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Full Tilt Poker Game #1263629059: Table Carl - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:26:20 ET - 2006/11/17
Seat 1: imyrhklberry ($39.60)
Seat 2: DJSTPATRICK ($19.55)
Seat 3: littlefalcon ($26.45)
Seat 4: newmanseye ($22.10)
Seat 5: younggunkaze ($18.55)
Seat 6: mc619pgh ($21.50)
Seat 7: trubl4m ($12.30)
Seat 8: GUMBY22 ($10)
Seat 9: johngolf1 ($10)
imyrhklberry posts the small blind of $0.10
DJSTPATRICK posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to newmanseye [Kd Kh]
littlefalcon folds
newmanseye raises to $0.75
younggunkaze folds
mc619pgh calls $0.75
trubl4m folds
imyrhklberry folds
DJSTPATRICK folds
*** FLOP *** [5c 8c Ts]
newmanseye bets $1.85
mc619pgh calls $1.85
*** TURN *** [5c 8c Ts] [7h]
newmanseye bets $5.55
mc619pgh raises to $18.90, and is all in


Right here I think I'm beat, yet i'm not sure, i just plonked my arse on the seat so no info an any of the players, Can I really fold here?

Your pre flop raise is shocking! for $0.75they could be playing any connector, 1-2 gappers with potential.  Your KK is going to be vulnerable on the flop anyway.  If you think you're beat you could think of a Dale pass and give it up but you've put almost a 3rd of your stack in but if you are up against J9 you're drawing dead already.

Personally Id have liked to stick it in on the flop.

you would open jam $21.35 into a pot of $1.85?

?!?! Nearly 90 x BB - bit excessive don't you think?

As for the question - the 'no info' is the real problem here isn't it?

If he's any good I'd put him on the J9, so a fold

but if he was a bit more mediocre I could well believe top pair or over pair - so worth a call.

In the absence of any information I'd fold, but my cash game is a bit suspect, so that might not be the 'right' thing. :)

With no information in a cash game, that's an easy fold for me.

Now you make an interesting point, folding the KK on a 10 high board because i dont have any info.  I was inclined to call because I had no info and it was a 10 high board. ( i did call BTW, and I should have folded)

Should this be a standard play i should integrate to my game?

no

getting into the habit of folding overpairs at this level is gonna cost you a hell of a lot of missed profit.

well, the board by turn is pretty coordinated and there are various hands that have you beaten.

10 4 2 8 is a different from 5 8 10 7

reading textures of board is an important factor in playing your game.

imyrhklberry posts the small blind of $0.10
DJSTPATRICK posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to newmanseye [Kd Kh]

newmanseye raises to $0.75
mc619pgh calls $0.75


*** FLOP *** [5c 8c Ts]
newmanseye bets $1.85
mc619pgh calls $1.85
*** TURN *** [5c 8c Ts] [7h]
newmanseye bets $5.55
mc619pgh raises to $18.90, and is all in
newmanseye calls $13.35
mc619pgh shows [5h 5d]
newmanseye shows [Kd Kh]
*** RIVER *** [5c 8c Ts 7h] [9d]
mc619pgh shows three of a kind, Fives
newmanseye shows a pair of Kings
mc619pgh wins the pot ($41.20) with three of a kind, Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43.35 | Rake $2.15
Board: [5c 8c Ts 7h 9d]

Seat 4: newmanseye showed [Kd Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings

Seat 6: mc619pgh showed [5h 5d] and won ($41.20) with three of a kind, Fives


He flopped his set and had me beat on the flop, however I was sure i was beat when he pushed,  Then i managed to convince myself he had something like J10 or A10.

The turn reraise push seems to be a particular move i see with a set on a dangerous board, id this a common occurrance for anyone else?

yes pretty common in lower stakes,
i am suprised he did not re-raise you on the flop though, they usually do

 :D I did say my cash game was suspect - but - this is just for when you first sit down when you don't know what the other players are capable of. I would have thought that it's unlikely that you're going to be in the same situation again for a good few hands, more than enough time to make a more informed judgement by that time.

Is it definitely wrong to fold what could be the winning hand, primarily because you lack info on your opponent? This is a genuine query because my cash game does need much improvement. :)

I used to see this all the time on the $0.50/$1 games on Pacific.  Any time I was facing a large raise or push on the turn or river I was almost always beaten when holding a TPTK hand.  I found that large bets/raises usually meant big hands not bluffs.  At the end of the day you have a pair and unless you have a read on your opponent that tells you he is bluffing or a maniac you should fold.   

I ended up quitting NL cash games because I was not able to fold these sort of hands.

No it's not wrong to fold, and often right as most low limit players will bet big. I agree with earlier post that preflop raise was not big enough, which attracts these raggy calls.
Top pair alone is rarely enough in cash games, especially at these limits.

Well........no,not after raising it to $0.75 pre flop and getting 1 caller but Id def have raised more pre flop and played it a lot stronger.  When he pushes the turn you're only beating TPTK and a total bluff, if you dont have info on your opponent its safer to fold.

Raise a bit more pre flop. I don't understand the size of your flop and bets. Why are you betting so much more than what's in the pot?

I don't think folding the turn is automatic but it would be easier with more info on the villain and if you exercised some pot control.