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Bunch of ********.

Ok, i'll tell everyone my story so that it doen't happen to you.

Basically i bought some aftershave balm from seller 123Louise0_12 back in march. I paid via bank transfer and then she never sent me the item. She even responded to the first email saying that it was on its way, but then starting ignoring my emails. I opened a dispute through ebay however ebay say they never got this. I said ok, i'll reopen it. No you can't that they said, because you can only do that for the first 60 days after you bought it. Great! I know i clicked the dispute link and entered my dispute however i don't know why they don't think i did. It's possible that ebay doesn't like Opera's browser, that's the only thing i can come up with.

Anyway, despite the fact that this seller decided to simultaneously rip off about 6 people, Ebay seemed to do nothing about it. I left her negative feedback (waste of time) and she left me some (cheeky cow). So i clicked 'buy it now' on another item of hers and said i would pay for it if she sent me the one she owes me along with this up front. She ignored me and opened a dispute saying i didn't pay for it, i replied and said i had paid for it and gave the date when i paid for the first one. Ebay looked at the date i said i had paid, decided it was before the date i bought the second one and gave me an unpaid item strike. Great! 15 quid and an unpaid item strike for my troubles.

I left her more negative feedback and then i got about 6 people sending me emails saying that they had been ripped off and they didn't get their money back in spite of the fact that they used paypal. I thought the whole point of paypal was that you could get your money back. I can't stand the stupid thing but i thought the only reason people used it was because of the payment protection thing.

Anyway, i decided to buy some more things of hers and leave loadsa negative feedback basically to warn others. She opened a dispute and said i hadn't paid, i said i had paid by bank transfer but this time i used a recent date (yes this is a lie but ...) and ebay gave me more unpaid item strikes without even asking me for proof of payment or anything. This is turning out to be a joke. If i had genuinely paid for those things i would be going ballistic now.

I know i've been petty and vindictive but if you look at it, she ripped off at 6 people on the same day and occasionally rips someone off (sporadically as far as i can tell) and yet i get banned for what, far less. It seems as if Ebay have decided that because she sells a lot of things, she is immune and can rip people off as she sees fit.

I am tempted to start a website where people can enter the names of anyone who has ripped them off on Ebay but i can't see how i could do it without it being abused etc.

Finally, If anyone lives near Eccles, manchester and would like to post a brick through her window shaped letter box pls let me know, i have her address.  ;goodvevil;

Rant over.

Sounds like you were abusing the system to pursue your own vigilante agenda.

It's a pisser you didnae get yer balm, but what other option do they have apart from banning you if you keep buying stuff and not paying for it.

Having said that, I do agree that e-Bay is pisch.

What a bitch!

I'm gonna 'buy' something off of her too, I don't use my account so I don't care if I get banned lol!

Ebay are useless

Ebay have some funny rules. I was banned from using paypal 2 years ago. I sold some computer equipment to someone in France, dont worry I waited for the money first!!

Posted the goods - thought nothing of it. Then ebay tell me that they said they never recieved the goods and unless I could proove they did, paypal would deduct the money.

Obviously I couldnt proove they recieved it. I could proove I posted it though, but that wasnt good enough. So I emptied my paypal account.

Paypal then took the origional amount from my account - leaving a negative balance. NO WAY was I paying this and after some email correspondence, they closed my paypal account.

Yea, there was a bit of that but surely she should also get banned for ripping people off. They did prevent me from buying anymore of her stuff so i thought that would be the end of the matter, but obviously not.

Wow, that sucks.

You shouldn't send money via bank transfer because it is against ebay's policies (because eBay want you use paypal instead) meaning that if you do send money via bank transfer - you are not covered by ebay's safeguard insurance.

It sucks, but if you never paid via B/T, you wouldn't be posting this thread.

I don't understand what happened here, but you're right, i shouldn't have used B/T.

You should send her a picture of your itchy chin (after a balm-less shave) and see if she can live with herself.  ;tk;

I didn't read that bit. The reason they didn't get their monies is because the insurance claim starts at £15 up to £150 (well it was a couple of years back)

How much was the aftershave balm?

Just shows ow sad and pathetic some people are, conning people on eBay over some after shave balm which isn't worth more than a tenner.

I too have had a problem in the past with some guy on ebay.

I chased him up becuase the item hadn't been delivered and he apologised saying he had been in hospital.
He then said that he had posted the item but all we received was some letter by recorded mail about a childrens playground which was nothing to do with what we had ordered.
I kept chasing him and he just kept saying that he had sent the item to us and had proof.
Paypal eventually intervened, freezing his accounts and refunded only about 70% of the money. (they dont refund for postage etc)

Anyhow this guy was still allowed by EBAY to leave some extrememly derogatory feedback which really upset my Wife.

Well that explains a lot.

The balm was 14.99 + 2.50 for postage. So if they don't do postage and only insure from 15 quid she's pulling quite a fast one.

There you go.

£14.99 postage isnt included.

I'm starting to feel glad that i'm banned. With a b*tch.

Tank, you crack me up.

I've been robbed a couple of times for small items so couldn't be bothered to chase them that hard.

A friend of mine got the run around off some woman in brighton, she kept saying she had sent the goods over and over. Eventually he snapped and drove about 2 1/2hrs to her address, when he got there she protested for a minute until she saw he wasn't going anywhere without money or goods. She popped back into the house and emerged with the goods after a couple of minutes.

How much were the goods worth?

It was for a fancy pair of jeans, think they were about £80.

Doesn't matter, the chance of intimidating little old ladies is worth every penny of petrol. ;)

Great minds, great minds I tell ya :D ;tk;

whatever happened to the good old fashion method of buying things in shops ???

for the sake of trying to save 50p seems like too much hassle to me!!  :D

it's more the can't be arsed to go to the shops thing I think :D

The last thing I bought from e-bay was a Georgian Gaming Counter - that was from an antiques shop in Cambridge, and I definitely couldn't be arsed to go that far, the travel would cost more than the product.

I can't believe people still use e-bay. Seems to me like the most stressful way of buying stuff in the world. I got ripped off big style on my first every purchase and gave up there and then.

IMHO ebay is great, I've bought some bargains there and also managed to easily sell stuff that I didn't want any more for a fair price.  You can also buy slightly obscure things that would be hard to find in local classifieds.  My best poker-related buy was five decks of Kems with the Binions horseshoe logo on them, as used at the 2004 WSOP, unused and sealed, for $100 (about £60 at the time, I think).  These cards are amazing, we still use them now and they are still in great condition.  After I realised how long one deck would last, having five seemed like overkill so I resold two decks on eBay for over £30 each.  So I'm freerolling on the current deck, and I still have one unopened deck.  The majority of people are honest.

Hmmm. I didn't like ebay's attitude to be honest. They seem to be more interested in lettting this person get away with it because they make money. That sort of thing won't generate an atmosphere of honesty imo.

You're right, you can find bargins on ebay but if you take those savings and subtract the number times you get ripped off/something breaks and has no warranty, do you really save. I think that's why i won't use it anymore.

I bought V tickets on there recently and after choosing the wrong option twice the payments wouldn't get there in time for the guy to have received the payment before sending the tickets.

He sent them on trust and refunded the 2nd payment as soon as he got it which means i still have faith in the decency of most people.

I totally disagree with you.

The amount of things I have purchased on eBay and something has gone wrong with them I can count on one hand. I have over 1000 transactions on eBay.

You just got unlucky by not reading the small print although I would be pissed off too. I only found out that it was against eBay policies to send money via a B/T after watching a report on Sky News.

I agree Nemesis, I use Ebay to buy & sell all the time, I've had hardly any trouble, 99.9% are honest, always check feedback, its the biggest clue to peoples honesty.

Fair enough, i guess once bitten, twice shy.

i have ordered two tickets for a George Michael concert via ebay and paid by cheque. I know I should no better but knew I was having a gamble and won't go broke if I don't get them. Keeping fingers crossed that I get the tickets ok.

go to hampstead heath and watch him perform for free

Hmmm….this is going to be controversial...... but maybe we should check out the facts before jumping on the “this seller is a bitch” bandwagon.

Thanks for posting her ID as it gives the chance to examine some facts here………

Seller has a positive feedback of 980.  996 people have given her positive feedback and only 16 have given her a negative……….and yours before you were banned was….er  3 !

Seller has in fact received 1122 positive responses overall which indicates a lot of repeat customers who are clearly very satisfied with the things she sells and her customer service.

Her feedback over the past month contains 90 positives and 8 negatives….of which 7 came from you!!

Now this doesn’t mean she isn’t capable of ripping people off but makes it unlikely. Also by the volume of items sold/selling she is likely doing this as a part time business and so isn’t going to want needless negative feedback.

Going back to the original transaction, if you pay by Paypal you would have been able to claim back the money anytime until 30 days after the original transaction. If seller disputes this then they have to provide proof of posting etc etc

Also it’s not the sellers fault if you can’t open up an Ebay dispute console properly and then don’t realise this until two months later!!

I understand your frustration if she didn’t answer subsequent emails but maybe she didn’t get them either, after all Ebay didn’t seem to receive some yours too!

Once you leave her the negative feedback she’s always going to return it. From then on you are totally in the wrong, as you’ve subsequently admitted, with all the buying of her items with no intention to pay.

I see you left her eight negatives in total…including one particularly nasty final one where you inform the whole Ebay world of her address.

What are you hoping to achieve by posting her address?  Malicious and unwarranted in my opinion, potentially putting her in danger even!

Note I’m not saying she didn’t rip you off (it seems unlikely but not impossible) but, whether she did or not, the situation could clearly have been avoided if you’d have been more careful how you handled the original transaction. After that initial transaction for me your actions lose any sympathy you might have had.

Be interesting to hear her side of the story……..

I stopped using e-bay coz I kept buying tat.

I have boxes upon boxes full of tat now.

Does anyone want to buy some tat?

Well you can't, it's my tat. Bwahahahahah

I love tat

i have lots of tats

Maybe we could swap tat.

I some of my tat twice.

this thread might be of interest Tank...

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=14263.0

Indestructable - as long as the seller has good feedback you shouldn't have any problem.  I've bought and sold loads on ebay over the years and never had any trouble.

1) True, cos i never sold anything on ebay. All I did was buy stuff. Lately people have become fussy over feedback, i had never bothered with it until recently. You can see i have never had a problem with anyone before her and i have been a member for 3 years (which you can check). Also, if she had had more negatives before i bought from her, i would never have bought from her. You can see around 5 people got stung at the same time as me.

2) True, i was being vindictive and she deserves negative feedback if she blatently rips people off. That's the point of feedback. She hasn't ripped off anyone recently, maybe that's because if she rips off one more person right now it makes me look credible, but if she doesn't then people might dismiss me as a loony. It's also possible she wasn't intending to rip others off right now. However, if the first is true then my antics have had a positive effect.

3) Yes, hence my actions.

4) I don't like paypal, i have always paid using cheque of bank transfer. This is the first time i've been ripped off.

5) This is true, why does she need rules to behave properly.

6) Ebay did recieve my emails. She has ignored other people's emails. I have been told in pm's and it's in some people's feedback.

7) Actually anyone can get her address, you just have to click pay by cheque. The point is that now she knows anyone can go to her house to get the goods, she will think twice before ripping them off. It seems that behind her computer she believes she is living in a consequence free world and clearly morals don't govern her actions. What she has done is theft. It seems that because she has done it over the internet, it makes it less severe. It's almost ok and my fault.


Finally,


I'm not after sympathy.

I'm sorry to resurrect a dead thread but the tone of keith's thread has been bugging me all day. No one on this forum really knows me and sometimes i feel like i don't fit in (which is my own fault) so i feel that this sort of a flaming must really influence everyone's opinion of me.

I would like to address this statement,

"I see you left her eight negatives in total…including one particularly nasty final one where you inform the whole Ebay world of her address.

What are you hoping to achieve by posting her address?  Malicious and unwarranted in my opinion, potentially putting her in danger even!"

Keith, the way you write this makes it sound like i committed the ultimate sin. It is completely biased and clearly designed to try and make me look bad. This is what i posted in her feedback.

Her address is; Louise *****, ** ***** *****, *****, Manchester,

Please tell me how this is malicous, nasty and potentially puts her in danger. This sounds like melodrama to me.

You say

"Thanks for posting her ID as it gives the chance to examine some facts here………"

and

"Be interesting to hear her side of the story…….."

I would like to say that i have not lied or decieved in any part of this thread. If i had wanted, i could have made the story vague so that no one could check the facts. Also why would i lie, what do i have to achieve by lieing about this. If you are going to accuse me of something, then pls come out and say it instead of making up half baked, indirect accusations that don't really amount to anything.

I can't help but think that you have some sort of an agenda here. The way you have melodramtically worded parts of your post make it seem as if you have some goal to make me look bad. Yet you don't really bring anything to the table. The only thing i forgot to mention you over exaggerate (that i put her address in her feedback).

Edit note: Address deleted by moderator.

I know someone that had the same thing happen after selling a mobile phone but she was wanting to get a mortgage in the near future and didn't want to risk a bad credit rating. She was totally ripped off.
I have since come across this site http://www.paypalsucks.com/ (http://www.paypalsucks.com/) it has some interesting stories on.

I appreciated KeitheyBs post; I think its good that it occoured to him to investigate the facts a little further than just taking your word for it and slagging the bird off.

He doesnt know you, and he doesnt know her, so in a situation thus is one to  believe the the first version of events with which one is presented.

I dont doubt what you say in your own post, and you've got a right to be indignant about the treatment you've received but this is a forum and i think that the frustration you were caused by the situation resulted in you writting an emotivly biased rebuke of this woman, with the ommission of pertinant facts inextricably integral to her charecter, which KeithyB has redressed with an emeninently unassuming riposte.

I thought it was delicatly and equably worded and affords the seller, in absence of her presence, the chance to be judjed by blondeites(i use the word "judged" in the loosest possble term, its not the securitas robbery) with an impatial insight into the situation in its entirety. 

Yes but how do you use the word    
 :D

The Blonde spellcheckers not working :dontask:

Not that my spellings any good anyway but i got one of them hangovers where you cant even drag yourself down the cafe!

She's not here. Supa Monkey is here!! I say JUDGE HER!!

There's two types of people in this world. Blondes and non-Blondes. She has chosen her side and for that she needs to accept i'm going to judge her for it!!

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time for a poll?

Q.E.D.

Yes MrsLime but the  ;goodvevil; means i was joking.

Edit, as a result of me putting her address in her feedback, i got a pm from a lady called karen (who got ripped off over the same product) and she said she was going to drive to her house to get her product (i asked her to try and get mine as well). I saw that as a positive thing. Also, if people start turning up at Louise's house demanding their products when she scams them, she will stop doing it.

I've been banned from starting polls on other peeps threads

Which is fair enough. The facility to add polls on other peeps threads means that you can effectively make annoymous flames.

That and Nemesis is just a law onto himself who wants locking up  ;goodvevil;

Aha, so you were the mastermind behind sabotaging my poll making


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Not at all.

I just noticed that the facility to do so dissapeared one day, and assumed that was the reason why.

I still maintain summin should be done about you.  :-X

Biatch!!!

Ok Supa…your post accuses me of some things which I’ll try and respond too.

Firstly I have no agenda here, why would I? I don’t know you, you don’t know me.

Secondly, nowhere in the post do I accuse you of lying and nowhere do I question that you never received the goods in question. All my post states is that to a neutral observer she doesn’t look like an Ebay con artist.

My original post is not flaming you and is just trying to point out that this woman may not be the con artist you make her out to be. If you think my tone is bias then I suggest you reread your original post and see how neutral that is.  Your original post leaves no room for any doubt of her guilt. Now I accept clearly you didn’t receive the original item but this doesn’t necessarily make her a con artist. She may be but equally she may not, neither of us know the actual truth. All I’ve done is point this out by highlighting some facts from her feedback to allow people to make their own minds up which I’m sure you have no problem with.

Where we appear to differ is about your posting of her address. Clearly you see this as a legitimate tactic to obtain justice whereas I think it could easily lead to potentially nasty situations that this seller may or may not deserve.

Apologies if, to you or anyone else, if that seems melodramatic but I still think it’s unacceptable to post her address especially when linked to your earlier post about bricks through windows.  I totally accept that you personally were joking about this and are perfectly capable of knocking on her door and having a reasonable conversation about after shave balm but other people in this day and age may not be so well mannered. Plus what if she doesn’t answer, or answers the door and tells you to **** off, what is yours or more importantly someone elses next move??

I guess we just have to differ on the address thing but, hey, this a forum and we don’t all share the same opinions.  But this doesn’t mean I have an agenda about you!

You have concerns about fitting in on the forum but 300+ post would indicate that you’re fitting in alright here! 

You shouldn’t worry about peoples opinion of you based on my postings as I’m sure there are greater numbers who will have read my original post and thought that I’m just an old fashioned fuddy duddy who’s overreacting about the address thing. 

Anyway, I'm not here to upset or annoy people.......….so I hope we’re sorted now, old differences forgotten and no need at all to mention the war !  :cheers:

I reckon Ebay has the odd glitch where e-mails get lost.

For what it's worth, I think the woman didn't mean to rip you off. Her feedback is like 99% positive and that's hard to fake.

Gotta agree with KeithyB that you fit in just fine here. You make excellent positive contributions to the hand analysis board.

Just be prepared for people to disagree with you now and then. When bricks, windows and home addresses are brought into the equation, things may appear more heated in the context, but really Keithy is a hoopy frood who knows where his towel is and bears you no ill will.

Keith, thankyou for your reply which was of a far better temperament than mine. Thankyou for your reply also tank.

OK. I still firmly believe she is a con artist. I have read all you have to say but 13 out of 1126 feedbacks were negative and contained the same thing (the other 3 complained about other things).

"I have been waiting for my parcel for x weeks now and i haven't received a thing. This seller has also ignored my pm's.'

It seems highly improbable that she doesn't receive the pm's of the people who never got their parcel. When i first pm'd her to ask about the B/T thing she responded within a couple of hours each time. Then when i sent her the money (it was instant HSBC -> HSBC) i sent her a pm telling her i had sent the money. With a couple of hours she sent me a message because i had forgotten to add the postage. OK so i did, i sent it and all was good. Then i asked her where my parcel was, no reply, and again and again. I waited 4 weeks and then i left her negative feedback, then she responded to that by saying i was impatient. That was the first response i had had from her since i paid her.

The people who pm'd told me they have received exactly the same treatment.

When i clicked buy it now the 2nd time, i asked her to send me both and that i would pay for the 2nd one when i received it. She ignored me and opened a dispute console. Why would she do that? I told her again through the dispute console and she ignored it. Ebay were being a total waste of space as per usual and just gave me an unpaid item strike. She could have used that opportunity to right the wrongs and as you (Keith) pointed out, she must not want the negative feedback. It can be mutually withdrawn and she could have bartered for this if she sent the two together, but she just ignored me. She knows you can remove negative feedback because you can see that she has done it before.

Finally, if she is innocent then that means the royal mail loses over 1% of parcels internally. I have never sent a parcel that got lost in my entire life, nor am i aware of anyone who had sent me a parcel that i didn't receive. I have not received parcels when they have been posted from abroad (thanks customs) but never internally. I can not imagine that royal mail would lose 1% of parcels especially when you can take the proof of postage to the post office and they will give you compensation (it says 32 quid on their website). If anyone has ever sent a parcel and it got lost then please speak up. 1% is a lot of parcels. According to the BBC 14.4 million items of mail are lost each year out of the 21 billion sent. That is 0.06% and means statistically she hasn't sent enough parcels for one have gotten lost yet. She has lost 13, I guess she must be the unluckiest person alive.  ;goodvevil;

There is no actual physical proof but all these things do not add up. If she had posted it and it had got lost, why didn't she just say so? Isn't that what most people would do.

I wish to make it clear that I reserve my right to take the piss about missing toiletries whenever the oppurtunity presents itself.   ;D

Maybe she did send you the item, but not via recorded delivery. So she thought that you were genuinely "trying it on". But in actual fact, some postman swiped it! 8)

If you were genuinely trying it on, you'd have yourself an uphill struggle.

She doesn't usually go for the rugged unshaven types, and by the looks of what she flogs, a drop of Brut ain't going to loosen her knickers either.  ;goodvevil;

That is 0.06% and means statistically she hasn't sent enough parcels for one have gotten lost yet. She has lost 13, I guess she must be the unluckiest person alive.  

Variance?

Or, she gave the items meant for you and the others to someone else to post and they kept them without her knowledge or she saw an opportunity to make a few hundred quid knowing she'd be fine in the eyes of Ebay given her record. I don't trust the site but I know a few people who swear by it so you pays your money.... I prefer buying from a shop so atleast if something goes wrong they're much easier to terrorise. :)

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