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Title: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: luckyblind on September 02, 2006, 04:30:01 AM I may not have raised enough preflop but TBH I want a caller, I am in position and have the best hand. I nearly called as I figured Pab knew I could fold AA or KK here. But at the end of the day I only really can beat QQ or AJ.
Real Money Ring Game Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes Curious George 10474750-60975 Holdem No Limit $5/$10 [Sep 2 03:20:03] : Hand Start. [Sep 2 03:20:03] : Seat 1 : Lucky-Blind has $1,861.75 [Sep 2 03:20:03] : Seat 2 : the lipster has $294 [Sep 2 03:20:03] : Seat 3 : londonMunda has $977.25 [Sep 2 03:20:03] : Seat 4 : dhfdls has $500 [Sep 2 03:20:03] : Seat 5 : epistate has $1,210 [Sep 2 03:20:03] : Seat 6 : Pab 09 has $2,679.25 [Sep 2 03:20:03] : Lucky-Blind is the dealer. [Sep 2 03:20:04] : the lipster posted small blind. [Sep 2 03:20:04] : londonMunda posted big blind. [Sep 2 03:20:06] : Game [60975] started with 5 players. [Sep 2 03:20:06] : Dealing Hole Cards. [Sep 2 03:20:06] : Seat 1 : Lucky-Blind has Kd Kh [Sep 2 03:20:09] : epistate called $10 and raised $25 [Sep 2 03:20:14] : Pab 09 called $35 [Sep 2 03:20:20] : Lucky-Blind called $35 and raised $80 [Sep 2 03:20:23] : the lipster folded. [Sep 2 03:20:26] : londonMunda folded. [Sep 2 03:20:28] : epistate folded. [Sep 2 03:20:32] : Pab 09 called $80 [Sep 2 03:20:32] : Dealing flop. [Sep 2 03:20:32] : Board cards [5h Jh 3d] [Sep 2 03:20:40] : Pab 09 bet $100 [Sep 2 03:20:47] : Lucky-Blind called $100 and raised $200 [Sep 2 03:21:01] : Pab 09 called $200 and raised $2,264.25 and is All-in [Sep 2 03:21:14] : Lucky-Blind : show me [Sep 2 03:21:16] : It's your turn. [Sep 2 03:21:16] : Lucky-Blind has 10 seconds to respond. [Sep 2 03:21:20] : Pab 09 : cant [Sep 2 03:21:26] : Lucky-Blind did not respond and is folded [Sep 2 03:21:28] : Pab 09 wins $877 as the last player standing [Sep 2 03:21:31] : Hand is over. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: action man on September 02, 2006, 05:40:47 AM looks like old pab had AJ or the flush draw to me, don't think he comes firing out $100 with a set, i put him on soooooooooooooooooooooooted connectors maybe 78 9T hearts
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: totalise on September 02, 2006, 05:58:17 AM I dont think he will have QQ or AJ here very often, given pre and flop play.
Your main problem is that the times you have him beat, he will almost always have a good draw, but the times he has you beat you are drawing to 2 outs. Obviously if the frequency of the former is high enough, you can call here, but good players aren't so exploitable in their playing styles, so i guess that makes it a fold x% of the time you have about 15% equity y% of the time you have about 65% equity z% of the time he has gone haywire and you have about 85% equity I am too tired to do the math but you can do some math and figure out what % of the time he needs to be on a draw here to justify a call. When the stacks are deepish like this, I like calling quite often on the flop with KK and seeing what happens on the turn,especially if you have no real plan on what to do if he 3-bets a/i, which is gonna happen a LOT when he leads into you on the flop. Essentially he is playing the hand the same way with a draw and a set, good poker 101, so you are just playing around with frequencies, and he needs to be on a draw here a pretty high % of the time to justify a call, and I dont think he will be. It looks too much like a draw to be a draw, if that makes any sense! Incidentally this is why in these spots I raise more or preflop, makes the hand easier to play postflop (because of stack depth) Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: action man on September 02, 2006, 06:07:27 AM i know totalise is the hand analysis dog and all that but, i reckon you were infront and passing here is a losing long term play
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: totalise on September 02, 2006, 06:16:02 AM i know totalise is the hand analysis dog and all that but, i reckon you were infront and passing here is a losing long term play If stacks were $1k I would agree fully, with the stacks quite a bit deeper, I'm not sure I agree (i think he will have a set here more often then you give him credit for) but I'm shattered, and when I wake up tomorrow I will prolly end up agreeing with you. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Newmanseye on September 02, 2006, 07:05:25 AM Ok i wanna know did he use lube and were you grabbing your ankles??
Firstly if Pab had the set he is not gonna scare you off by moving all in on that flop, He will want to milk you, and take more cash from you. If i had to guess I thing pab was putting you on a big ace and re raised so that only a big pair was calling and you didnt. I would have called all day long there, what other kind of flop do I want with kings? My opinion is you were bluffed. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: luckyblind on September 02, 2006, 07:06:51 AM I think the only draw he could have would be AKh and I have the Kh. Possibly lower sc's and he is playing my hand, with shorter stacks I can see an all in move with a draw other than AKh. I dont think AJ is in the equation as he has called a reraise out of postion. AQh maybe but I think he has a pair of some kind , with the stack sizes it could be 22-AA, with the action more likely 33,55,JJ. I am going to be very surprised if he digs into his pokertracker and posts a complete bluff though.
As I said in the chatbox, gb or set. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Royal Flush on September 02, 2006, 08:08:46 AM I think he has a set here Mike.
He just sees Irish player and thinks "happy days time to get paid" ;goodvevil; Were you playing your usual LAG style aswell? Would have been a good game to watch! Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: luckyblind on September 02, 2006, 03:18:15 PM I think he has a set here Mike. He just sees Irish player and thinks "happy days time to get paid" ;goodvevil; Were you playing your usual LAG style aswell? Would have been a good game to watch! According to Pokertracker I am semi loose aggressive passive whatever that means! It seems to work for me most of the time anyway. :) Funnily enough it is the rarest ranking of all the players in my database, not sure if this is a good or bad thing. Against a lot of players I call in an instant, It was 50/50 in my mind whether he was playing me or had it. I know that I make this move most often with a set but will do it wth a big draw also. As totalise said it is about how often he is on a draw or complete air. I don't think in pab's case it is enough times to call. I know that if the roles were reversed that anybody calling me with KK in that situation is losing long term. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Nem on September 02, 2006, 09:24:26 PM I put him on a set and its a fold for me.
edit: or he has AA. Which is a fold for me also :D Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: action man on September 03, 2006, 02:56:38 AM $50 mike had pab beat!!
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Nem on September 03, 2006, 03:02:53 AM $50 mike had pab beat!! :o There you go Mike, he bluffed ya! Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: action man on September 03, 2006, 03:06:08 AM on my mothers life ive not spoken to pab about the hand. i know $50 aint much but if u want a little wager the loser could give the $50 to poker4charity?
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on September 03, 2006, 03:15:39 AM Cheeky 46 of hearts looks nice on that flop looks nice
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: snoopy1239 on September 03, 2006, 03:26:14 AM Nothing wrong with a fold here. Even if he has the flush draw, your hand is still very vulnerable, especially if he has the Ace of hearts too, which is always likely.
I wouldn't be surprised if he had the set, there's no reason why he can't call preflop with a Pocket Pair and then bet out on the flop. And, if he believes you have a hand such as the one you are indicating with the preflop reraise and flop reraise, then maybe he thinks you are sure to call his huge all-in. Much depends on your table image, but your main problem is he knows what hand you have and you don't have a clue what he has. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: action man on September 03, 2006, 03:30:43 AM [Sep 2 03:21:01] : Pab 09 called $200 and raised $2,264.25 and is All-in that tells me he has no set Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: The Baron on September 03, 2006, 03:49:36 AM This is a definate pass for me.
Pab probably has you on an overpair pre-flop by your reraise and knows if he hits his small set on a low flop he might get paid off big time. So the best thing to do when he hits? Bet out. Absolutely 100% - bet out. Why? It creates the image that he doesn't dont have much - especially by betting out heads up (who'd bet a set heads up?), but more importantly it's a good bet when he knows a likely holding for you and that you'll raise if he is correct about your overpair. Against a worse player Pab gets paid off here for this little move. He has a set IMO. But then I'm a card rack. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: action man on September 03, 2006, 03:52:41 AM come on pab spill the beans mate
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: snoopy1239 on September 03, 2006, 06:57:06 AM There's no way Pab's shoving all that money in with A-J when Luckyblind's raised preflop and then reraised the flop. It shouts overpair, so surely sticking in so many chips in the hope that he either doesn't have the hand that he is so clearly advertising or will fold a big overpair is suicidal and unnecessarily risky.
I doubt that Pab would flat-call Queens preflop. If Luckyblind has Aces or Kings, then he's setting himself up for a big hit. I expect he'd rather define his hand preflop with a hand like this by raising. Of course, it's possible that he had two hearts, but I think Pab flopped a set and made the overbet so it looked like he was on the flush draw, because if Lucky Blind calls, which he so easily could do, he's got his man dominated in a huge pot. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: bolt pp on September 03, 2006, 10:35:39 AM he had the nut flush draw with either a pair of threes or a gutshot straight.
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: NoflopsHomer on September 03, 2006, 12:14:56 PM I think the only hands Pab can have here are 55, 33 or less likely but possible Ahrt 3h or even 4h 6h
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Trix on September 03, 2006, 01:30:51 PM he had pocket kings
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: MrMoves on September 03, 2006, 01:38:37 PM Own up Pab, you flopped the bottom two pair didn't you?
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Pab on September 03, 2006, 02:07:13 PM Curious George 10474750-60975 Holdem No Limit $5/$10
[Sep 2 03:20:04] : Hand Start. [Sep 2 03:20:04] : Seat 1 : Lucky-Blind has $1,861.75 [Sep 2 03:20:04] : Seat 2 : the lipster has $294 [Sep 2 03:20:04] : Seat 3 : londonMunda has $977.25 [Sep 2 03:20:04] : Seat 4 : dhfdls has $500 [Sep 2 03:20:04] : Seat 5 : epistate has $1,210 [Sep 2 03:20:04] : Seat 6 : Pab 09 has $2,679.25 [Sep 2 03:20:04] : Lucky-Blind is the dealer. [Sep 2 03:20:04] : the lipster posted small blind. [Sep 2 03:20:05] : londonMunda posted big blind. [Sep 2 03:20:06] : Game [60975] started with 5 players. [Sep 2 03:20:06] : Dealing Hole Cards. [Sep 2 03:20:06] : Seat 6 : Pab 09 has Js Jd [Sep 2 03:20:09] : epistate called $10 and raised $25 [Sep 2 03:20:14] : Pab 09 called $35 [Sep 2 03:20:20] : Lucky-Blind called $35 and raised $80 [Sep 2 03:20:23] : the lipster folded. [Sep 2 03:20:27] : londonMunda folded. [Sep 2 03:20:29] : epistate folded. [Sep 2 03:20:32] : Pab 09 called $80 [Sep 2 03:20:33] : Dealing flop. [Sep 2 03:20:33] : Board cards [5h Jh 3d] [Sep 2 03:20:41] : Pab 09 bet $100 [Sep 2 03:20:48] : Lucky-Blind called $100 and raised $200 [Sep 2 03:21:01] : Pab 09 called $200 and raised $2,264.25 and is All-in [Sep 2 03:21:15] : Lucky-Blind : show me [Sep 2 03:21:16] : Lucky-Blind has 10 seconds to respond. [Sep 2 03:21:21] : Pab 09 : cant [Sep 2 03:21:26] : Lucky-Blind did not respond and is folded [Sep 2 03:21:28] : Pab 09 wins $877 as the last player standing [Sep 2 03:21:31] : Hand is over. Spoke to totalise about the hand, we both agreed i should have made a bigger lead at the flop, in order for mike to make a more committing re-raise on the flop and in turn find it much harder to pass when i pushed. Mistake on my part, but nice laydown mike. I would have played my big draws like this as well Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: action man on September 03, 2006, 04:06:25 PM ive been pwned :blonde:
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Nem on September 03, 2006, 04:47:27 PM ive been pwned :blonde: ;) You should have bet out $200 otf Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: The Baron on September 03, 2006, 05:09:41 PM ive been pwned :blonde: ;) You should have bet out $200 otf I think pot sized is the way to go, maybe 3/4 pot. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: snoopy1239 on September 03, 2006, 07:11:12 PM Pab's bet doesn't have to be called too often for it to be highly lucrative and, from my experience, the overpair will call more often than not due to (1) being unable to lay down a monster, (2) putting the opponent on the draw (3) believing that if they did have a set, they wouldn't bet so much.
Good play in the end, just unfortunate that he ran into someone that was good enough to release such a strong hand. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Royal Flush on September 04, 2006, 12:05:50 AM Pab's bet doesn't have to be called too often for it to be highly lucrative and, from my experience, the overpair will call more often than not due to (1) being unable to lay down a monster, (2) putting the opponent on the draw (3) believing that if they did have a set, they wouldn't bet so much. Good play in the end, just unfortunate that he ran into someone that was good enough to release such a strong hand. I think Mike misclicked.... Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: luckyblind on September 04, 2006, 03:13:48 AM The bet on the flop stank. Usually with a bad player they are trying to see a cheap turn with a draw (on tribeca anyway). However I know pab is not the run of the mill goon and my first thought was that he was looking for me to raise (which I still did but less than I usually would).
What I should have done was flat call, as I had already got in my head he was not flushing. I can still get away on the turn still but on the odd occasion I resuck and stack him. This is not to say this how I would play the hand against other players, some I break the mouse I call so fast. Thanks Pab for letting me know I was right. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Royal Flush on September 04, 2006, 03:16:00 AM This is the most elaborate way of getting someone to show you their cards in the history of poker!
Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: luckyblind on September 04, 2006, 02:19:01 PM This is the most elaborate way of getting someone to show you their cards in the history of poker! lol, he typed JJ into the chat box, I just thought it would be interesting to post a hand between 2 players that are known to the forum. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Royal Flush on September 04, 2006, 05:10:40 PM Do you call against me? ;goodvevil;
Just noticed the dates for your €1k event, i am going to be in Vegas on those dates! D'oh! Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: luckyblind on September 04, 2006, 07:47:55 PM Do you call against me? ;goodvevil; Just noticed the dates for your €1k event, i am going to be in Vegas on those dates! D'oh! Probably, but then I have never played much cash against you. Apparently you are a bit of a fish. ;goodvevil; Shame about November, the locals were looking for a bit of value :) Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Pab on September 04, 2006, 08:36:18 PM ure assessment of flushy's cash game play was spot on mike, FISHY
as for the greenjokerpoker event ill decide nearer the time, im almost definately going to the EPT tho Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Royal Flush on September 04, 2006, 09:14:39 PM It's true, i would have JQ here.......
You could always delay the event a week, like you say without me there is no real value! Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: In Form on September 14, 2006, 12:01:06 PM [Sep 2 03:21:01] : Pab 09 called $200 and raised $2,264.25 and is All-in Isn't this a string bet? Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: ifm on September 14, 2006, 12:04:33 PM [Sep 2 03:21:01] : Pab 09 called $200 and raised $2,264.25 and is All-in Isn't this a string bet? No, you cannot string bet online. It is just the jargon the HH uses on this particular site. Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: totalise on September 14, 2006, 12:31:54 PM [Sep 2 03:21:01] : Pab 09 called $200 and raised $2,264.25 and is All-in Isn't this a string bet? awesome Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Nem on September 14, 2006, 12:39:28 PM [Sep 2 03:21:01] : Pab 09 called $200 and raised $2,264.25 and is All-in Isn't this a string bet? LMAO Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: action man on September 14, 2006, 03:37:25 PM [Sep 2 03:21:01] : Pab 09 called $200 and raised $2,264.25 and is All-in Isn't this a string bet? i like it Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: Pab on September 14, 2006, 08:53:27 PM Title: Re: Did Pab bluff me? Post by: londonpokergirl on September 14, 2006, 08:57:29 PM u rigging that software again Pab :) |