 caller, and guy on Button goeas all in for 700 i reraise to 1000, and other caller also calls!!!!! i show KK they both show AK, which means only 2 aces left in deck.......does that mean the Ace missed??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, ace on flop puts me down to 105 chips! Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 27, 2006, 11:45:38 PM the STT i was down to 105 chips ive now built up to 1230 after my J9 hit 994 flop, then my Q6 in BB hit a Q J 6 against 3 players!
on other STT tho i got a short stack all in against my JJ, he had QK and hit a K. so that AA beat by QQ / KK beat by AK / JJ beat by QK Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: vegaslover on July 27, 2006, 11:47:43 PM Those beats are just unlucky Dave, can't help that, but absolutely make sure it doesn't make you start chasing with cards you should really be folding. Them losing runs in STT quickly turn into winning runs.
I also agree with all been said re playing tight. Absolutely vital in STT for early levels. No point being over agressive for small pots. Leave the aggressive for when money is worth stealing. Playing tight early, and only being in pots with premium hands gives that tight image that you exploit near the bubble, this is where you accumulate chips. Good luck, i'm glad to see your giving it a go. Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 28, 2006, 12:07:49 AM came third in STT 3 winning £10
and came in on the bubble in the 4th when i tried to represent the 10 on a 4 10 10 flop, only for him to have 10J lol not a good night : 4 x £5+0.50 = £22 invested 1x 3rd place = £10 -£12 for the night Day1(+£28) Day2(- £7) Day3(- £12) = +£9 profit in total Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 28, 2006, 02:09:45 AM tried again:
STT1 - 7th STT2 - 7th STT3 - Bubble 4th STT4 - 3rd - £10 £22 in - £10 out = -£12 (+£28) (-£7) (-£12) (-£12) = -£3 loss for the trip Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 28, 2006, 02:07:54 PM Damn it.....
played usual 4x £5+0.50 STT = £22 STT1 - 5th when i got in in with top pair versus open ended strt draw and flush draw, which hit! STT2 - 4th TT v KK STT3 - 2nd - for £15 STT4 - 2nd - for £15 - i made it to heads up with 9,100 to his 900 chips and he won every hand with 4 5/7 9 etc etc to win it!!! £22 invested £30 returned = +£8 profit (+£28) (-£7) (-£12) (-£12) (+£8) = +£5 for the trip Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 28, 2006, 03:43:49 PM getting bigger:
4x £5+0.50 STT = £22 STT1 - 7th, with a 3h 5h 8h flop i moved all in with Qh Qc, and was called by Kh Jh STT2 - 5th, A9 short stacked v 44 STT3 - 2nd - for £15 STT4 - 1st - for £25 - won a three way all-in pot in the first level with QQ v 88 v AK on a Q8A flop!!!! - never looked back £22 invested £40 returned = +£18 profit (+£28) (-£7) (-£12) (-£12) (+£8) (+£18) = +£23 for the trip Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: vegaslover on July 28, 2006, 11:09:56 PM keep it going Dave
See, I know it's slow but that profit level is slowly rising!! Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 29, 2006, 08:40:22 PM Ive decided im better to take my results off of the forum so as not to bore folk on here everyday, i did get a 1st and 2nd from this mornings 4 STT's - so im up to +£41 profit.
I will now bid farewell to the forum, from the experiment, and will take the experiment to www.pokercharts.com (http://www.pokercharts.com) thanks again Dave Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Robert HM on July 29, 2006, 08:52:07 PM I was not bored at all, keep posting if you want.
Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Ginger on July 29, 2006, 09:23:17 PM Yeah, I like reading it too, makes me feel like i'm not the only player rebuilding lol
Keep it going Dave :-X Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 30, 2006, 02:34:06 AM You twisted my arm.
My first Blank (4 STT's with £0 return) of the experiment was this morning, but i managed to get it back tonight: This morning: STT1 - 6th STT2 - 4th - Major hand was AQ v A7 and he hit Quad 7's lol STT3 - 5th - various beats STT4 - cant remember where i came, but wasnt good lol This evening: i was cruising on all 4 games, i really fancie i could clean sweep it, but 2 bubbles fumbled the Dream: STT1 - Bubbled - AJ v AQ, then 77 v QK with K on turn. STT2 - 1st - was up and down when 4 handed, but with blinds 200/400, i stole my way to victory, Man people play so so tight when 3 or 4 players left! STT3 - Bubbled - Forgot the major hand, but i was probably ahead going in lol STT4 - 1st - doubled up first level, then trebled soon after, i was CL all the way to end. so: (+£28) (-£7) (-£12) (-£12) (+£8) (+£18) (+£18) (-£22) (+£28) = +£47 for the trip after a dodgy start with a few reds, i seem to be getting into the swing. I know this is premature, seeing as im only at +£47 profit, but we all need goals right? - so i ask, im currently playing £5 STT'd (4 at a time = £22), but at what Profit level should i prepare to move up levels (next level being 4 x £10 STT's = £44) - i was thinking maybe around the +£500 Profit mark? Title: Re: Currently trying out an experiment Post by: Robert HM on July 30, 2006, 02:39:55 AM Perhaps most would say that would be too early to move up.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Wardonkey on July 30, 2006, 02:44:10 AM That seems reasonable, but you should be prepared to move down again if you lost £100 or so...
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Bongo on July 30, 2006, 02:56:49 AM You could always try tank's pyramid as well?
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Ironside on July 30, 2006, 02:58:01 AM 500 seems about right its 100x the buy in
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on July 30, 2006, 10:59:53 AM Interesting Dave, very interesting. Keep the posts coming mate.
Is that pokercharts site any good? I was thinking about looking at it, but I am a member of almost every site on the internet already. The only sites that I haven't joined yet is "Flamenco Dancing For Amateurs" and "The Polish Dentistry Appreciation Society". I couldn't find the web sites to join those two. I am going to have a look at the £5 STT on BetFair later today Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on July 30, 2006, 11:25:05 AM Have you tried the other STT games? Omaha, etc
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Ginger on July 30, 2006, 04:12:02 PM Hope yours is going better than mine today Dave, I've just managed to bubble in all 4 of mine, within 15mins lol... Grrrr ;technophobe;
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on July 30, 2006, 07:28:26 PM Check out the FullTilt ( I don't play there ) site. There is a podcast with Chris Ferguson. He talks about how he turned $1 into $20,000 online. He lost his first dollar at the first attempt, this comment made me laugh " Once I got to around $10, I knew that I wouldn't go broke from that point on ". lol, even if I had five thousand times that amount, I would still be sure that it would happen. The life of a poker fish compared to the life of Jesus. :D
It was an experiment on Fulltilt to explain proper BR management. It is worth a look Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 31, 2006, 02:28:31 AM Hope yours is going better than mine today Dave, I've just managed to bubble in all 4 of mine, within 15mins lol... Grrrr ;technophobe; Hi Ginge sorry but i havent played all day, been out on the piss, its hard to get out with Emily being born......well i say that, but she is 10 days old and already ive had 5 days out on the piss so far....im absolutely pished as i type this message!... great being a dad, even better being drunk after being off the bevvy for 6 weeks Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on July 31, 2006, 11:10:06 AM lol :D These days will settle down soon Dave, make the most of them :D
Keep us posted with the results though :) Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: GlasgowBandit on July 31, 2006, 03:35:20 PM giving this a bash myself playing 4 x $10 STT's on Blue Square - trying the extended ones.
First one was going well i bubbled having built p a stack of around 3.8 k i am in the BB and get to see a flop with my 9 6 off flop came with T 8 9 with two hearts the loosest of the 4 players left best 1000 on the flop I put him on a flush draw and he calls after i go OTT next card to hits a 7 given me straight but just like Dave's luck the 3 of hearts hit the river. The geezer showed Th 5h i don't dispute his bet on flop with flush draw and top pair but why you calling with that in the first place?? The 2nd game was over after 5 hands again playing the way i try to play all STT's very similar to the advice that Wardonkey had given theer is a nut to my left who had raised all in 3 out the first 4 hands I find QQ and i was UTG + 2 folds round and i raised to 160 (4 x BB) the guy who had ben going all in does so againg I insta call as I thought hehad to be at it only this time he has pocket rockets I felt sick as a parrot. On my 3rd game just now not seen any premium hands yet but i limped with 9d Td flopp a full house and managed to almost double up with it. I'll let you all know how i fair. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Royal Flush on July 31, 2006, 03:46:56 PM First one was going well i bubbled having built p a stack of around 3.8 k i am in the BB and get to see a flop with my 9 6 off flop came with T 8 9 with two hearts the loosest of the 4 players left best 1000 on the flop I put him on a flush draw and he calls after i go OTT next card to hits a 7 given me straight but just like Dave's luck the 3 of hearts hit the river. The geezer showed Th 5h i don't dispute his bet on flop with flush draw and top pair but why you calling with that in the first place?? Your in an extended SNG do the blinds are not too hight, the guy is in the small blind, he has you out chipped, you are willing to stack off with 2nd pair on the bubble, why should he not be limping in? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: GlasgowBandit on July 31, 2006, 03:49:35 PM Ooops 3rd game update.
In the BB and get 3h 3c and 2 callers flop comes down as 7 7 3 SB checks I bet 300 matey to my left SB comes OTT for another 800 i think he might have the 7 and think i am in front and i flat call turn looked innocuous with a 9s so i bet the pot and he goes all in he has me covered by a few hundred chips so i call and he has pocket 7's!! so 3 games gone no cashes bubbled twice! knocked out in the other one first I now need to win this 4th and final one to break even. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: GlasgowBandit on July 31, 2006, 03:52:41 PM First one was going well i bubbled having built p a stack of around 3.8 k i am in the BB and get to see a flop with my 9 6 off flop came with T 8 9 with two hearts the loosest of the 4 players left best 1000 on the flop I put him on a flush draw and he calls after i go OTT next card to hits a 7 given me straight but just like Dave's luck the 3 of hearts hit the river. The geezer showed Th 5h i don't dispute his bet on flop with flush draw and top pair but why you calling with that in the first place?? Your in an extended SNG do the blinds are not too hight, the guy is in the small blind, he has you out chipped, you are willing to stack off with 2nd pair on the bubble, why should he not be limping in? 1 he wasn't small blind 2 he had me outchipped by around a 100 or so. 3 blinds are 200/400 - i reckon its silly to pay 400 to see a flop with T 5 Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Royal Flush on July 31, 2006, 03:54:11 PM 1 he wasn't small blind So you check raised all in with 2nd pair then? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: GlasgowBandit on July 31, 2006, 03:56:41 PM First one was going well i bubbled having built p a stack of around 3.8 k i am in the BB and get to see a flop with my 9 6 off flop came with T 8 9 with two hearts the loosest of the 4 players left best 1000 on the flop I put him on a flush draw and he calls after i go OTT next card to hits a 7 given me straight but just like Dave's luck the 3 of hearts hit the river. The geezer showed Th 5h i don't dispute his bet on flop with flush draw and top pair but why you calling with that in the first place?? Your in an extended SNG do the blinds are not too hight, the guy is in the small blind, he has you out chipped, you are willing to stack off with 2nd pair on the bubble, why should he not be limping in? the reason i push is i though he had a draw and i don't think he calls unless - but the fact he has top pair makes this decision easier for him. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: GlasgowBandit on July 31, 2006, 03:59:59 PM 1 he wasn't small blind So you check raised all in with 2nd pair then? Clearly thats not the brightest decision i have made but at the time i thought my pair of 9's where good Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Royal Flush on July 31, 2006, 04:03:34 PM A lot of draws are destroying you on that board though, and he might not have a draw. That board is made hand heaven, 3 running cards. Any hand fastplays that board.
Assuming he does have a draw though a combo draw is highly likely (str8+fd) throw in the pair+draw hands and the only draw you are really that great against is the 2 unders fd. And the Ax fd where he is only on 12 outs. Surely against a lose player you can find a better spot! I am by no means a STT specialist but i am pretty sure War/Tank etc would advise against marginal decisions on the bubble. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on July 31, 2006, 07:38:54 PM I tried this today. I played six £5 STT on Betfair. Did ok and finnished up at the end of the session. The problem is I hate STT, it is the only style of poker that I don't enjoy. I am going to stick with it though as I feel it will be good for growing my BR on Betfair.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 31, 2006, 09:52:03 PM Have you tried the other STT games? Omaha, etc yes but, cant make any money out of it yet, havent read enough of the Omaha basics either, plus i can only single table when Omaha'ing Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 31, 2006, 09:57:17 PM giving this a bash myself playing 4 x $10 STT's on Blue Square - trying the extended ones. First one was going well i bubbled having built p a stack of around 3.8 k i am in the BB and get to see a flop with my 9 6 off flop came with T 8 9 with two hearts the loosest of the 4 players left best 1000 on the flop I put him on a flush draw and he calls after i go OTT next card to hits a 7 given me straight but just like Dave's luck the 3 of hearts hit the river. The geezer showed Th 5h i don't dispute his bet on flop with flush draw and top pair but why you calling with that in the first place?? The 2nd game was over after 5 hands again playing the way i try to play all STT's very similar to the advice that Wardonkey had given theer is a nut to my left who had raised all in 3 out the first 4 hands I find QQ and i was UTG + 2 folds round and i raised to 160 (4 x BB) the guy who had ben going all in does so againg I insta call as I thought hehad to be at it only this time he has pocket rockets I felt sick as a parrot. On my 3rd game just now not seen any premium hands yet but i limped with 9d Td flopp a full house and managed to almost double up with it. I'll let you all know how i fair. Hey this thread is called : "Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment" - i dont see Glasgow Bandits name on the title anywhere, so get your own damn thread lol only joking mate. Sark - i to found STT's to be boring hence the reason i stopped playing them, but if your playing 4 at a time it can take away the bordom, and i have this burning desire to come 1st in all 4 at once, that i cant let die, so im gagging to play them. Did you play your 6 at the same time or all singles? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on July 31, 2006, 10:07:25 PM I played them two at a time. I had a really late night last night and went straight into it when I woke up. My brain wasn't in gear, the Betfair beeper woke me up at one point :D. I must have dozed off. Still, I won the last two when I was more alert .
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 31, 2006, 11:10:46 PM tried 4 again there, not good, altho still profitable, if only just
I came 7th, 5th, 4th and 1st £22 invested : £25 return = +£3 Profit was again doing well in 3 of them, but when the blinds get that big, its all in every 3rd hand just to survive. Short stack making desperation calls and hitting against you with there 2 live cards. (+£28) (-£7) (-£12) (-£12) (+£8) (+£18) (+£18) (-£22) (+£28) (+£3) = +£50 for the trip so after 10 4 table sessions im showing £50 profit = if i play 100 sessions i should hit my target of £500??? we will see Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Teacake on July 31, 2006, 11:16:19 PM 25% ROI is not to be sniffed at Dave, keep it up :)up
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 31, 2006, 11:29:08 PM 25% ROI is not to be sniffed at Dave, keep it up :)up i know mate, ive re-signed up to Pokercharts again, and still have some of my old sessions in it which means my ROI is actually sitting at 27.27%, dont want to change that it sounds better lol Nah the good thing about PC is that you can customise the dates etc, so i can view only the 4 x £5STT results and yes its 25% as i say, law of averages is 100 sessions = £500, ill try to do 2 sessions per day, which means after 50 days ill be up at the £500! so thats what September 19th lol - Yesssss! just in time to beat the Gers! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on July 31, 2006, 11:48:46 PM for anyone who read the post above with the word Hun in it, i apologies prefusely, as i didnt realise it was that bad a word to use, (i have just been informed that it actually is offensive ?????)
there fore it was a joke and wasntment in any badness Regards, your Number one Blonde Paddy lol Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Newmanseye on August 01, 2006, 12:18:39 AM Aye thats terrible you ya fienian!!
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 01, 2006, 12:26:08 AM Aye thats terrible you ya fienian!! right if i get my post modified, i want this too!!! Infact ban the Bar-steward Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Ginger on August 01, 2006, 01:17:07 AM Since when has the word Hun been offensive? It must have a very different meaning up there is all I can say!!
Keep up the good work Dave, you sticking to this is making me do the same :D Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 01, 2006, 01:21:08 AM A Hun is a Rangers supporter.
However a Hun is actually a member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the 4th cent. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 01, 2006, 01:28:27 AM Since when has the word Hun been offensive? It must have a very different meaning up there is all I can say!! Keep up the good work Dave, you sticking to this is making me do the same :D i am Kid, dont worry, we can battle it together, why dont you do some results too?, PM them if you want, we can sweat each other Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: TightEnd on August 01, 2006, 01:30:11 AM However a Hun is actually a member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the 4th cent. Attila? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Newmanseye on August 01, 2006, 01:34:06 AM Since when has the word Hun been offensive? It must have a very different meaning up there is all I can say!! Keep up the good work Dave, you sticking to this is making me do the same :D i am Kid, dont worry, we can battle it together, why dont you do some results too?, PM them if you want, we can sweat each other keep it in your pants man, Janes with Flushy ( apparently ;goodvevil;) Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 01, 2006, 01:41:20 AM However a Hun is actually a member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the 4th cent. Attila? yea, he was the King of the Huns Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: raab11 on August 01, 2006, 01:43:25 AM However a Hun is actually a member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the 4th cent. Attila? yea, he was the King of the Huns do you ever sleep sark m8 Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikkyT on August 01, 2006, 01:45:32 AM However a Hun is actually a member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the 4th cent. Attila? Yea... Its used by catholics to describe prodestants and historically refers to the germanic decent of much of Britain, via the Huns. Wikipedia can be quite useful sometimes! Although these days meanings are twisted somewhat and usually its an insult. Quote European Huns Huns made an appearance in Europe in the Fourth Century AD, appearing first north of the Black Sea area possibly from Central Asia, forcing a large number of Goths to seek refuge in the Roman Empire; then later the Huns appear west of the Carpathians in Pannonia, probably sometime between 400 and 410, which was probably the trigger for the massive migration of Germanic tribes westward across the Rhine in December 406. The establishment of the 5th century Hun Empire marks one of the first well-documented appearances of the culture of horseback migration in history. Under the leadership of Attila the Hun, these tribal people achieved military and diplomatic superiority over their rivals (most of them highly cultured) through weapons like the Hun bow and a system of pay-offs, financed by the plundering of wealthy Roman cities to the south, to retain the loyalties of a diverse number of tribes. Attila's Huns incorporated groups of unrelated tributary peoples. In the European case Alans, Gepids, Scirii, Rugians, Sarmatians, Slavs and Gothic tribes all united under the Hun family military elite. Some of Attila's Huns eventually settled in Pannonia after his death, but the Hun Empire would not survive Attila's passing. After his sons were defeated by Ardaric's coalition at the unidentified river Nedao in 454, the Hunnish empire ceased to exist. The memory of the Hunnish invasion was transmitted orally among the Germanic peoples and is an important component in the Old Norse Völsunga saga and Hervarar saga, and the Old German Nibelungenlied, all portraying events in the Migrations period, almost one millennium before their recordings. In the Hervarar saga, the Goths make first contact with the bow-wielding Huns and meet them in an epic battle on the plains of the Danube. In the Völsunga saga and the Nibelungenlied, King Attila (Atli in Norse and Etzel in German) defeats the Frankish king Sigebert I (Sigurðr or Siegfried) and the Burgundian King Guntram I (Gunnar or Gunther), but is subsequently assassinated by Queen Fredegund (Gudrun or Kriemhild), the sister of the latter and wife of the former. BTW this "hun" bears no relation to the use of the world to descibe Germans during WW1, I think the only relation was to do with a similarity between the helmets of the two armies. Again, all depends on context. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 01, 2006, 01:46:30 AM :D no raab, unfortunately I am an insomniac. 3am until about 6/7am each day. It is a curse
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: TightEnd on August 01, 2006, 01:47:11 AM remember Sark is a forum bot.
They do not sleep as such, merely require occasional downtime and maintenance Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 01, 2006, 01:47:55 AM remember Sark is a forum bot. They do not sleep as such, merely require occasional downtime and maintenance lol. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikkyT on August 01, 2006, 01:48:30 AM oo er!
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikkyT on August 01, 2006, 01:54:28 AM Aye thats terrible you ya fienian!! right if i get my post modified, i want this too!!! Infact ban the Bar-steward LOL in the interests of fairness: Quote Fenian is a term used since the 1850s for Irish nationalists (who oppose British rule in Ireland). It can also specifically refer to members of the Irish Republican Brotherhood (see Historical usage below). The term is still used especially in Scotland and Northern Ireland, where its original meaning has continued and possibly expanded to include all supporters of Irish nationalism and by extension Roman Catholics of Irish descent, many of whom are traditionally (sometimes incorrectly) seen as supporters of Irish nationalism. The term in its more modern usage is often considered offensive and a sectarian insult. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 01, 2006, 04:07:35 PM Since when has the word Hun been offensive? It must have a very different meaning up there is all I can say!! Keep up the good work Dave, you sticking to this is making me do the same :D i am Kid, dont worry, we can battle it together, why dont you do some results too?, PM them if you want, we can sweat each other keep it in your pants man, Janes with Flushy ( apparently ;goodvevil;) Shut up Morrison....its your wife i want lol Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 01, 2006, 04:11:26 PM However a Hun is actually a member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the 4th cent. Attila? Yea... Its used by catholics to describe prodestants and historically refers to the germanic decent of much of Britain, via the Huns. Wikipedia can be quite useful sometimes! Although these days meanings are twisted somewhat and usually its an insult. Quote European Huns Huns made an appearance in Europe in the Fourth Century AD, appearing first north of the Black Sea area possibly from Central Asia, forcing a large number of Goths to seek refuge in the Roman Empire; then later the Huns appear west of the Carpathians in Pannonia, probably sometime between 400 and 410, which was probably the trigger for the massive migration of Germanic tribes westward across the Rhine in December 406. The establishment of the 5th century Hun Empire marks one of the first well-documented appearances of the culture of horseback migration in history. Under the leadership of Attila the Hun, these tribal people achieved military and diplomatic superiority over their rivals (most of them highly cultured) through weapons like the Hun bow and a system of pay-offs, financed by the plundering of wealthy Roman cities to the south, to retain the loyalties of a diverse number of tribes. Attila's Huns incorporated groups of unrelated tributary peoples. In the European case Alans, Gepids, Scirii, Rugians, Sarmatians, Slavs and Gothic tribes all united under the Hun family military elite. Some of Attila's Huns eventually settled in Pannonia after his death, but the Hun Empire would not survive Attila's passing. After his sons were defeated by Ardaric's coalition at the unidentified river Nedao in 454, the Hunnish empire ceased to exist. The memory of the Hunnish invasion was transmitted orally among the Germanic peoples and is an important component in the Old Norse Völsunga saga and Hervarar saga, and the Old German Nibelungenlied, all portraying events in the Migrations period, almost one millennium before their recordings. In the Hervarar saga, the Goths make first contact with the bow-wielding Huns and meet them in an epic battle on the plains of the Danube. In the Völsunga saga and the Nibelungenlied, King Attila (Atli in Norse and Etzel in German) defeats the Frankish king Sigebert I (Sigurðr or Siegfried) and the Burgundian King Guntram I (Gunnar or Gunther), but is subsequently assassinated by Queen Fredegund (Gudrun or Kriemhild), the sister of the latter and wife of the former. BTW this "hun" bears no relation to the use of the world to descibe Germans during WW1, I think the only relation was to do with a similarity between the helmets of the two armies. Again, all depends on context. Mikky why do you always need to get all high and political with us all the time! the term hun, is used by me to describe the Teddy bears, end of. Everyone on here knows me and knows that i mean no harm by it, its posts like this one that makes people think i have other agenda's when i say the term 'Hun' just leave it out and things will be fine. Ironside you, and everyone else on here knows me and knows what i mean when i use the term 'Hun', so please stop jumping all over posts and calm down about it. this is supposed to be a thread about my bankroll, and its going elsewhere now - sometimes i wonder why i even bother posting any'fuckin'more. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 01, 2006, 04:31:25 PM Ok, back to the proper topic on here. How is the BR challenge going mate? I liked Wardonkeys Part 1, is there a part 2 coming mate?
I also read some 2+2 posts on STT. Jesus Christ it is in another language :D, really hard to understand for a simpleton like me Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 01, 2006, 05:23:21 PM As a brief summary Sark
1. Low levels - play tight as tight can be 2. Mid levels - open up slightly 3. Abuse your tight position and go for it (but sensibly) :D Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 01, 2006, 06:32:08 PM Cheers graham.
I am going to stick with ring games, don't you think they offer a better way to build you BR? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 01, 2006, 11:05:08 PM Cheers graham. I am going to stick with ring games, don't you think they offer a better way to build you BR? If you are good! I'm not very good at playing cash, I can't seem to adjust for it and probably play too many hands. At my level and for me, I think stt's are the way to go. If I win I get get around $40 for winning (I've moved to the 18 man sng's) which for 45-60 mins work is great. I can't get this return in ring games, I'm just not good at them. Actually I'm about to move up to the $15+1 ones too which pays over $100 to the winner. I'd like to say mtt's are the way to go but the value I get out of them isn't that great. Last nights efforts for 7th place took me over 5 hours and I only made about $100 profit - not the best but it was bloody good fun. I love playing mtt's, especially when the blinds get big and you have 100k + in chips to be playing with, it's just great fun but as far as making money and building up the bankroll goes, it has to be the sng's for me :) It's great that everyone is different though. If we were all the same, I'd probably earn less from them :D Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 02, 2006, 12:41:33 AM Cheers graham. I am going to stick with ring games, don't you think they offer a better way to build you BR? If you are good! I'm not very good at playing cash, I can't seem to adjust for it and probably play too many hands. At my level and for me, I think stt's are the way to go. If I win I get get around $40 for winning (I've moved to the 18 man sng's) which for 45-60 mins work is great. I can't get this return in ring games, I'm just not good at them. Actually I'm about to move up to the $15+1 ones too which pays over $100 to the winner. I'd like to say mtt's are the way to go but the value I get out of them isn't that great. Last nights efforts for 7th place took me over 5 hours and I only made about $100 profit - not the best but it was bloody good fun. I love playing mtt's, especially when the blinds get big and you have 100k + in chips to be playing with, it's just great fun but as far as making money and building up the bankroll goes, it has to be the sng's for me :) It's great that everyone is different though. If we were all the same, I'd probably earn less from them :D Are you Me, in disguise??? thats what im talking about with MTT's i love them so much Nice post BTW, hope the $15 STT work out as the $10 did Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 02, 2006, 12:55:31 AM thanks, mtt's are great but I don't cash high enough often enough to build a bankroll hence the sng's. I do like the sng's though and the 18 man ones are more interesting and take no longer to play.
It was only $6 games before :D and they don't do a $10 18 man sng - bit of a step up, Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 02, 2006, 01:03:46 AM Loving the thread Dave, keep us updated.
Take a look at Wardonkey's piece on STT strategy if you've not already. It's all good advice. Except perhaps advocating the playing of AQ :D (how loose is that?) If Mikky keeps trying to divert it, give his parole officer a call. ;goodvevil; Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 02, 2006, 01:20:03 AM Playing session 11 just now
STT 1 - I get KK in hand 2 and double up to 2000, then get AK next hand and take another 300, then get KK again very next hand for another 300, thats 2600 and still in level 1 lol STT2 - I find AQ on button, and get 3 limpers, i raise to 150, and get 1 caller, it comes Q K 7, matey pushes all in for 850???? (Into a 340 pot???), i figure he is at it, and call, he has 77, why the hell push all in like that? - anyway he got my chips, so he was correct i suppose STT3 - havent done nowt STT4 - up to 1900 when my 99 hit flop of 9 A 10, matey had AK Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 02, 2006, 01:30:43 AM Cheers graham. I am going to stick with ring games, don't you think they offer a better way to build you BR? If you are good! I'm not very good at playing cash, I can't seem to adjust for it and probably play too many hands. At my level and for me, I think stt's are the way to go. If I win I get get around $40 for winning (I've moved to the 18 man sng's) which for 45-60 mins work is great. I can't get this return in ring games, I'm just not good at them. Actually I'm about to move up to the $15+1 ones too which pays over $100 to the winner. I'd like to say mtt's are the way to go but the value I get out of them isn't that great. Last nights efforts for 7th place took me over 5 hours and I only made about $100 profit - not the best but it was bloody good fun. I love playing mtt's, especially when the blinds get big and you have 100k + in chips to be playing with, it's just great fun but as far as making money and building up the bankroll goes, it has to be the sng's for me :) It's great that everyone is different though. If we were all the same, I'd probably earn less from them :D n1 mate, and well done on the 3rd place mtt earlier tonight. great result. I am the opposite, I tend to be more suited to low limit cash games on betfair. I play £0.25/0.50 2 tables. These suit me much more, I am rubbish at MTT and not much better at STT. I keep trying STT, but don't have the game for it. I want to get a USB connection into tanks brain, then I can start winning them :D Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Bongo on August 02, 2006, 01:32:48 AM Sark, just play what you enjoy mate. I mainly play cash too.
Dave - he probably bets like that because people will call at that level, not because they think he's at it but because they have a pair and they think it must be the best hand whatever he has. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikkyT on August 02, 2006, 01:45:17 AM However a Hun is actually a member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the 4th cent. Attila? Yea... Its used by catholics to describe prodestants and historically refers to the germanic decent of much of Britain, via the Huns. Wikipedia can be quite useful sometimes! Although these days meanings are twisted somewhat and usually its an insult. Quote European Huns Huns made an appearance in Europe in the Fourth Century AD, appearing first north of the Black Sea area possibly from Central Asia, forcing a large number of Goths to seek refuge in the Roman Empire; then later the Huns appear west of the Carpathians in Pannonia, probably sometime between 400 and 410, which was probably the trigger for the massive migration of Germanic tribes westward across the Rhine in December 406. The establishment of the 5th century Hun Empire marks one of the first well-documented appearances of the culture of horseback migration in history. Under the leadership of Attila the Hun, these tribal people achieved military and diplomatic superiority over their rivals (most of them highly cultured) through weapons like the Hun bow and a system of pay-offs, financed by the plundering of wealthy Roman cities to the south, to retain the loyalties of a diverse number of tribes. Attila's Huns incorporated groups of unrelated tributary peoples. In the European case Alans, Gepids, Scirii, Rugians, Sarmatians, Slavs and Gothic tribes all united under the Hun family military elite. Some of Attila's Huns eventually settled in Pannonia after his death, but the Hun Empire would not survive Attila's passing. After his sons were defeated by Ardaric's coalition at the unidentified river Nedao in 454, the Hunnish empire ceased to exist. The memory of the Hunnish invasion was transmitted orally among the Germanic peoples and is an important component in the Old Norse Völsunga saga and Hervarar saga, and the Old German Nibelungenlied, all portraying events in the Migrations period, almost one millennium before their recordings. In the Hervarar saga, the Goths make first contact with the bow-wielding Huns and meet them in an epic battle on the plains of the Danube. In the Völsunga saga and the Nibelungenlied, King Attila (Atli in Norse and Etzel in German) defeats the Frankish king Sigebert I (Sigurðr or Siegfried) and the Burgundian King Guntram I (Gunnar or Gunther), but is subsequently assassinated by Queen Fredegund (Gudrun or Kriemhild), the sister of the latter and wife of the former. BTW this "hun" bears no relation to the use of the world to descibe Germans during WW1, I think the only relation was to do with a similarity between the helmets of the two armies. Again, all depends on context. Mikky why do you always need to get all high and political with us all the time! the term hun, is used by me to describe the Teddy bears, end of. Everyone on here knows me and knows that i mean no harm by it, its posts like this one that makes people think i have other agenda's when i say the term 'Hun' just leave it out and things will be fine. Ironside you, and everyone else on here knows me and knows what i mean when i use the term 'Hun', so please stop jumping all over posts and calm down about it. this is supposed to be a thread about my bankroll, and its going elsewhere now - sometimes i wonder why i even bother posting any'fuckin'more. Dave stop bein a gimp that post was meant to be sticking up for you and show that the term is neither offensive nor insluting! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Newmanseye on August 02, 2006, 01:46:15 AM I think yiu are all gimps personally!!
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 02, 2006, 01:53:30 AM However a Hun is actually a member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the 4th cent. Attila? Yea... Its used by catholics to describe prodestants and historically refers to the germanic decent of much of Britain, via the Huns. Wikipedia can be quite useful sometimes! Although these days meanings are twisted somewhat and usually its an insult. Quote European Huns Huns made an appearance in Europe in the Fourth Century AD, appearing first north of the Black Sea area possibly from Central Asia, forcing a large number of Goths to seek refuge in the Roman Empire; then later the Huns appear west of the Carpathians in Pannonia, probably sometime between 400 and 410, which was probably the trigger for the massive migration of Germanic tribes westward across the Rhine in December 406. The establishment of the 5th century Hun Empire marks one of the first well-documented appearances of the culture of horseback migration in history. Under the leadership of Attila the Hun, these tribal people achieved military and diplomatic superiority over their rivals (most of them highly cultured) through weapons like the Hun bow and a system of pay-offs, financed by the plundering of wealthy Roman cities to the south, to retain the loyalties of a diverse number of tribes. Attila's Huns incorporated groups of unrelated tributary peoples. In the European case Alans, Gepids, Scirii, Rugians, Sarmatians, Slavs and Gothic tribes all united under the Hun family military elite. Some of Attila's Huns eventually settled in Pannonia after his death, but the Hun Empire would not survive Attila's passing. After his sons were defeated by Ardaric's coalition at the unidentified river Nedao in 454, the Hunnish empire ceased to exist. The memory of the Hunnish invasion was transmitted orally among the Germanic peoples and is an important component in the Old Norse Völsunga saga and Hervarar saga, and the Old German Nibelungenlied, all portraying events in the Migrations period, almost one millennium before their recordings. In the Hervarar saga, the Goths make first contact with the bow-wielding Huns and meet them in an epic battle on the plains of the Danube. In the Völsunga saga and the Nibelungenlied, King Attila (Atli in Norse and Etzel in German) defeats the Frankish king Sigebert I (Sigurðr or Siegfried) and the Burgundian King Guntram I (Gunnar or Gunther), but is subsequently assassinated by Queen Fredegund (Gudrun or Kriemhild), the sister of the latter and wife of the former. BTW this "hun" bears no relation to the use of the world to descibe Germans during WW1, I think the only relation was to do with a similarity between the helmets of the two armies. Again, all depends on context. Mikky why do you always need to get all high and political with us all the time! the term hun, is used by me to describe the Teddy bears, end of. Everyone on here knows me and knows that i mean no harm by it, its posts like this one that makes people think i have other agenda's when i say the term 'Hun' just leave it out and things will be fine. Ironside you, and everyone else on here knows me and knows what i mean when i use the term 'Hun', so please stop jumping all over posts and calm down about it. this is supposed to be a thread about my bankroll, and its going elsewhere now - sometimes i wonder why i even bother posting any'fuckin'more. Dave stop bein a gimp that post was meant to be sticking up for you and show that the term is neither offensive nor insluting! Bottom line is, i got Moderators PM'ingf me about it, and its cos it goes into politics, just like the post you posted, just leave it next time mate...cheers Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 02, 2006, 01:55:40 AM Playing session 11 just now STT 1 - I get KK in hand 2 and double up to 2000, then get AK next hand and take another 300, then get KK again very next hand for another 300, thats 2600 and still in level 1 lol STT2 - I find AQ on button, and get 3 limpers, i raise to 150, and get 1 caller, it comes Q K 7, matey pushes all in for 850???? (Into a 340 pot???), i figure he is at it, and call, he has 77, why the hell push all in like that? - anyway he got my chips, so he was correct i suppose STT3 - havent done nowt STT4 - up to 1900 when my 99 hit flop of 9 A 10, matey had AK Is this £3, £5 or £10 Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 02, 2006, 01:56:05 AM Anyway as for the STT's
i came: 1st - £25 3rd - £10 4th 5th £22 in - £35 out = £13 Profit (+£28) (-£7) (-£12) (-£12) (+£8) (+£18) (+£18) (-£22) (+£28) (+£3) (+£13) = +£63 for the trip Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 02, 2006, 01:57:24 AM Playing session 11 just now STT 1 - I get KK in hand 2 and double up to 2000, then get AK next hand and take another 300, then get KK again very next hand for another 300, thats 2600 and still in level 1 lol STT2 - I find AQ on button, and get 3 limpers, i raise to 150, and get 1 caller, it comes Q K 7, matey pushes all in for 850???? (Into a 340 pot???), i figure he is at it, and call, he has 77, why the hell push all in like that? - anyway he got my chips, so he was correct i suppose STT3 - havent done nowt STT4 - up to 1900 when my 99 hit flop of 9 A 10, matey had AK Is this £3, £5 or £10 Always the same level mate = 4 x £5 + 0.50 = £22 at a time Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikkyT on August 02, 2006, 01:58:50 AM U got PMed before I posted. And said as such, so I posted that as you backup. Nvermind. Get back to those STTs.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 02, 2006, 08:29:47 AM Good going so far Dave. It is a slow slog building up but you seem to be finishing ITM on a nice regular basis and apart from the 3 unprofitable sessions at the beginning, are in most of the time now, that's good going by anyones standards.
I have a tracking spreadsheet from twoplustwo if you are interested, you enter your results and it tells you your profit, ITM % etc ec - nothing special but it's free :D PM me you email if you (or anyone else) wants it. Failing that, there are loads of them available on the 2+2 website, I find they come in useful for monitoring things. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: ifm on August 02, 2006, 11:20:00 AM Is there a spreadsheet specifically for stt's?
If so could you send me the link/the SS, cheers. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 02, 2006, 11:48:52 AM There is this one, but it's a bit too much for my needs and I don't want to log all that info but it's pretty good. In fact, on second looks, I may use it :D It seems to use a lot of system resources though - all those macros.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4957046&an=0&page=0#Post4957046 I can't find the one I use at the moment on there but it's basically one of those sheets from the one I've posted and no fancy buttons. I just use a different spreadsheet for different level buy ins. I'll post a link to it later on when I get home if you want it but it's just a simple version of the one above. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: ifm on August 02, 2006, 12:18:56 PM Excellent mate, thanks for that.
It is a bit complicated but hey rather overkill than not enough eh? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Teacake on August 02, 2006, 03:09:16 PM I use the 2+2 spreadsheet & think its excellent!
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 02, 2006, 03:13:55 PM I am rather archaic, I use the poker rooms cashier.
If I have more money than when I started the week, it was a good one. Where's the fun it that you ask? Nowhere to be honest, but it saves me getting gloomy if things are running bad. One of the reasons I like Tribecca at the mo is that you don't have to see how much money is in your account if you don't want to. :D I understand those who like pretty graphs to coo over. Knock yourselves out lads. ;goodvevil; Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 02, 2006, 03:22:59 PM I have no interest in the graphs either, all I use it for is seeing how I'm getting on in terms of finishing in the money/winning percentage. As for monitoring bankrolls, I'd definatly rather not bother. Like Tank, if there's more in there at the end of the week than was there at the start, then it's been a good week.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: ifm on August 02, 2006, 03:51:36 PM I want to discipline myself more, see where i am leaking cash and where i'm winning.
Simple as that really. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 02, 2006, 03:53:54 PM It definately has value if you are playing more than one type of game, and/or in more than one place.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mex on August 02, 2006, 06:06:51 PM I ve noticed the stts on Blu sqr tigtening up since this thread started, Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, you boys are killing my income.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Robert HM on August 02, 2006, 07:31:37 PM I want to discipline myself more Whatever floats your boat mfi Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 02, 2006, 08:36:05 PM I've uploaded the spreadsheet I use. It's from twoplustwo but I can't see it on there anymore.
www.silobass.co.uk/SNG.xls Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Nakor on August 02, 2006, 08:51:12 PM G you could of uploaded the one with all your stats - spoil sport.
Thanks for the sheet its class. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Claw75 on August 02, 2006, 08:53:40 PM O/T where can I get a Team Silo avatar now that the love-in has officially begun!?!
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: takerfish on August 02, 2006, 09:23:06 PM I tried playing like the guy suggested in the article
out of 6 stt`s i got 2 1sts and a 3rd so far :) Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 02, 2006, 09:42:48 PM G you could of uploaded the one with all your stats - spoil sport. Thanks for the sheet its class. No worries :) I'd upload a full one but you'd only laugh ;) O/T where can I get a Team Silo avatar now that the love-in has officially begun!?! I have 8 cows uploaded, you can right click and change the cow number to a different one if you like :D Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Claw75 on August 02, 2006, 09:52:46 PM I have 8 cows uploaded, you can right click and change the cow number to a different one if you like :D thank you! :)up Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 02, 2006, 09:54:27 PM lol you all have cows :D
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: bolt pp on August 02, 2006, 10:22:59 PM lol you all have cows :D can my girlfreind join? ;hide; Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: raab11 on August 02, 2006, 10:30:15 PM I tried playing like the guy suggested in the article out of 6 stt`s i got 2 1sts and a 3rd so far :) keep goin m8 follow this advice at low buy ins and you'll turn a profit no problem oh and welcome to blonde :hello: :hello: ;welcome; Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: vegaslover on August 02, 2006, 10:35:01 PM I'm a simpleton when it comes to records, I write them in an A4 pad then review them later, away from the poker.
Strangely, my worst results are currently in the lowest buy-in STT i play in!!! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 02, 2006, 10:40:42 PM First point - whats with all the cows, i feel like im in Clatty Pats again!! (only Glasgow people will get this joke)
2nd - i actually use pokercharts as previously stated, i will have a little look at this new sheet tho, since everyone says its excellent. 3rd - regarding that article posted, yes its great advice and i took most of it in, i do use it, but also add a little of your own game in there too, you have too, or we would all be robots. 4th - i cant remember this point now, so ill just mention that i think Kev is NOT the big fish we all think he is, and i think he gets a bad wrap a lot of the time "www.Dave-loves-Kivvy.com!!" 5th - Tank - how you fairing over in Sin City, you showing profit, and good stories, or are you just enjoying the social side of poker? 6th - Steph, get back to sevillians, we miss you and i need to know whats happening on saturday, so i can orginise when to come over and orginise with Laz Dave Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 02, 2006, 10:43:05 PM ive just realised that if i type www . blah blah blah . com it actually posts as a link lol
all this time i used to high light the link and click that little globe button when trying to post a link just think that must add about 5 seconds to typing a post, ie 5 seconds of my life wasted, ive posts almost 2,800 on this board, so if i say ive posted web links every 25 posts, that a whole 560 seconds of my life wasted!!!! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 02, 2006, 10:44:45 PM 5th - Definately not showing a monitary profit mate.
I'll tell you Saturday. I'm back now :) Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 02, 2006, 10:47:58 PM 5th - Definately not showing a monitary profit mate. I'll tell you Saturday. I'm back now :) Saturday???? are you coming to hamilton Races too? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Teacake on August 02, 2006, 10:57:53 PM 5th - Definately not showing a monitary profit mate. I'll tell you Saturday. I'm back now :) Saturday???? are you coming to hamilton Races too? Affirmative, I've posted on the other board. Shaping up for a bonzer night ;letsparty; Lets hope laz can get us a few winners 8) Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 03, 2006, 12:04:15 AM Oh FFS, worst run yet!
1/ 9th - Accident with KK 2/ 7th - played like a pr1ck 3/ 5th - no cards 4/ 4th - dont want to talk about! (+£28) (-£7) (-£12) (-£12) (+£8) (+£18) (+£18) (-£22) (+£28) (+£3) (+£13) (-£22) = +£41 for the trip Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 03, 2006, 03:35:50 AM Welcome to the blank batch.
They suck. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 03, 2006, 03:52:20 PM another 4 STT's with £0 return!
Thats 2 sessions in a row (8 £5 STT's in a row) with no money finishes: (+£28) (-£7) (-£12) (-£12) (+£8) (+£18) (+£18) (-£22) (+£28) (+£3) (+£13) (-£22) (-£22) = +£19 for the trip Looks like 19th september if off for the target! - this is so depressing Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 03, 2006, 04:17:36 PM They happen mate. Any ideas why? Is it just an unlucky patch or is it something you are doing? Overconfidence perhaps? I suffer from that, I have a good run then I think I can win any pot I enter - I don't enter more pots, just that I think I have the right to win every one I do go in.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Ginger on August 03, 2006, 04:21:39 PM I did the same 3 days ago Dave, 2 complete blanks (one batch I bubbled in all 4!) Sigh.. :(
I took a couple of days off from it, thought through what I was doing differently and realised that I had in fact started loosening up far too early (didn't realise at the time) I also stopped doing 4 batches for the time being until it comes good again (though it can be really boring) and I've just finished a 3rd, 1st and a 2nd ( got to HU and the doorbell rang, and I had to deal with it, grrrr) stick with it, it'll come good again. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 03, 2006, 04:33:51 PM They happen mate. Any ideas why? Is it just an unlucky patch or is it something you are doing? Overconfidence perhaps? I suffer from that, I have a good run then I think I can win any pot I enter - I don't enter more pots, just that I think I have the right to win every one I do go in. as Ginger said, im getting too loose, playing to many suited connectors (when it aint cheap to see a flop). I was actually thinking about trying another site, as i love betfairs MTT's but i hate there STT, they turn into a crap shoot almost 90% of the time, an example was the other day we still had 5 players left out of the 10 that started (and with starting stacks of 1000 chips that ment the average was 2,000.......the blinds were 500/1,000!!! (this is mainly due to the fact the levels increase every 10 hands and not a set time. This was why i mainly moved onto MTT's and left STT in the first place. altho i dont know what site to go to??? plus i have £236 in betfair and would need to wait 4 days for it to be transfered back into my bank account, so i can then switch in into this new site - and i dont want to wait that long. Man i wish i could get my NETeller account to work, ive tried 3 times now, but still cant sort it out. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 03, 2006, 04:37:34 PM Stars have great STT's, even better, they have 18/45/180 man sng's which generally aren't much harder than the single table games, especially the $6 18 man turbos. Even even better, the 18 man games don't seem to take any longer than the 9 man games :D
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 03, 2006, 04:45:49 PM Stars is excellent, but then again I love Betfair. It is really hard to choose between them, sort of like trying to decide which kid you like the best, it is impossible to do. I think the STT are far easier on Stars than on Betfair, I hold the unofficial world record for 4th place finishes in 18 STT. I wish it was for 2nd places or better still 1st places, it is frustrating finishing no higher than 4th all the time. Maybe Graham is right Dave, you might like these better.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 03, 2006, 04:59:41 PM I've been playing the $6 turbo 18 man ones and they are pretty good. Hoping the $15 ones are just as good to me, but the trouble at this higher level is that I only have a run of about 7 or so before I move back down if I don't cash in them. Can't see me going 7 without one though :dontask:
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 03, 2006, 05:33:16 PM Stars is excellent, but then again I love Betfair. It is really hard to choose between them, sort of like trying to decide which kid you like the best, it is impossible to do. I think the STT are far easier on Stars than on Betfair, I hold the unofficial world record for 4th place finishes in 18 STT. I wish it was for 2nd places or better still 1st places, it is frustrating finishing no higher than 4th all the time. Maybe Graham is right Dave, you might like these better. do you honestly like Betfairs STT's i think there are such a crap shootTitle: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 03, 2006, 05:35:57 PM may as well add some more losses to the list, i decided to play a few sats etc today
so i played the EPT sat - EUR10 = £6.30 MTT - £2.25 STT - £5.50 and sat for the 10K tonight - £3 thats £17 loss from them! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 03, 2006, 05:54:52 PM Stars is excellent, but then again I love Betfair. It is really hard to choose between them, sort of like trying to decide which kid you like the best, it is impossible to do. I think the STT are far easier on Stars than on Betfair, I hold the unofficial world record for 4th place finishes in 18 STT. I wish it was for 2nd places or better still 1st places, it is frustrating finishing no higher than 4th all the time. Maybe Graham is right Dave, you might like these better. do you honestly like Betfairs STT's i think there are such a crap shootMaybe I haven't played enough of them not to like them yet. I have only played in about seven of them. I love the site overall though and the low limit ring games are brilliant Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Robert HM on August 04, 2006, 12:40:43 AM I thought I would have a go on the 6 seaters today, lucky or what?!?
Party Poker £6, played 2, won 1 5th iin the other - $6 profit BPL - $3.3 - played 4, won 4 - $33.60 profit BPL $5.5 played one, came second - $5 profit BPL $5.50 extended - came 6th, $5.5 loss (9 seater) Lesson learnt - keep away from $5 exs, and that nasty Claw :D Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 04, 2006, 12:46:33 AM Lesson learnt - keep away from $5 exs, and that nasty Claw :D She is nasty isn't she. Soon it is going to be like Erik123 for her, people will not want to sit at the same table as her and lose their cash :D. She will be forced to come up with a new screen name Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 01:54:30 AM I thought I would have a go on the 6 seaters today, lucky or what?!? Party Poker £6, played 2, won 1 5th iin the other - $6 profit BPL - $3.3 - played 4, won 4 - $33.60 profit BPL $5.5 played one, came second - $5 profit BPL $5.50 extended - came 6th, $5.5 loss Lesson learnt - keep away from $5 exs, and that nasty Claw :D thats nice going mate, you obviously have the patience for it, i really truely dont TBH, im doubtful if its going to work out for me, it was good when i was winning but its so easy to lose all your profit in 2 sessions. 10 sessions to build up £50 profit and 2 session to lose it....that doesnt sound right to me, if im playing the same level through-out??? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: ifm on August 04, 2006, 02:08:42 AM my last 3 sessions of stt's:-
i play a mix of buyins because you can only start 1 at a time. session 1...........$0.50 profit :D session 2...........$8.00 loss session 3...........$136 profit Each session is around an hour, so a good return lol Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 04:49:45 PM Mother F***er!
i decided to play in the £2/£5 cash game with my last £200, i said when i hit £400 id quit. i make it to £412 and keep playing!!!! make it to £578 and am about to leave when i get As Ks spades flop comes Ts Js 2s - Nut flush with Royal flush Draw, get it all in with a guy on £260 stack, he has 10 J and a J on river fills him up, im back down to £300, i then hit the second nuts and the guys pushes all in for £500 into a £90 pot, i call and he has the nuts! im down to Zero and £0 bank roll!!!! Why the hell didnt i stop at £578? - i know why, cos when i get that close to a round 'Hundredy' Number, i always say ill just keep going till i hit £600! I fucking hate poker Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 04:54:48 PM Ahhh fuck it, ill deposit another £200 and build it back then take it our again, leaving the winning £200 in the account
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 05:04:27 PM Up to £290
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Claw75 on August 04, 2006, 05:06:54 PM Mother F***er! i decided to play in the £2/£5 cash game with my last £200, i said when i hit £400 id quit. i make it to £412 and keep playing!!!! .... Why the hell didnt i stop at £578? why didn't you stop at £412?!?!? Good luck with the next £200! (and STOP when you get to £400!!!!!) Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Claw75 on August 04, 2006, 05:08:39 PM Lesson learnt - keep away from $5 exs, and that nasty Claw :D She is nasty isn't she. Soon it is going to be like Erik123 for her, people will not want to sit at the same table as her and lose their cash :D. She will be forced to come up with a new screen name haha I doubt it! I played 3 STTs last night. 6 handed - 6th, 9 handed - 9th (out first hand), 9 handed - 4th. I also busted out early in a $5 MTT and didn't even qualify for the Sunday freeroll in the 100ap game!!!! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 05:12:36 PM Mother F***er! i decided to play in the £2/£5 cash game with my last £200, i said when i hit £400 id quit. i make it to £412 and keep playing!!!! .... Why the hell didnt i stop at £578? why didn't you stop at £412?!?!? Good luck with the next £200! (and STOP when you get to £400!!!!!) cos when im winning i cant stop! im up to £350 at present Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 04, 2006, 05:13:03 PM Dave, if you can earn that sort of money playing cash games, why bother trying to build your BR using STT?
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 05:15:36 PM Dave, if you can earn that sort of money playing cash games, why bother trying to build your BR using STT? because i cant handle the varience.....plus im playing way way way over my limit at present., im using Money from my Bank account just now, cant really afford to have a bad run Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Claw75 on August 04, 2006, 05:17:13 PM Mother F***er! i decided to play in the £2/£5 cash game with my last £200, i said when i hit £400 id quit. i make it to £412 and keep playing!!!! .... Why the hell didnt i stop at £578? why didn't you stop at £412?!?!? Good luck with the next £200! (and STOP when you get to £400!!!!!) cos when im winning i cant stop! Well then you'd never stop until you lost it!!! Looking good, and remember - STOP at £400 ffs!!!!! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 05:22:44 PM FFs back down to £170
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 05:28:09 PM Down to £0!
lost it with JJ on a 4 3 6 flop he called with 8 5 and hit his straight! so thats my entire bankroll = £214 gone! + £200 from my Bank account £414 Loss for the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAArrrrggggggggggggg! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 04, 2006, 05:29:45 PM Bad luck Dave. Take a few days off mate.
( I just clicked on the report to mod icon at the bottom of the page by accident. Sorry if I have just woken tikay up by sounding the alarm. You are probably all having an afternoon nap in the secret mods room right now ) Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 05:37:07 PM Im a clown, ive just checked my bank and realise i only had £312 available before that deposit, so now i only have £112 left lol
Need to go to the bank ASAP and withdraw that for the Hamilton Horse Racing tomorrow, before the bank take it off me, or i deposit into some other poker site!!! need to use Girlfriend bank till i get paid lol, but dont tell her, im skint for the month! Im a clown lol Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Ironside on August 04, 2006, 05:40:59 PM dave that is another lesson in building a bankroll dont play out side your limits with a £200 bankroll you should only be playing at 10/20p maybe 25/50p and build it up slowly
i know its not as exciting but if you really want to be able to play poker without gmabling thats the only way to do it Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 05:43:45 PM dave that is another lesson in building a bankroll dont play out side your limits with a £200 bankroll you should only be playing at 10/20p maybe 25/50p and build it up slowly i know its not as exciting but if you really want to be able to play poker without gmabling thats the only way to do it but i dont want to play 10/20p poker or even 25/50p...its boring. TBH i dont really want a Bankroll that badly, i look at poker just like betting, i play to win big, and cant be bothered to take months and noths to slowly build small bankroll, it doesnt feel like im winning, it feels like a waste of time Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Claw75 on August 04, 2006, 05:46:26 PM Im a clown, ive just checked my bank and realise i only had £312 available before that deposit, so now i only have £112 left lol Need to go to the bank ASAP and withdraw that for the Hamilton Horse Racing tomorrow, before the bank take it off me, or i deposit into some other poker site!!! need to use Girlfriend bank till i get paid lol, but dont tell her, im skint for the month! Im a clown lol :o blimey Dave!! When do you get paid??! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 06:07:26 PM Im a clown, ive just checked my bank and realise i only had £312 available before that deposit, so now i only have £112 left lol Need to go to the bank ASAP and withdraw that for the Hamilton Horse Racing tomorrow, before the bank take it off me, or i deposit into some other poker site!!! need to use Girlfriend bank till i get paid lol, but dont tell her, im skint for the month! Im a clown lol :o blimey Dave!! When do you get paid??! 2 weeks ago, i get paid again on 18th Aug Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: sharpy on August 04, 2006, 06:27:48 PM Dave, This has been an interesting thread which I've been looking in on regularly.It's quite refreshing to see you openly admit that poker is a 'gamble' for you and I dare say your not alone in thinking like this.What I will ask is this, Do you think that playing without a proper bankroll behind you affects your game in any way,or does the fact of knowing you have got to win to carry on playing(until next payday that is)bring out your 'A' game? In other words are you someone who thrives under pressure conditions to bring out the best in yourself? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: vegaslover on August 04, 2006, 06:40:21 PM dave that is another lesson in building a bankroll dont play out side your limits with a £200 bankroll you should only be playing at 10/20p maybe 25/50p and build it up slowly i know its not as exciting but if you really want to be able to play poker without gmabling thats the only way to do it but i dont want to play 10/20p poker or even 25/50p...its boring. TBH i dont really want a Bankroll that badly, i look at poker just like betting, i play to win big, and cant be bothered to take months and noths to slowly build small bankroll, it doesnt feel like im winning, it feels like a waste of time From that statement Dave the only thing I can take out of it, and I think you know it too, is that you only play for the excitement of the win and will always be a losing player, because you "like to gamble". If i'm wrong I apologise, but you just don't seem to know when to take your winnings. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 06:46:09 PM Dave, This has been an interesting thread which I've been looking in on regularly.It's quite refreshing to see you openly admit that poker is a 'gamble' for you and I dare say your not alone in thinking like this.What I will ask is this, Do you think that playing without a proper bankroll behind you affects your game in any way,or does the fact of knowing you have got to win to carry on playing(until next payday that is)bring out your 'A' game? In other words are you someone who thrives under pressure conditions to bring out the best in yourself? i dont really need to win to stop me losing my money, i always have spare cash, i only have a kind of blow out every few months. i dont do it on purpose to bring out any 'A' game or anything, i just do it when im bored and feeling like taking a wee chance. i just cant be bothered playing limits low enough to build a bank roll, it bores me. i dont crave my payday to get me back in the game or anything, ill probably not bother playing online for a good fews weeks now, even when i do get paid, the main reason is i dont relly like playing online, it doesnt feel like real poker, i much prefer going to the club and playing for real. when i play online i dont really see the money as mine, its all just numbers on the screen, thats why i dont care if i loose it, sure i get upset at the time , but 10 mins later i dont really care again. Its weird, but thats why i could never build a bank roll....i have no concept of money online! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 06:48:41 PM dave that is another lesson in building a bankroll dont play out side your limits with a £200 bankroll you should only be playing at 10/20p maybe 25/50p and build it up slowly i know its not as exciting but if you really want to be able to play poker without gmabling thats the only way to do it but i dont want to play 10/20p poker or even 25/50p...its boring. TBH i dont really want a Bankroll that badly, i look at poker just like betting, i play to win big, and cant be bothered to take months and noths to slowly build small bankroll, it doesnt feel like im winning, it feels like a waste of time From that statement Dave the only thing I can take out of it, and I think you know it too, is that you only play for the excitement of the win and will always be a losing player, because you "like to gamble". If i'm wrong I apologise, but you just don't seem to know when to take your winnings. thats exactly true mate, i do love to gamble, and i love gambling on the poker table, i just get so bored sitting back and waiting for good hands, only to raise and everyone fold, i love to push with junk sometimes out of sheer bordem, which is terrible poker play, but i cant be bother with it sometimes. its funny, but the only reason i play online is cos im bored in the house, and cant find something to do. Im glad i dont have poker money now, cos it means ill not play online through bordem and through it away. Im so so so not disciplined! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2006, 07:19:21 PM Dave, This has been an interesting thread which I've been looking in on regularly.It's quite refreshing to see you openly admit that poker is a 'gamble' for you and I dare say your not alone in thinking like this.What I will ask is this, Do you think that playing without a proper bankroll behind you affects your game in any way,or does the fact of knowing you have got to win to carry on playing(until next payday that is)bring out your 'A' game? In other words are you someone who thrives under pressure conditions to bring out the best in yourself? when i play online i dont really see the money as mine, its all just numbers on the screen, thats why i dont care if i loose it, sure i get upset at the time , but 10 mins later i dont really care again. Its weird, but thats why i could never build a bank roll....i have no concept of money online! Just when im thinking back over it, i remember this one time, when i got my online banking sorted, it made it so easy to get an Over draft, i logged in one morning just as Arsenal were about to play Spurs with a 11:30am KO. I looked to see what was in my bank, and i had about £20 haaaa, so i aplied for an over draft of £1,000 and got it instantly. I then went and put the full £1,000 on Arsenal - Half Time/Full Time priced at 2-1, it was 1-1 at HT and 5-4 ar FT!! - i lost the lot. Thats what playing online is like i didnt even feel any of the money passing through my hands...the worst of it was i ended up doing it again until i had a £3,000 Over draft whick was maxed out, and a £2,300 credit card that was maxed out! I then had to go get a Consolidation Loan to make it one big payment of £450, cos i couldnt pay it back - a terrible state to get yourself into as a young boy of only 21 years old, that was 4 years ago, and thankfully all that is gone now. If what happened this morning happened back then, id have gone and got another £1,000 an went into the £5/£10 tables. At least now i walk away after £200 of spare cash. this is how bad online funds can get with some people. thakfully i wouldnt do that again, i always make sure all the money for bills is paid for as soon as i get my wages, so that if i have a poker or gambling blow out like this morning its only my spare cash im blowing and not over drafts, or bill money. I think what i did back then is a perfect example why the government should be doing something about online funds, to stop others doing what i did. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Tonji on August 04, 2006, 08:32:01 PM great honest posts Dave.
Just an idea if you decide to build a bank roll, how about deposting a certain amount on one site, & only playing on this site when your in the right frame of mind, & slowly build a BR on this site only, have your gamble for other sites, but keep this one particular site as your "slow burn" site, don't set a target, just see how you can build up your account over a long period of time. all the best & good luck Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: vegaslover on August 04, 2006, 11:03:29 PM Very honest and insightful post Dave, prob best you stay off the online poker.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Coat on August 05, 2006, 03:09:15 AM Hi,
Can i say that this thread has been really interesting for me? I have played WarDonkey (and mexico, etc) before on stt's on VC . I have moved over to cash for the last 12 months but this thread made me want to go back to stts. So using the excellent stt article on pocket 5's by Adam aand part 1 of Wardonkeys stt guide, I too did a little experiement. I played 5 $5 stt on stars (maybe not the toughest games, but i wanted to see if I could execute the strategy). Results were (on this small sample) .... 2 1sts 1 2nd 1 3rd and a 4th This gave me a whopping 176% ROI. I wasnt a bad stt player before, but I doubt if I could have consistently hit the money like this. I know it's a small sample but still. I was wondering if part of Daves inconsistency might be the playing of 4 tables at once. It is clear to me that in the bubbling stage, when u spring to life, that you have to have a good awareness of the players at the table. I can't see how can u can track 4 games at once when they start to get short handed. Maybe that's just me getting old. The thing I really do love about this strategy is that players havent got a scooby doo what hands u are playing as they rarely see them as you take the pots down uncontested, or you fold to resistance on a missed or scary flop. It was interesting to note that one player I ended up beating HU said that he liked the way i changed gears, so clearly some better players out there. I always used to change gears with 4 players left, but now my raising reqts are wider. So in summary, this is really a thank you to Dave for posting the thread and to WarDonke and Adam (if he ever gets to read this) for the strategy. Ciao Coat Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 05, 2006, 09:40:17 AM n1 mate
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Royal Flush on August 05, 2006, 10:46:17 AM I think what i did back then is a perfect example why the government should be doing something about online funds, to stop others doing what i did. Maybe they should ban alcohol, cars, fast food and gambling? Just because you have no self control in that area doesn't mean those of us who are responsible to handle it can't be allowed to do it. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 05, 2006, 11:09:10 AM I think what i did back then is a perfect example why the government should be doing something about online funds, to stop others doing what i did. Maybe they should ban alcohol, cars, fast food and gambling? Just because you have no self control in that area doesn't mean those of us who are responsible to handle it can't be allowed to do it. I never said anything about banning it, all i ment was imposing some sort of measurements to stop people from getting into the mess that i did when i was younger.......whats wrong with you anyway FFS!!, No Nooky last night? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 05, 2006, 11:13:42 AM Has anyone read ONLINE ACE?
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Robert HM on August 05, 2006, 11:15:44 AM I think what i did back then is a perfect example why the government should be doing something about online funds, to stop others doing what i did. Maybe they should ban alcohol, cars, fast food and gambling? Just because you have no self control in that area doesn't mean those of us who are responsible to handle it can't be allowed to do it. I never said anything about banning it, all i ment was imposing some sort of measurements to stop people from getting into the mess that i did when i was younger.......whats wrong with you anyway FFS!!, No Nooky last night? It's not just last night, James why are you constantly trying to post messages designed to get people's backs up and be derogatory? I don't believe it is a case of not thinking before you post as I feel there is a an cerebral effort to offend. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 05, 2006, 11:26:13 AM Yeah, Dave was on about how it's too easy to get into debt. A seperate issue from your freedom of what you choose to do with money
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Royal Flush on August 05, 2006, 11:29:35 AM Sorry its not aimed at Dave, and Robert i am not sure what you are getting at, but anyway i will try to explain myself.
What exactly can the government do about whether you do or don't get into debt? Either you need to borrow money or you don't. I am ideologically opposed to government getting involved in matters of economics. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 05, 2006, 11:31:51 AM Quite simple really, if you really need the money, you won't mind filling in 5 forms to get a substantial overdraft, rather than just clicking 5 buttons.
Unlikely to ever happen, people spending money they don't have on frivolous things is good for the economy, and the repayments are good for the financial institutions. I think at the very least, there should be a little bit of debt awareness lessons in school to 16 year olds. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 05, 2006, 11:35:32 AM Sorry its not aimed at Dave, and Robert i am not sure what you are getting at, but anyway i will try to explain myself. What exactly can the government do about whether you do or don't get into debt? Either you need to borrow money or you don't. I am ideologically opposed to government getting involved in matters of economics. My main concern was that basically if you can work a computer, its far far to easy to be able to borrow LARGE amounts of money at the click of a button, without actually having to speak to anyone, a feature that i thought was fantastic at the time, you dont realise until its too late. As i say im not asking for such things to be banned in definitely, or that the government should intrude, just that it shouldnt be that easy. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Royal Flush on August 05, 2006, 11:38:06 AM Quite simple really, if you really need the money, you won't mind filling in 5 forms to get a substantial overdraft, rather than just clicking 5 buttons. Unlikely to ever happen, people spending money they don't have on frivolous things is good for the economy, and the repayments are good for the financial institutions. I think at the very least, there should be a little bit of debt awareness lessons in school to 16 year olds. If the company lending me the money wants me to answer out 5 forms then thats fine, but what business does the government have asking me to do so? What exactly would they ask and would they stop me doing so!?!? I agree there needs to be further education at schools on 'real world issues' such as this, i still think though that people know whether they need the money or not. Dave went about getting £1k to place a bet on a football match, as is his choice, what government implementation would stop him doing that? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Royal Flush on August 05, 2006, 11:40:32 AM Sorry its not aimed at Dave, and Robert i am not sure what you are getting at, but anyway i will try to explain myself. What exactly can the government do about whether you do or don't get into debt? Either you need to borrow money or you don't. I am ideologically opposed to government getting involved in matters of economics. My main concern was that basically if you can work a computer, its far far to easy to be able to borrow LARGE amounts of money at the click of a button, without actually having to speak to anyone, a feature that i thought was fantastic at the time, you dont realise until its too late. As i say im not asking for such things to be banned in definitely, or that the government should intrude, just that it shouldnt be that easy. I see what you are saying. I didn't get the point before. I will still disagree with it though :D I think its great that you can get that kind of stuff done instantly, the world is rapidly moving towards a much easier place to live in thanks to the wonders of the internet. It makes doing so many things that much easier! When the time comes you need a loan all of a sudden for something important you will be damn glad you can get it! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 05, 2006, 11:41:37 AM Quite simple really, if you really need the money, you won't mind filling in 5 forms to get a substantial overdraft, rather than just clicking 5 buttons. Unlikely to ever happen, people spending money they don't have on frivolous things is good for the economy, and the repayments are good for the financial institutions. I think at the very least, there should be a little bit of debt awareness lessons in school to 16 year olds. If the company lending me the money wants me to answer out 5 forms then thats fine, but what business does the government have asking me to do so? What exactly would they ask and would they stop me doing so!?!? I agree there needs to be further education at schools on 'real world issues' such as this, i still think though that people know whether they need the money or not. Dave went about getting £1k to place a bet on a football match, as is his choice, what government implementation would stop him doing that? making it harder to just get £1,000 at the click of a button would be a start! As Tank says the reason no one does anything about it, is because the majority of Banks and Building societies would crumble if it wasnt for interest from overdraft, credit card charges and interest rates! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Hairydude on August 05, 2006, 11:42:20 AM Quite simple really, if you really need the money, you won't mind filling in 5 forms to get a substantial overdraft, rather than just clicking 5 buttons. Unlikely to ever happen, people spending money they don't have on frivolous things is good for the economy, and the repayments are good for the financial institutions. I think at the very least, there should be a little bit of debt awareness lessons in school to 16 year olds. ;iagree; 100% I too am one of the frivolous ones- I'm not long out of uni and in quite a bit of debt- nobodys fault but my own, but what I can say is that when I first started uni I wasnt exactly the maturist of people and when you get all these institutions throwing money at u its hard to resist- indeed I only joined the Natwest bank because I got a free £50 joining fee- now I've got a 2 grand overdraft that I pretty much blew on curries and nights out- who's the stupid one now, hmm the bank for giving me 50 quid for nothing or me for takin out an overdraft that essentially was booze tokens- they're certainly not daft them banks. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 05, 2006, 11:44:53 AM Quite simple really, if you really need the money, you won't mind filling in 5 forms to get a substantial overdraft, rather than just clicking 5 buttons. Unlikely to ever happen, people spending money they don't have on frivolous things is good for the economy, and the repayments are good for the financial institutions. I think at the very least, there should be a little bit of debt awareness lessons in school to 16 year olds. ;iagree; 100% I too am one of the frivolous ones- I'm not long out of uni and in quite a bit of debt- nobodys fault but my own, but what I can say is that when I first started uni I wasnt exactly the maturist of people and when you get all these institutions throwing money at u its hard to resist- indeed I only joined the Natwest bank because I got a free £50 joining fee- now I've got a 2 grand overdraft that I pretty much blew on curries and nights out- who's the stupid one now, hmm the bank for giving me 50 quid for nothing or me for takin out an overdraft that essentially was booze tokens- they're certainly not daft them banks. Precisely! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Robert HM on August 05, 2006, 12:11:17 PM Reverting back to STT results. Further lesson leant, don't play when your over tired or feeling cocky:
Date Finish Profit 03-Aug 1 $8.40 03-Aug 1 $8.40 03-Aug 1 $8.40 03-Aug 1 $8.40 04-Aug 1 $8.40 04-Aug 2 $3.00 04-Aug 6 -$3.30 04-Aug 5 -$3.30 04-Aug 4 -$3.30 Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 05, 2006, 12:54:48 PM Reverting back to STT results. Further lesson leant, don't play when your over tired or feeling cocky: Date Finish Profit 03-Aug 1 $8.40 03-Aug 1 $8.40 03-Aug 1 $8.40 03-Aug 1 $8.40 04-Aug 1 $8.40 04-Aug 2 $3.00 04-Aug 6 -$3.30 04-Aug 5 -$3.30 04-Aug 4 -$3.30 Judging my the profit / loss amounts compared to the buy in, i take it these are 6 handed STT's? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Robert HM on August 05, 2006, 02:04:40 PM yep, looks awful
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 05, 2006, 02:10:00 PM Can't win em all Robert.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 08, 2006, 11:06:57 AM I have been playing lots of STT on pokerstars over the last couple of days. I took a chunk of cash out of betfair and was going to redeposit into pokerstars. The re sizable tables are easier to manipulate than betfairs big tables and it avoids clicking all over the place. My pokerstars BR has grown by $32 playing tiny STT ( $3) over the last couple of days . I don't feel I need to re-deposit now and plan to contine to play the tiny STT until I get over $150. At that point, I will employ tanks Pyramid Strategy to STT.
I was wondering if STT is a good way to learn games other than Hold-Em. I keep planning to learn new games, but in the end always go back to hold-em. My last leap into other games resulted in the reason my pokerstars BR is so low now ( $2/4 Stud= pain ). The opportunity to play other games and learn using a $3 STT looks appealing. Is STT a good way to learn other games or is low limit cash games the way to go? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I know tank and Wardonkey are the resident STT experts, did you folks ever use other games to build your BR? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 08, 2006, 11:11:17 AM Sark, have a bash at the 18 man sng's. The games aren't any harder and the prize money is that much greater. I think the 18 mans are mainly turbos which you may not be fussed about but they are a good game and a great way of boosting the bankroll.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 08, 2006, 11:12:51 AM ok, ty Graham. I will try them later.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Ironside on August 08, 2006, 04:52:37 PM turbo on stars are about as fast as many sng on other sites
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 09, 2006, 11:35:56 PM I'm not so proud that I can't admit my advice was poor.
Pyramiding = pisch. Sark, I'm sorry. Anyone else who has wasted time with this "seemed like a good idea at the time" system, I'm sorry too. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Swordpoker on August 10, 2006, 04:15:17 AM I quite liked it.
Used it for some hu matching to practice my hu play for sng in-the-money sections. With hu I could only play 1 table at a time so it worked quite well for me. I agree that it's not much use for multi-tabling though. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 10, 2006, 05:03:42 PM Claire, I played your even eviler twin on pokerstars earlier. Claw99, she knocked me out of my STT. I went all in with AA, she called with 2,2 and then hit two 2's on the board.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Claw75 on August 10, 2006, 07:35:19 PM Claire, I played your even eviler twin on pokerstars earlier. Claw99, she knocked me out of my STT. I went all in with AA, she called with 2,2 and then hit two 2's on the board. mwahaha - wasn't me, honest! Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikee_j on August 10, 2006, 07:50:39 PM Sark, have a bash at the 18 man sng's. The games aren't any harder and the prize money is that much greater. I think the 18 mans are mainly turbos which you may not be fussed about but they are a good game and a great way of boosting the bankroll. i started playing these the otherday. i played about 8 in a row and didn't make the cash in any?!?!! i kept getting outdrawn ALL the time! was ready to smash my laptop. these 18 man STT are great fun and at $1.50 they are the cheapeast STT on stars i think. although they do go up to higher limits, my BR can't afford any higher. also been playing loads of $3 STT turbos on stars. Deosited $50 and see how far i can go with it. Using Wardonkeys strategy is really good, i used to play a similar strategy but his is perfect! for me at least. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 10, 2006, 08:04:37 PM I can't seem to cash in any of them right now. I had eleven cashes in a row. Now I have gone 14 without cashing. Every time I get Kings, he has Aces, etc. I am getting outdrawn big time. To be honest, I think I have the ability to control the cards using my mind. When ever my opponent needs his card to win, I just know it is going to fall for him. I think I might be mentally controlling his cards and giving him goods ones. I will probably be in X-Men 4 and live in Charles Xavier's school of excellence with Hallie Berry
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Wardonkey on August 10, 2006, 08:08:35 PM Thems the breaks Sark. My record is 17 in a row. I am 0/7 today it's not always a bed of roses!
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikee_j on August 10, 2006, 08:09:42 PM I can't seem to cash in any of them right now. I had eleven cashes in a row. Now I have gone 14 without cashing. Every time I get Kings, he has Aces, etc. I am getting outdrawn big time. To be honest, I think I have the ability to control the cards using my mind. When ever my opponent needs his card to win, I just know it is going to fall for him. I think I might be mentally controlling his cards and giving him goods ones. I will probably be in X-Men 4 and live in Charles Xavier's school of excellence with Hallie Berry lol i know the feeling, sometimes i just know that the 1 outer is going to hit or i'm going to get outdrawn with running hearts etc... sark what name do you play as on stars? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 10, 2006, 08:10:54 PM Thems the breaks Sark. My record is 17 in a row. I am 0/7 today it's not always a bed of roses! Yea true. It is very frustrating :D. Hope things change later tonight, I am having a break now or I will go insane. Hold on, I am already insane. I will go more insane Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 10, 2006, 08:12:19 PM Sark79 mate
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 10, 2006, 09:29:59 PM Sucks being outdrawn, I do sympathise. I find it best just not to get involved unless I have really really good hands. At the low levels you do get the crazies that go all in with anything to try and double up quickly but usually by the first few levels, they're knocked or taking a bit more seriously. People that are left at the FT generally want to win.
Just my experiences :) Hope your luck changes Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikee_j on August 10, 2006, 10:18:59 PM Sark, have a bash at the 18 man sng's. The games aren't any harder and the prize money is that much greater. I think the 18 mans are mainly turbos which you may not be fussed about but they are a good game and a great way of boosting the bankroll. what strategy do you use for 18 STT turbo? sit tight wait for hands? or go aggressive and built a stack quickly? i tend to sit back and wait for hands to play aggressively, however, i tend to find that when i get on the final table i'm usually short stacked and am looking for hands to double up with. how much does your single table STT strategy change to a 2 table STT? Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Graham C on August 10, 2006, 10:47:08 PM It doesn't vary a great deal to be honest. I tend to play tight as I would in a single table but on the first level I'll play decent connecting cards (not 2 3 or things that low but at least JT) where I'd normally fold. I don't raise though, I'm just looking to see a cheap flop, the only hands I raise with are proper stong ones until the late stages.
I don't finish in the money as often as in stt's - my itm percentage is lower on the 18 man games than the single tables, but my ROI is much higher due to the prize pool boost you get. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikkyT on August 17, 2006, 02:10:24 AM Why is this thread still in general discussion?
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 17, 2006, 03:45:41 AM What's wrong with the internet poker section Mikky?
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikkyT on August 17, 2006, 03:48:28 AM Thats where this thread should be.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 17, 2006, 03:50:34 AM This thread has sort of run it's course though. What's the point in moving it now?
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikkyT on August 17, 2006, 04:09:15 AM Hmm has Dave given up? Pfft thats no good!
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 17, 2006, 04:16:58 AM Hmm has Dave given up? Pfft thats no good! Dave didn't so much give up, as decided it was taking him in the wrong direction for what he wanted out of poker. That's ok and is difficult to admit sometimes. He shared with us all why, which took a commendable amount of courage, as to some, his behaviour seemed a tad silly. We're all capable of that sort of thing. I think many of us saw portions of ourselves in Dave's frank honesty. Why bring this up anyway? Do you have have an axe to grind concerning the moving of your thread? Do you feel it may get less exposure in the internet poker board, than if it still had pride of place in General Discussion? Do you feel that you are being treated unfairly? Do you think Colchester Kev shifted it to smite you? Do you feel that some blonde members are treated differently than others? Is Scottish Dave prettier than you? Do you feel there is a massive consiparcy to stifle your creativity? Do you think that the name of the site "blondepoker" is a subtle throwback to arian ideals? Are you just trying to stir shit for the sake of it? If the answer to any of the above is yes then... Here's a deck of cards. 2c 3d 4h 5c 6d 7h 8c 9s Tc Jd Qh Kh Ac Deal with it. ;goodvevil; ;goodvevil; Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: mikkyT on August 17, 2006, 04:18:09 AM I can't deal.
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: bolt pp on August 17, 2006, 05:02:39 AM Hmm has Dave given up? Pfft thats no good! Dave didn't so much give up, as decided it was taking him in the wrong direction for what he wanted out of poker. That's ok and is difficult to admit sometimes. He shared with us all why, which took a commendable amount of courage, as to some, his behaviour seemed a tad silly. We're all capable of that sort of thing. I think many of us saw portions of ourselves in Dave's frank honesty. Why bring this up anyway? Do you have have an axe to grind concerning the moving of your thread? Do you feel it may get less exposure in the internet poker board, than if it still had pride of place in General Discussion? Do you feel that you are being treated unfairly? Do you think Colchester Kev shifted it to smite you? Do you feel that some blonde members are treated differently than others? Is Scottish Dave prettier than you? Do you feel there is a massive consiparcy to stifle your creativity? Do you think that the name of the site "blondepoker" is a subtle throwback to arian ideals? Are you just trying to stir shit for the sake of it? If the answer to any of the above is yes then... Here's a deck of cards. 2c 3d 4h 5c 6d 7h 8c 9s Tc Jd Qh Kh Ac Deal with it. ;goodvevil; ;goodvevil; How many Aspades Ahrt have you had cracked tonight then ::) Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: thetank on August 17, 2006, 05:13:23 AM Good night actually.
Just love to have a crack at Mikky wherever possible. /:-| It's ok, he's my bud (or he was until I wrote that :) ) Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Sark79 on August 17, 2006, 10:20:44 AM I didn't know Brittney Spears posted on Blonde. :D
Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: vegaslover on August 18, 2006, 12:39:38 AM Thems the breaks Sark. My record is 17 in a row. I am 0/7 today it's not always a bed of roses! on a bad run at the mo myself only cashing 20% of the time, was 80% last month..loljust had a run of 4 consecutive bubbles too, each time going out with trips!!, way it goes sometimes. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: Scottish Dave on August 18, 2006, 12:58:15 AM Hmm has Dave given up? Pfft thats no good! Dave didn't so much give up, as decided it was taking him in the wrong direction for what he wanted out of poker. That's ok and is difficult to admit sometimes. He shared with us all why, which took a commendable amount of courage, as to some, his behaviour seemed a tad silly. We're all capable of that sort of thing. I think many of us saw portions of ourselves in Dave's frank honesty. Why bring this up anyway? Do you have have an axe to grind concerning the moving of your thread? Do you feel it may get less exposure in the internet poker board, than if it still had pride of place in General Discussion? Do you feel that you are being treated unfairly? Do you think Colchester Kev shifted it to smite you? Do you feel that some blonde members are treated differently than others? Is Scottish Dave prettier than you? Do you feel there is a massive consiparcy to stifle your creativity? Do you think that the name of the site "blondepoker" is a subtle throwback to arian ideals? Are you just trying to stir shit for the sake of it? If the answer to any of the above is yes then... Here's a deck of cards. 2c 3d 4h 5c 6d 7h 8c 9s Tc Jd Qh Kh Ac Deal with it. ;goodvevil; ;goodvevil; thank you very much for your kinds words Thomas, yes it was kind of hard to say it all, and maybe i shouldnt have spilt it all out on a public forum, but i felt if i was going to be honest about things i would be TOTALLY honest with the reasoning behind it too. it actually feels good that its out tho, it means i can look back and how bad it was and hopefully might stop someone else doing it to themselves without knowing how deep it can get them. Title: Re: Scottish Dave's Bankroll Experiment Post by: SupaMonkey on August 24, 2006, 11:49:24 PM Ok, i just tried this today. First of all i was playing 2 tables at once. The first time i lost both cos i forgot how the $5 people play but then i won the next two. I then opened up 4 tables and at times i found it hard to keep up. I play a lot of HU and i managed to lose both HU situations and finished 8th, 3rd, 2nd and 2nd. My question to the veterans at this is, is it worth me continuing to play 4 tables or should i stick to the 2? i.e. do you get better at it or are some people just better suited at playing multiple tables.
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