Title: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: Newmanseye on November 18, 2006, 03:33:23 AM Full Tilt Poker Game #1263629059: Table Carl - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:26:20 ET - 2006/11/17
Seat 1: imyrhklberry ($39.60) Seat 2: DJSTPATRICK ($19.55) Seat 3: littlefalcon ($26.45) Seat 4: newmanseye ($22.10) Seat 5: younggunkaze ($18.55) Seat 6: mc619pgh ($21.50) Seat 7: trubl4m ($12.30) Seat 8: GUMBY22 ($10) Seat 9: johngolf1 ($10) imyrhklberry posts the small blind of $0.10 DJSTPATRICK posts the big blind of $0.25 The button is in seat #7 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to newmanseye [Kd Kh] littlefalcon folds newmanseye raises to $0.75 younggunkaze folds mc619pgh calls $0.75 trubl4m folds imyrhklberry folds DJSTPATRICK folds *** FLOP *** [5c 8c Ts] newmanseye bets $1.85 mc619pgh calls $1.85 *** TURN *** [5c 8c Ts] [7h] newmanseye bets $5.55 mc619pgh raises to $18.90, and is all in Right here I think I'm beat, yet i'm not sure, i just plonked my arse on the seat so no info an any of the players, Can I really fold here? Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: Boba Fett on November 18, 2006, 10:08:09 AM Your pre flop raise is shocking! for $0.75they could be playing any connector, 1-2 gappers with potential. Your KK is going to be vulnerable on the flop anyway. If you think you're beat you could think of a Dale pass and give it up but you've put almost a 3rd of your stack in but if you are up against J9 you're drawing dead already.
Personally Id have liked to stick it in on the flop. Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: totalise on November 18, 2006, 10:15:55 AM you would open jam $21.35 into a pot of $1.85? Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: Jon MW on November 18, 2006, 10:17:10 AM Your pre flop raise is shocking! for $0.75they could be playing any connector, 1-2 gappers with potential. Your KK is going to be vulnerable on the flop anyway. If you think you're beat you could think of a Dale pass and give it up but you've put almost a 3rd of your stack in but if you are up against J9 you're drawing dead already. Personally Id have liked to stick it in on the flop. ?!?! Nearly 90 x BB - bit excessive don't you think? Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: Jon MW on November 18, 2006, 10:21:41 AM As for the question - the 'no info' is the real problem here isn't it?
If he's any good I'd put him on the J9, so a fold but if he was a bit more mediocre I could well believe top pair or over pair - so worth a call. In the absence of any information I'd fold, but my cash game is a bit suspect, so that might not be the 'right' thing. :) Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: kinboshi on November 18, 2006, 10:43:15 AM With no information in a cash game, that's an easy fold for me.
Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: Newmanseye on November 18, 2006, 02:02:31 PM As for the question - the 'no info' is the real problem here isn't it? If he's any good I'd put him on the J9, so a fold but if he was a bit more mediocre I could well believe top pair or over pair - so worth a call. In the absence of any information I'd fold, but my cash game is a bit suspect, so that might not be the 'right' thing. :) Now you make an interesting point, folding the KK on a 10 high board because i dont have any info. I was inclined to call because I had no info and it was a 10 high board. ( i did call BTW, and I should have folded) Should this be a standard play i should integrate to my game? Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: totalise on November 18, 2006, 02:04:52 PM Quote Should this be a standard play i should integrate to my game? no getting into the habit of folding overpairs at this level is gonna cost you a hell of a lot of missed profit. Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: tantrum on November 18, 2006, 02:14:25 PM Quote Now you make an interesting point, folding the KK on a 10 high board because i dont have any info. I was inclined to call because I had no info and it was a 10 high board. ( i did call BTW, and I should have folded) well, the board by turn is pretty coordinated and there are various hands that have you beaten.10 4 2 8 is a different from 5 8 10 7 reading textures of board is an important factor in playing your game. Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: Newmanseye on November 18, 2006, 02:20:17 PM imyrhklberry posts the small blind of $0.10
DJSTPATRICK posts the big blind of $0.25 The button is in seat #7 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to newmanseye [Kd Kh] newmanseye raises to $0.75 mc619pgh calls $0.75 *** FLOP *** [5c 8c Ts] newmanseye bets $1.85 mc619pgh calls $1.85 *** TURN *** [5c 8c Ts] [7h] newmanseye bets $5.55 mc619pgh raises to $18.90, and is all in newmanseye calls $13.35 mc619pgh shows [5h 5d] newmanseye shows [Kd Kh] *** RIVER *** [5c 8c Ts 7h] [9d] mc619pgh shows three of a kind, Fives newmanseye shows a pair of Kings mc619pgh wins the pot ($41.20) with three of a kind, Fives *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $43.35 | Rake $2.15 Board: [5c 8c Ts 7h 9d] Seat 4: newmanseye showed [Kd Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings Seat 6: mc619pgh showed [5h 5d] and won ($41.20) with three of a kind, Fives He flopped his set and had me beat on the flop, however I was sure i was beat when he pushed, Then i managed to convince myself he had something like J10 or A10. The turn reraise push seems to be a particular move i see with a set on a dangerous board, id this a common occurrance for anyone else? Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: tantrum on November 18, 2006, 02:29:46 PM yes pretty common in lower stakes,
i am suprised he did not re-raise you on the flop though, they usually do Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: Jon MW on November 18, 2006, 05:34:33 PM Quote Should this be a standard play i should integrate to my game? no getting into the habit of folding overpairs at this level is gonna cost you a hell of a lot of missed profit. :D I did say my cash game was suspect - but - this is just for when you first sit down when you don't know what the other players are capable of. I would have thought that it's unlikely that you're going to be in the same situation again for a good few hands, more than enough time to make a more informed judgement by that time. Is it definitely wrong to fold what could be the winning hand, primarily because you lack info on your opponent? This is a genuine query because my cash game does need much improvement. :) Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: Raindogs on November 18, 2006, 06:50:11 PM He flopped his set and had me beat on the flop, however I was sure i was beat when he pushed, Then i managed to convince myself he had something like J10 or A10. The turn reraise push seems to be a particular move i see with a set on a dangerous board, id this a common occurrance for anyone else? I used to see this all the time on the $0.50/$1 games on Pacific. Any time I was facing a large raise or push on the turn or river I was almost always beaten when holding a TPTK hand. I found that large bets/raises usually meant big hands not bluffs. At the end of the day you have a pair and unless you have a read on your opponent that tells you he is bluffing or a maniac you should fold. I ended up quitting NL cash games because I was not able to fold these sort of hands. Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: vegaslover on November 18, 2006, 08:11:35 PM Quote Should this be a standard play i should integrate to my game? no getting into the habit of folding overpairs at this level is gonna cost you a hell of a lot of missed profit. :D I did say my cash game was suspect - but - this is just for when you first sit down when you don't know what the other players are capable of. I would have thought that it's unlikely that you're going to be in the same situation again for a good few hands, more than enough time to make a more informed judgement by that time. Is it definitely wrong to fold what could be the winning hand, primarily because you lack info on your opponent? This is a genuine query because my cash game does need much improvement. :) Top pair alone is rarely enough in cash games, especially at these limits. Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: Boba Fett on November 19, 2006, 09:53:10 PM you would open jam $21.35 into a pot of $1.85? Well........no,not after raising it to $0.75 pre flop and getting 1 caller but Id def have raised more pre flop and played it a lot stronger. When he pushes the turn you're only beating TPTK and a total bluff, if you dont have info on your opponent its safer to fold. Title: Re: I want to get away from my hand.... Post by: The_Diamond on November 21, 2006, 05:46:14 PM Raise a bit more pre flop. I don't understand the size of your flop and bets. Why are you betting so much more than what's in the pot?
I don't think folding the turn is automatic but it would be easier with more info on the villain and if you exercised some pot control. |