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I think Europe are nailed on to retain the Ryder Cup this week.
I feel the Usa have too many rookies and some of their best players  ( Tiger) are just not team players.
The weather by all accounts has been terrible( v heavy rain) and that wont suit the Yanks, some of the rookies have only just got their passports so theyve probably never seen any rain never mind played in it .

I know there is a little unrest in the European camp but when it gets down to buisness they are great motivators to eachother. I look forward to a great home victory.
Come on Europe

Other opinions?

Is it on the terrestial telly?

Its being shown on Sky. Its also being broadcast on Talksport radio too.  Golf coverage on the radio is usually very good.

BBC has evening highlights

I'll do that then, and keep off the golf threads so I don't spoil it.

Cheers

Can't wait for this. I've taken Friday off work and I'll be there at 7am with my bacon sarnie, cup of tea and the golf on the tele.

The only thing that I think is in the USA's favour is that Europe has the worst captain ever.

Never have I seen a captain less suited to the job in terms of communication and man-mangement ability.

Mark my words, Woosie has a very short fuse and I worry about what he might do under pressure.

All this leads to my feeling that 6/4(only 2.38 on BF now) could well be good value for the USA.

12/1 the tie is also worth a small saver as these matches are often very close.

I fancy the americans to take this as well

the rookies I think will be burning with U S A pride, fire up the sloths that like to treat the ryder cup as a free holiday, and make the team gel.

The Euro team I dont like the wild card picks, I think they were based on sentimental reasons only, Bjorn imo should definately have got a place, and the captain is a real livewire, will likely make strategic errors, piss the other players off, and just demoralise the camp.

I agree with above - Woosnam has not shown the leadership qualities needed.  The best team wins this, not the best group of players.  We probably have the best group of players ever but sadly lacking in leadership.  Lehman has exceeded my expectations of him as a captain so I give the advantage to the septics.

Miserable lot :D

We're better at match play and will win this, we're also more of a team than USA.

From what I have seen the team spirit for the USA is at an all time high which can largely be attributable to the preparation Lehman has put into it.  The jury is out on Woosnam's strategy of isolating himself from his players by not communicating with them (supported by many players comments), his handling of the wild card picks, Monty's comments on Ollie not playing the BMW, etc etc does not indicate a clost knit team to me.

When Europe take the first few points in the opening day, USA's team spirit will rapidly fade away.   Our TS will get stronger as the competition progresses, we are more team oriented.   

I also don't see how you can knock the wild card picks, they've never lost a point in the pairs games in Ryder Cup matches and Westwood had a half decent tournament the weekend of the picks.  I do feel sorry for Bjorn though, but I have to get behind the team that has been picked.

I think you are confusing two issues here Graham.

My views on Woosnam as a captain do not mean that I am not supporting the European team.

That's cool :)  I didn't mean to imply that everyone wasn't supporting Europe.  I do agree with most views on Woosy, I've never been a big fan of his either.

I ahve the day off on friday.... unfortunatly somebody arranged our work national golf day to be on the first day of the Ryder Cup! I'm at college on Saturday and the Newcastle game on Sunday.... BBC highlights for me too then!

Olazabal and Monty have kissed and made up.

Not sure about Woosie but IMO the captain makes little difference to the desire and spirit, we always wanna spank the yanks (and aussies) and i really do feel that is the biggest factor in recent years.
Added to the fact that some of their rookies got in early on and form has been a problem for them for the last few months i believe it will be Europe lifting the trophy again.
Weather forecasts are not good either, one report i heard today was the back end of a hurricaine will be hitting Ireland and Scotland at the weekend.

it's a bit further away than that.

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anyone got any bets on the ryder cup?  i fancy europe with a slight handicap to boost the price a little. dunno about a price yet.

i'm on usa at 6/4

no offense but that seems a very short price to me.

I'm resisting the temptation to bet, but I am tempted by Europe to be leading after day 1 - even money near enough.  First two days are always Europes, it's the Sunday singles we traditionally get in bother with.

100% agree.  I fancy the yanks to sneak it

If you think that then you may be interested in near enough even money Europe on Betfair (1.97)

europe have their worst captain ever

I've had a small wager on Westwood @13.5(12.5/1) to be the top Euro points scorer, for a few reasons.

1) He's coming into some decent form.
2) He's a wildcard so Woosie will hopefully play him a lot(a large factor in this kind of bet)
3) I really fancied Harrington for this until I saw that he's been paired with McGinley(who has been really struggling lately) in practice.

every five minutes I change my mind about who I think will win this.

It all comes down to how the rookies perform for the US.  If they can stand the pressure, then I think they will win it.


PS - Woosnam is a complete fanny

yeah I@ll have me some of that...maybe a combo with celtic to beat rangers (5-6)

I quite like the Westwood top scorer myself.

I'll be concentrating mainly on the Valero Texas Open as there is no value in betting on the ryder cup. Shopped around and got best each-way prices on Bart Bryant, Joe Ogilvie, Charley Hoffman and Deisuke Marayama.

This tournament will live long in the memory as it wasn't long after i had started betting on Golf that i picked Tommy Armour III each way for this tournament in 2003 at 400/1, he won it shooting a record low 72-hole score on the PGA tour and despite starting the final round some 6 or 7 shots clear, i still had a friend text me updates from Sky's coverage as i had gone to play the final event at the Grosvenor Salford's festival (before they went self-deal) and made the final table of the £50 rebuy - one of only two results that appear on my database on the hendon mob's site!! Won £310 playing poker and over £5k on the golf :)

I kinda think woosie will be a good captain but he is clearly on edge over the last few weeks in regards to dealing with the press. He seems very tense and mumbling alot.

i think it will be close, but Europe should edge it.

My bets are:

£50 on      Europe - 1.5                          priced @ 2.24 = £64
£10 on      Europe 14.5 - 13.5 USA           Priced @ 10.5 = £95
£10 on      Monty to be Top European       Priced @ 8.8 = £78

Obviously i cant win all three bets, only can can come up.

Ill say my best hope is Europe by 2 points.

No bets at the moment but will probably have a few in running. I'm just looking forward to what for me is a brilliant event.

Actually I have had a bet now.

This is a great special offer from Jennings bookmakers and is only available over the phones. The will lay you Europe at 11/10 to new telephone clients up to a maximum stake of £250.

They are also giving new phone customers a free bet up to the value of £30 depending I think on your initial stake.

If anyone wants to take up this offer the number is 0500521421.


Thanks

Here's an interesting bet to have for the Ryder Cup.

Have a bet on the tie at 13 (leave an order up at 13.5 even, it's sure to get matched).

Then as soon as play starts put an order up to lay the tie at whatever price apppeals.

I think I'm going to offer 7 for double my stake..therefore I am trying to get an even money winner that the tie trades at 6/1 or less sometime during play.

Virtually every Ryder cup is tight coming down to the last 2 or 3 singles matches on Sunday afternoon. If this happens again the money will be locked up!

One of our customers has just been over to the K Club for the practice rounds on a corp jolly and apparently Karlsson is playing superb,  his driving is pin point accurate and he's carrying over 300 yards.  If he gets the nod for the first couple of days and doesn't sit out, he could be a good points earner.

crickey thanks for that...I'll have me some of that :)

I've not a great interest or knowledge in Golf, but I have a free £5 bet from Betfair, any ideas??

This is great, I'm loving the Ryder Cup again.  Best two moments so far 1) the reception for Darren Clarke on the first - amazing, I nearly shed a tear myself, and 2) Darren's putt to win the match on 18.

2 and a half more days of this :D

Feel sorry for Vaughn Taylor - the only player not to play in day 1.  You'd be a bit gutted wouldn't you :D

Good to see Monty having a better afternoon, bit poor this morning. Some nice norkage about too :D

lol yeah, that reception was absolutely amazing! Also a big A++++ for micklesons wife.. top norkage so far

At last, someone who has their priorities right.

Birds first, birdies second. :)

:)up  Tigers missus aint too shabby either ;)

I think a lot of you may have missjudged Woosies capabilities as captain, hes doing a great job.
Shame on you doubters
Come on Europe

no shame, I was one of the doubters. I am allowed to have an opinion.

And also admit that I was wrong....  8)

Me too - my opinion changed after hearing his speech at the opening ceremony.

 ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; The Irish Crowd. Utterly Awesome.

LOL at all the people slating Woosie and thinking the great US of A would win because of the European Captain. (muppets)   He had done a great job and this probably the best EU team ever.   El Nino really shows his class in the Ryder Cup.  Shame he couldn't play like that during the year.   He's even putting well  lol

Only 4  1/2 pts for the win

It aint over yet

It is!

it aint

I think we will win this now.  Garcia, Donald and Clarke are in great form and should win their games and that only leaves 1.5 points from the other 9. 

what odds will you give me Kev?

I think the singles line up is very encouraging, i just can't see the septics winning more than 2!!!

11:15AM Montgomerie (EUR) vs. Toms (US)
11:27AM Garcia (EUR) vs. Cink (US)
11:39AM Casey (EUR) vs. Furyk (US)
11:51AM Karlsson (EUR) vs. Woods (US)
12:03PM Donald (EUR) vs. Campbell (US)
12:15PM McGinley (EUR) vs. Henry (US)
12:27PM Clarke (EUR) vs. Johnson (US)
12:39PM Stenson (EUR) vs. Taylor (US)
12:51PM Howell (EUR) vs. Wetterich (US)
1:03PM Olazábal (EUR) vs. Mickelson (US)
1:15PM Westwood (EUR) vs. DiMarco (US)
1:27PM Harrington (EUR) vs. Verplank (US)

it might not be over but lets' just say I am happy I took that 11-10 :)

Did you see Woods caddy drop his 9 iron in the lake :D  Woods laughed too :D

LMAO

Game over!

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your boys took ONE HELL OF A BEATING




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" IT IS NOW "

Bloody hell that was emotional.

Totally outclassed them in every department

 rotflmfao

Classic Bood  :D

My friend is a bit disgruntled to see his correct score 19-9 bet scuppered by mcginley conceding that putt to JJ henry.

I thought USA were overpriced so my money went down the pan.

Bit of an anti climax as unfortunately the USA team were frankly rubbish.

Unfortunate for your mate but thats why you should never bet the correct score in these matches.

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She really doesn't look happy.

Genius.  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

 ;sexybanana;

Get in there !

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Ill take that!

Checked my accout over here in germany and had 109 GBP

i decided to lump it all on New York Yankees last night to beat Tampa Bay by 2 clear runs, priced at an amazing price of 2.08 (roughly)

considering TB are 33.5 games Behind i couldnt believe that price......

......NYY humped TB 16-1 last night lol (8-0 up after 1.5 innings)

and now my account is about 230 GBP

gonna lump it all on NYY again to beat Baltamore who are 26 games behind, and NYY are back at home!