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STTs are the most soulless, boring form of poker that exists. From this day forth i shall never play another.

Anyone agree?

i believe tank is of the same opinion

I think it all depends on the numbers you play apparently 4000 in a month is what you should go for

Well, printing money is boring, but it's a nice earner. I don't mind being bored if it pays my pension.

They may be boring, but they do have soul.

Strange that this post should pop up just as I have STARTED playing STTs.

I only play one at a time, $100+9, 10 minute levels, and only 3 or 4 in a row.

So far this week I'm + $1200 which for me is very nice, and they make a refreshing change from the long grind of MTTs

If a good poker player is playing STTs instead of cash he is losing money not printing it imo.

Do you not think cash is a completely different discipline Byron?

I love live cash, but I don't like online cash

Well maybe I'm not "good", or maybe we all have differing skillsets, but for me, if I want the least risky form of guaranteed profit at Poker, SNG's would be my format of choice every time. It's each to their own.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=9855.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=9855.0)

Yes, cash is harder to learn than SNGs but the rewards are a lot greater too. I only started learning cash in May and I'm not nearly as clever as Tank for example but I'm now clearing $3K a month just in rakeback. I have also never played cash without getting some sort of bonus or promo on top of the RB and I even have a small win rate as well now.

Plus I believe that the edge in SNGs is getting smaller as more people get the software that teaches you how to play. The edge in cash is also getting smaller as more people learn it but the edge is still bigger I think. Plus learning cash improves your tourney game.

Probably the best thing to learn now edge wise is PLO. 

I've just seen tikay's reply and i know he used to play the $1000s on stars, the best sng players in the world are playing those games now (after the USA ban) and I have seen some of them write about their ridiculously low ROIs and crazy high varience cos they are all playing near perfectly.

I ain't writing this cos I think I'm better than anyone just cos I played SNGs for a living for 2 years and playing cash is many many times better for many reasons IMHO. I have never and hope I never post the LOL Donkament stuff you get on other forums.

i to have turned to cash and am finding it far more rewarding, cash wise and enjoyment wise. I still love mtts and i've got game from the huge amount of stts i've played.

The perfect play point made by byron is what has killed the enjoyment for me, i don't profess to play perfect but pretty close to it and it's so mechanical it's soulless.

Fair play Byron, I have no problem with someone making a well reasoned argument to support their case.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is "Lol Donkment stuff"....?!

It is a well reasoned argument.

I tried cash for a fair while last summer, but got my fingers burned.

May give it another go soon, but I'll stick to what I know in the meantime.

It's basically cash game players taking the piss out of tourney players. Barry Greenstein does it quite a bit. This thread is a good example.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8308733&page=3&fpart=all&vc=1 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8308733&page=3&fpart=all&vc=1) 5h

apologies if this was misconstrued as having a go at anyone who plays stts. I just wondered if anyone else had had the same problem as me.

There is of course money to be made and definate excitement especially if playing one at a time with decent buy ins, but 6 tabling trying to get a decent hourly rate from a proven strategy in order to earn moeny i find to just kill my enthusiam for the game.

I take your point, I've been there & done that, grinding away day after day, hour after hour, multi-tabling SNG's, but I look at it differently - my view is that it's a damn sight better than working! And given that it's almost risk-free, I can't think of a more gilt-edged way of making money, in or out of poker. OK, exciting it may not be, but handsome is as handsome does, eh?.....

I just don't like the multi table thing. I'd rather do 1 x $100 than 4 x $25.

Agreed - and whilst it may increase the variance it will also increase the enjoyment and reduce the sense of grinding.

I find that if I play 1 at a time I play the players, play poker if you will.

If I play 3 or 4 at once, it's just mechanical abc sort of stuff.

 ;iagree; :goodpost:

http://www.sngegt.com/index.php?action=SNGEGT (http://www.sngegt.com/index.php?action=SNGEGT)

ah yes and "The answer will be mathematically correct every time"...the stuff might be mathematically correct but that doesn't mean it's the right play to make every time.

In a typical internet STT, I would say the mathematically correct play would be the right one to make every time, given how much these things come down to pure number crunching.

you're probably right..but I'm with Red on this one. I don't multi tabel 4x25$ games i play 1 100 game at a time and then playing the table becomes much more relevant IMO.

I find multi tabling them works better for me because it actually stops me making suicidal bluffs, poorly timed resteals etc.
ABC poker is the more profitable method (for me) in STT's.

I have never really got into STT's as I dont trust that some players are not playing together. However I have to agree with the earlier coment that PLO is now the best value cash game on most sites, Until a year ago I had never played unless I was bored after being busted out at a comp and sat down to play some cash in the casino and my method was to call all the way down and lay my cards face up at the end to see if the dealer pushed the pot my way LOL however now by some miricle I consider myself a better than average PLO player due to spending hours and hours online to the point that its now almost to easy to make what I call ridiculous money online on these tables as the Hold Em players venture into omaha and bet their flopped nut straight to the max onlt to leave skint.

r bigger chance of people working togter in cash games than in STTs where the ammount of money to be made is limited.

Especially PLO - low limit they are all on Skype! ;)

Really? Is there evidence to this effect?

Wow!

No evidence, I was only joking.

More likely to be cheating in than cheating in a Hold'em STT.

Oops, you whooshed me.....I'd hate to think that "cheats prosper", but they very probably do.

STT's are the most profitable for me personally online. Although some may find them mundane, I agree with some of the posts on this thread; they're my bread & butter online.

I don't play a lot of cash online and only play for small stakes for a change to playing STT's.

I prefer to play live cash games, but I have a preference to non hold'em cash games.

Occasionally I play the odd MTT online, but I find I lose interest in these after a while.

And on the subject of multi-tabling, how do you guys do it...? At most I can play 3 tables at once.

Do you only play the same format when you multi-table? All tables = STT's or MTT's or cash? Or do you play a mixture?

3 tables at once is multi-tabling.

If that's what yer comfortable with, stick to it.

I play three at most, but i've worked my way up from just one, then two and hopf i'll keep moving up to 4 etc...

I try to keep it at most two different types of poker but have been known to play a sng, NL Cash and a H.O.R.S.E sng at the same time. However i stopped that when i was betting max out of my 7 high only to see that the game had changed from razz to stud  :(

If i'm just multi tabling sng's i try to start them at intervals so that i'm not playing the sng bubble simultaneously on more than one table.

Good advice.

Good tip there dino, might try tonight to start my STT's 15mins apart.

I know its a bit different as i'm an MTT monkey rather than STT but i found that i was losing more when i multi-tabled different poker forms.

Because No limit and Pot limit hold'em are my most profitable form of poker i tend to find that when i multi-table different games, for instance i'll play 2 hold'em tourneys and a HORSE tourney i tend to find myself concentrating more on the HORSE tourney rather than watching all 3 tables (especially during the RSE levels), this causes me to miss vital bits of information at the holdem tables which usually have a bigger prizepool and payout!!

Now i try stick to one form of poker - and occasionally play a lone HORSE or Omaha h/l tourney for variety.

actually that's true...I can play a fairly decent Hold em STT (say 100$) and a MTT (50$) and even if i were to open up a small (0.25.0.50) 5 card draw cash game on the side I'll forget about the big HE games....when you play HE you should really not play another form at the same time.

I'd also say there's an argument for playing only one format at the same time.  So don't play an MTT and an STT at the same time, or mix cash and tourneys.

I do it, but I'm sure I lose something when I mix up the formats.  If you get into a 'zone' in a cash game it's not going to help your big decisions in an MTT you're playing at the same time, and vice versa.

Although on the positive side, having a cash game running whilst in the early stages of an MTT can stop the boredom setting in and help you to stay patient.  So it can help overcome a lack of patience - but I'm sure that's not a good enough reason to do it.

You can always sit out in a cash game when things get busy in yer MTT.

tis what  do


settles u down for a long patient session

take out ur agression on a low limit cash game

Aggresion is good though, cultivate it, don't take it out. :)

btw tank


im railing u rite now in a $50 rite now

was gonna jump in

but id rather watch


u r a an oasis of calm in a sea of madness

lol


auto bok on


sorryy

 rotflmfao

Hope it wasn't the one I just busted out with K6s :)

indeed it was

lol

I tend to do that as well.  But it can be difficult the other way round - when I'm maybe mid-way through an MTT, and it's the cash game starts to heat up and get interesting, maybe some big collisions and players on tilt, etc.  That's the time I'd like to pause the MTT - but it usually means I end up missing out on juicy profit from the cash game.

i have been a winner in the tribecca stt's for 16months now, i started off playing 50's and now play the $200's
i usually play stt's in blocks of 2 and 3 and very seldom play more than 5 a day due to the shortage of players at the levels i play.
I play one at a time and i feel that they are a great way of making money in poker. A lot of players make lots of fundamental mistakes whilst , even clicking the check/fold buttons whilst in the blinds.

I also try and start an stt just before a rebuy comp online to stop me pissing about in the early stages of the comp.

Recently i started playing t Tche stt's on stars, 4 tabling the $109 turbo's (well, 5 min blinds) and although ive made profit its only tiny, i realise my advantage is in watching the games i am playing thouroughly as this way boredom does not set it.  I will give up poker the day im bored of winning money, and stt's esp on tribeca are a good way of doing so

Some interesting thoughts in this thread.

Personally, a few months ago, I decided to try and get really good at just one format, and decided  I would play nothing but $50+5 9 handed sit and goes on Stars. It was profitable, but it got so boring and destroyed any enthusiasm I had for the game (I've been playing for 7 years now).

Recently, I've decided to play anything, be it a ring game, MTT or SnG. I've also opened up my repertoire to include omaha, stud, razz, 5-card draw, 2-7 triple draw lowball or anything else which is available. It's certainly keeping my interest in the game alive. There isn't a single day where I'm not learning something new. Couple that with playing online and live, and you have a hobby with enough variation to last a lifetime.

Thats an interesting post, is your poker still as profitable?

I only really plat STTs online, they're the only way I can (slowly) build my bankroll. I've tried MTTs and had a few little successes but I usually just make the money and a teeny profit so I find STTs more profitable.

My profit margin has improved if anything. I'm keener to play and I've found there's loads about poker that I don't know.

What I used to find playing just at one level of sit and go, particulary when playing at a reasonably priced level, is you end up playing the same people every day. So it's inevitable that they adapt to you, and vice-versa. But if you're prepared to move around to different games, formats and levels, it opens up many more possibilities. Plus, your oppponents might have a harder time trying to get a read on you.

For example, a few days ago I decided to sit down at a 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball ring game. There was a guy there who simply had enough. He was through. Didn't care at all. In fact, he openly stated in the chat box that he just wanted to lose all his money at the table, so he could re-deposit again. He looked like a high-stakes player letting off some steam on a lower limit table. Luckily I was there to catch a little bit of the action. I'm not saying it's going to be like that every time I sit down playing Triple Draw. It was a very rare exception. My point is this. If I stayed in my normal routine of just a few months ago, just playing $50 sit and goes, I would have missed that golden opportunity. Finding the right table to play at, or tournament where you have a reasonable shot at the money, is just as important as how you play your cards.

:goodpost: ;iagree;