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Title: not really a bad beat ?
Post by: lazaroonie on August 23, 2006, 09:01:23 PM
Had an "animated" discussion with a good "buddy" of mine over here in the ole US of A, playing a game at his place, anyway preflop he was a bit shortstacked, and as the way these things turn out we got the money in pre-flop, and both revealed AQ o/s.  And I ended up spiking 4 diamonds to make the nut flush to knock him out.

I dont disagree that it was a wee but fortunate, but disagreed that I had either "sucked out" or that he had suffered a "terrible bad beat", mainly because

1. I was never behind in the hand

2. He was never ahead in the hand.

agree ?



Title: Re: not really a bad beat ?
Post by: Claw75 on August 23, 2006, 09:09:26 PM
i've just stuck this in an odds calculator and you were 2.16% to win before the community cards were dealt.  I'd probably call that a bad beat.


Title: Re: not really a bad beat ?
Post by: thetank on August 24, 2006, 02:03:42 AM
I agree. Definately wasn't a bad beat.

Unless your hand was something along the lines of  Ad Qc and he held  Ac Qh. ie, he holds the ace of whatever suit your Queen is in, and his Queen is a seperate suit from your Ace.

In that case, he would be almost twice as likely to win the hand, and can take that to the bank.  :D


Title: Re: not really a bad beat ?
Post by: thetank on August 24, 2006, 02:14:20 AM

i've just stuck this in an odds calculator and you were 2.16% to win before the community cards were dealt.  I'd probably call that a bad beat.


Pedantic time

Just to point out, that's only when 4 seperate suits are in play.  Ad Qh vs  Aspades Qc
It's more likely that at least one suit appeared twice.


0.74% when you both have each others Queen suits counterfeited  Ad Qs vs  Aspades Qd


1.09% when your Queen suit is counterfeited  Ad  Qs vs  Aspades Qh


1.82% when his Queen suit is counterfeited   Aspades Qh vs  Ad Qs


Title: Re: not really a bad beat ?
Post by: boldie on August 24, 2006, 04:11:32 PM

i've just stuck this in an odds calculator and you were 2.16% to win before the community cards were dealt.  I'd probably call that a bad beat.


Pedantic time

Just to point out, that's only when 4 seperate suits are in play.  Ad Qh vs  Aspades Qc
It's more likely that at least one suit appeared twice.


0.74% when you both have each others Queen suits counterfeited  Ad Qs vs  Aspades Qd


1.09% when your Queen suit is counterfeited  Ad  Qs vs  Aspades Qh


1.82% when his Queen suit is counterfeited   Aspades Qh vs  Ad Qs

hahahahahahaha


Title: Re: not really a bad beat ?
Post by: thetank on August 24, 2006, 04:42:14 PM
So the weighted average is around 1.56% for AQo vs AQo ::)



Title: Re: not really a bad beat ?
Post by: Enzyme_ on August 24, 2006, 05:55:22 PM
So the weighted average is around 1.56% for AQo vs AQo ::)



Looks a good bet then :)


Title: Re: not really a bad beat ?
Post by: BigTomatoes on August 24, 2006, 08:01:53 PM

 so if u are only expectd to lose a hand 1 or 2 times out of a hundred id say its a pretty bad beat when it happens.