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I'm being my usual nitty self. Mr C is running at a kinda laggy 33/19/5.3/150 and is kinda running over the table. $15 seems to be the kinda standard raise.


Hand 1

Seat 1: colclough ($651.75 in chips)
Seat 2: -Gotcha- ($461.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Ataturk ($143.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Boltitten ($263.75 in chips)
Ataturk: posts small blind $2
Boltitten: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to -Gotcha- [2d 2c]
colclough: raises to $15
-Gotcha-: calls $15
Ataturk: folds
Boltitten: folds
----- FLOP ----- [9d 9c Ad]
colclough: checks
-Gotcha-: checks
----- TURN ----- [9d 9c Ad][2h]
colclough: bets $5
-Gotcha-: raises to $25
colclough: raises to $45
-Gotcha-: raises to $120
colclough: raises to $195

Hand 2

eat 1: colclough ($1122.75 in chips)
Seat 2: -Gotcha- ($608.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Ataturk ($222.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Mnkfsh ($108.68 in chips)
Seat 5: Boltitten ($235.75 in chips)
Seat 6: padrinos ($161.50 in chips)
Ataturk: posts small blind $2
Mnkfsh: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to -Gotcha- [7c 7s]
Boltitten: folds
padrinos: folds
colclough: raises to $15
-Gotcha-: raises to $45
Ataturk: folds
Mnkfsh: folds
colclough: raises to $114
-Gotcha-: calls $69
----- FLOP ----- [7h Kh 5h]
colclough: bets $500

2nd 1 it has to go in.

First 1 i opt for call call.

1st hand you should just call his 3-bet and re-eval river

2nd hand easy call

1, Its going in. I like your chances against his range


2. Stick it in. I like your chances against the bare Ahrt


what is your image with him? do you think this has any relevance? if he has you as more conservative than him (no idea if you are) does this widen the range you put him on and prompt you to at least call both?..it would me.

Hand 3

Seat 1: Tommyhill sits out
Seat 2: Snaps001 ($618.84 in chips)
Seat 3: -Gotcha- ($679 in chips)
Seat 4: colclough ($561.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Alkaline ($403.25 in chips)
Seat 6: KautoStar ($804 in chips)
Snaps001: posts small blind $2
-Gotcha-: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to -Gotcha- [As Ac]
Tommyhill sits back
colclough: raises to $15
Alkaline: folds
KautoStar: folds
Snaps001: folds
-Gotcha-: raises to $45
colclough: calls $30
----- FLOP ----- [8h 7h 4d]
-Gotcha-: bets $70
colclough: calls $70
----- TURN ----- [8h 7h 4d][7c]
-Gotcha-: checks
colclough: bets $166

Hand 1 & 2: stick it in.

Hand 3: very tricky, not sure what's best tbh

I'd stick it in all three times.

Sure he could have the 7 in the third example but he raised from EP and then called your reraise. the only 7 he would have would be if he had sooted connectors IMO. I'd more likely expect an overpair to the board though.

seems like pretty good table selection tbh. All those players are on my friends list.

In the AA hand re-raise more preflop given that you are OOP and a psr is 52 anyway.
c/c the turn and re-eval river.

Seat 1: Tommyhill sits out
Seat 2: Snaps001 ($618.84 in chips)
Seat 3: -Gotcha- ($679 in chips)
Seat 4: colclough ($561.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Alkaline ($403.25 in chips)
Seat 6: KautoStar ($804 in chips)
Snaps001: posts small blind $2
-Gotcha-: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to -Gotcha- [As Ac]
Tommyhill sits back
colclough: raises to $15
Alkaline: folds
KautoStar: folds
Snaps001: folds
-Gotcha-: raises to $45
colclough: calls $30
----- FLOP ----- [8h 7h 4d]
-Gotcha-: bets $70
colclough: calls $70
----- TURN ----- [8h 7h 4d][7c]
-Gotcha-: checks
colclough: bets $166
-Gotcha-: calls $166
----- RIVER ----- [8h 7h 4d 7c][Jd]
-Gotcha-: checks
colclough: bets $280.50 and is all-in

why didn't you bet the turn on hand 3? what are you putting him on to check there byron?

For the last week or so I've been playing like a complete muppet. I don't seem to be able to think clearly about anything. I was thinking about pot control when Boldie is correct in saying that the most likely hand is an overpair.

pot control is fine on turn if you can understand calling range,

call river

hmmm didn't like the way this betting went at all. the flatcall on the turn where I would have shoved. the J is a card you don't want to see if, like me you take him for an overpair to the board he could now have the full house.
However he could also take you for a busted FD as you are just as unlikely as him to have the 7.

I'd be almost tempted to think he has JJ here and the river housed him up..I take it you folded to his river bet? You haven't defined his hand at all during the betting and that's a bit of a problem for me to determine whether it would be wise to call his river bet as your betting screams flush draw...so he could think his QQ or KK might also be good here.
very tricky on the river.

If he thinks you have a flush draw he shoves KK/QQ about 0% of the time here on the river.

$840 +  in the middle............i am not folding for $280

hand 1 is close to a fold, you can call the turn and see what happens, but you are staring at a big hand here a lot of the time. What can he have?

hand 2 is super thin preflop, but on flop is an obvious call

hand 3 you can raise more preflop, being OOP is bad news.. I like the way you got to the river, now call and finish it off

Seat 1: colclough ($651.75 in chips)
Seat 2: -Gotcha- ($461.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Ataturk ($143.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Boltitten ($263.75 in chips)
Ataturk: posts small blind $2
Boltitten: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to -Gotcha- [2d 2c]
colclough: raises to $15
-Gotcha-: calls $15
Ataturk: folds
Boltitten: folds
----- FLOP ----- [9d 9c Ad]
colclough: checks
-Gotcha-: checks
----- TURN ----- [9d 9c Ad][2h]
colclough: bets $5
-Gotcha-: raises to $25
colclough: raises to $45
-Gotcha-: raises to $120
colclough: raises to $195
-Gotcha-: raises to $446.50 and is all-in
colclough: calls $251.50
----- RIVER ----- [9d 9c Ad 2h][7s]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
-Gotcha-: shows [2d 2c] (A Full House, Twos full of Nines)
colclough: shows [Ah 9h] (A Full House, Nines full of Aces)
colclough collected $928 from Main pot

Seat 1: colclough ($1122.75 in chips)
Seat 2: -Gotcha- ($608.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Ataturk ($222.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Mnkfsh ($108.68 in chips)
Seat 5: Boltitten ($235.75 in chips)
Seat 6: padrinos ($161.50 in chips)
Ataturk: posts small blind $2
Mnkfsh: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to -Gotcha- [7c 7s]
Boltitten: folds
padrinos: folds
colclough: raises to $15
-Gotcha-: raises to $45
Ataturk: folds
Mnkfsh: folds
colclough: raises to $114
-Gotcha-: calls $69
----- FLOP ----- [7h Kh 5h]
colclough: bets $500
-Gotcha-: is all-in $494.50
Returned uncalled bets $5.50 to colclough
----- TURN ----- [7h Kh 5h][Qd]
----- RIVER ----- [7h Kh 5h Qd][4h]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
colclough: shows [Ks Ah] (A Flush, Ace high)
-Gotcha-: shows [7c 7s] (Three of a kind, Sevens, King high)
colclough collected $1221 from Main pot

Seat 1: Tommyhill sits out
Seat 2: Snaps001 ($618.84 in chips)
Seat 3: -Gotcha- ($679 in chips)
Seat 4: colclough ($561.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Alkaline ($403.25 in chips)
Seat 6: KautoStar ($804 in chips)
Snaps001: posts small blind $2
-Gotcha-: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to -Gotcha- [As Ac]
Tommyhill sits back
colclough: raises to $15
Alkaline: folds
KautoStar: folds
Snaps001: folds
-Gotcha-: raises to $45
colclough: calls $30
----- FLOP ----- [8h 7h 4d]
-Gotcha-: bets $70
colclough: calls $70
----- TURN ----- [8h 7h 4d][7c]
-Gotcha-: checks
colclough: bets $166
-Gotcha-: calls $166
----- RIVER ----- [8h 7h 4d 7c][Jd]
-Gotcha-: checks
colclough: bets $280.50 and is all-in
-Gotcha-: calls $280.50
----- SHOW DOWN -----
colclough: shows [Jh Js] (A Full House, Jacks full of Sevens)
-Gotcha-: shows [As Ac] (Two Pairs, Aces and Sevens, Jack high)
colclough collected $1122 from Main pot

DC added to my list of world class players I'm gonna suck out on in a large way at a final table some day :D

UL on nr 2 and 3...nr 1...well what can you do, the guy flopped a monster.

if that is Dave Colclough his turn bet is fucking terrible

it is

he needs to learn to play cash

you should offer to coach him

his turn bet is REALLY REALLY bad, if you can't see that then don't judge

Where is the judging?

Is it because 1 + 6 + 6 = 13 and that is unlucky?

 rotflmfao rotflmfao :respect:

lmao

I see. Thanks for the explanation. Your lessons must be value for money, where do I sign up?

I can't see. Pls explain.

no value to the bet, you get c/r by all better hands and when you are ahead vill has a mas of 12.5% equity which the bet isn't worth.

LOL

damn...thats what i was gonna say   





 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

Hi

Please could you elaborate on the above part of your statement so I can undertsand better.

cheers

alright, his opponents equity in the pot = 12.5%, (when we have best hand with JJ)

12.5% x (lets say the pot is 100) = 12.5$

if he bets, he would bet say 66 (2/3), so he is betting 66 to protect 12.5 which is bas obviously.

We would need to have the best hand >80% of the time for this protection bet to be worthwhile IF we aren't going to put any more money into the pot.

We probably aren't this good, and I haven't worked out his bet size but it could easily be more than (2/3)

Hope that explains a bit more.

to do these calculations , do you use


a......pen and paper
b.....abacus
c......calculator
d.....computer
e.....your head
f......none of the above

So if a blank falls on the end and your opponent bets, do you call in DC's shoes (after checking the turn behind your oppo). i.e. have you already put your oppo on an overpair from his preflop reraise and if so, why call the flop bet? If you do call on the end what is the max size fo bet you are willing to call?

I ask because i would use a 2/3rds pot bet on the turn when i am trying to define my hand a little more. Don't you think the check behind on the turn induces a bluff and makes your river decision harder? Or am i just chatting bollox (ps i don't play cash).

 ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated;

You put in a 1/4 of your stack to 'define your hand'

What the hell do you need to define, you have JJ.


Will everyone stop trying to make poker so damn complicated, its a simple game!

but you have that 87.5% equity in any bet that is called on the turn, and despite your protestations that everyone plays perfect poker, there is a more then zero percent chance that people are calling when you have the best hand. You also want to bet in these spots when you cant ever get another $$ out of your opponent unless he improves (ie, he isn't gonna bluff the river if he doesn't improve)  and when people like Byron are 3-betting loose, you dont want to sacrifice your 87% of the pot for free when he could have shit like underpairs/flush draws/pair+gutshot/overcards and other such filth. He might well never call when you have the best hand, but its still better to protect your equity in the pot then to give someone infinite odds to take it away from you, especially if you are going to call a bet on the river anyways.

In simple terms, put yourself in Byrons spot. You are 3-betting light. Are you happy or sad to see someone check the turn here with JJ. Normally if you make a good player happy, you are making a mistake.

this is the hard part, It is hard to explain in a post and it is opponent and game dynamic specific.

Most of the time it is a river fold unless your opponent is too aggressive. In most cases this is not true and I think that the river bet is usually for value.

I think DC misplayed 2 streets in this hand. One pretty badly and one very badly.

I don't think you know how byron plays and if you did and you knew DC would bet JJ here you would be very happy.

Does anyone else feel as thick I do?  :'( :'(

you might be rite, I only played with Bryon once and thats when i went to play him on Absolute, and he was 3 betting for fun. If he really is so tight that his 3-bet range embraces JJ putting money in the pot here, then yes, betting JJ is a mistake.

he plays 10/8

Fascinating thread though, player_uk's comments are genuinely intriguing when he elaborates.

Do i need to answer, lol.


a) I've never really tried this, i just assumed that everyone would take it as a Harrington probe bet and it wouldn't get me much info.

b) Your oppo has reraise you out of position preflop, surely the hand you hold is at the bottom of his range.

wtf.. fold JJ on the flop then!

11/8 ;)

a) i don't get ya.

b) so you have already 'defined' your hand then, why do you need to do it again?

I think so

a) harrington 1 says bet 1/3rd pot for a probe bet and 1/2 to 3/4s for a CB. So if i bet 1/3rd of the pot it looks like a probe bet no? I am inducing the reraise bluff (maybe i'm overthinking this).

b) if your hand is so well defined on the flop, why call?

Considering he has re-raised and is likely to continuation bet, what is the point of calling the pre-flop raise if you are going to fold on the flop, or do you reckon he should have folded to the initial pre-flop raise?

catch a set to stack a tighty

So you are trying to induce a bluff, that's not a bet to 'define my hand'




I didn't play the hand, nor did i close his range down so tight, it was yourself that labled that range then said you needed to define your hand!


Sorry if it's like i am picking on you but all this defining hand BS has finally made me crack.

yes, you are over thinking it a bit. Harringtons book is pretty bad for cash games

As for the flop call, you generally do it to see what happens on the turn. Against non nits, your hand is going to have reasonable equity against their betting range, but your equity is going to be quite bad against their calling range. I didn't realise Byron had walked over to the dark side, and that his mouse squeaked and ran for cover when it approached the raise button.

PMSL

I could explain but it's prob best that I just exploit my image.

I guess it was only $30 extra.

You're good you...like the way you think

Nope dont agree, only 1 street....the turn bet wasn't good
my excuse is that rob yong was teaching me to play 6 tables at once
However, plan B pulled me thru

what do you think is good about the flop call?

Instead of being openly critical, why don't you give your reasons for folding instead?

We had only played a few hands together when these hands came up, DC's stats are from the end of the session. Also I play different when I'm trying to stack DC with 100BBs than when I'm 10 tabling with 20 BBs a table trying to get a load of MPPs so I win a trip to Vegas.

reasons for folding is that byron often has JJ crushed when he re-raises OOP and then bets this flop.

Wow, Dave comes back from an age not posting and he posts this one.
This just about makes my Christmas (I'm a sad git admittedly, but I've never seen Dave be sarcastic at cincin so I'm thinking he's being kind...and will probably be pissing himself laughing if I was ever foolish enough to sit down with him in a HU cash game :) ).

Well the truth was I had been playing a little too aggressive, so I was aware I didnt have a great table image. So I was kindov expecting players to play against me with much worse holdings than AA. But I hadn't really played with Byrockincaid before, and he was playing on a 6 pack, so I thought there was a chance he maybe just got the needle with me. So thats why I called the flop....just in case you were interested.

Instant call

i quit

u quit what...