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your in a tourny you have table is a bit wild and you have just gone from 2x average stack to 1/2 an average stack after getting hit by a 2 outer with 2 to come

blinds 100/200 average stack 5k

you are BB and see a free flop with 5 i repeat FIVE other players in the pot
you have Q5h flop comes Ah Jh 2c


you check in order to try a check raise EP makes it 500 SB makes it 1000
do you raise or fold and why?


if you were SB here and you were reraised by the bb for another 1.3k what is the mininium you would call with or is it an auto call?


you might have guessed by the 5 limpers in the pot that they are pretty weak players

Personally i fold, you are up against either a straight draw or an ace decent kicker and a made hand (possibly AJ).
The most important thing for me is that you are not even drawing to the best hand, even if you hit the Kh the board can still pair which for me is a major worry.
It hasn't cost you anything so there's no need to gamble here and you still have plenty of time to find a better opportunity.
SB i would put on the strong hand (he would have to assume the EP has a hand and still thinks he's ahead but is probably trying to scare a flush draw away) and would probably call or reraise anything,
just my wild ramblings,
ian

What limit is it, how far into the comp are you, and is it online?

From what I've read, I agree with the guy above. Fold for me.

Agreed, first guy could easily have king flush draw and may call the reraise if it's a wild table. If he hasn't, then he'll probably fold meaning you have very little value to hitting your flush. You're probably a 35% dog. I too reckon the SB has soemthing like AJ, maybe even trips. That minimum reraise is very suspicious and indicates strength to me. To echo the ramblings, you've still got time. Blinds are still small.

What did you do by the way? Has it been playing on your mind? I know the feeling if it has. :-)

Hi Ironside,

Short stack specialist here......!

Half average stack means we aint got the leverage to get cute, so I would have bet the flop. Takes a bit of calling, and if you get called (they may pass, don't forget) and you do catch the flush, chances are you are winning.

Well snoopy, I WANT the geezer to have trips or AJ, because with half average stack, I NEED to get some value somehow. Beggars can't be choosers! It's a TOTALLY different play if I have a decent stack, but with half average stack, we need to revert to Plan B. Or even Plan C.... Nicking the blinds only delay the crisis a few hands.

it was online at party with over 1000 playing the blinds should tell you how far into the event it was


i'll tell you want i did and why after i have given people a chance to post

Well, tell us if Matey Boy was in the hand - that will give us a clue.......

there was 9 matey boys on the table

Hmm - online and 1000 players. From my experience, that increases the chance of a call.

9 Matey Boys? Pass, quick. Matey Boy generally wins with some bag of spanners.

IS a Matey boy a lucy goose? I've never heard the term be4? Is an old phrase?  ;)

just a quick guide to how some of the hands that i played in the event

first hand AA all in v AK v JTs (i was in cut off and didnt get chance to raise)


just before the hand i have listed here

bb free 73o flop 732(2 spades)
i check matey boy raises all in matey boy 2 calls i have both players out chips so reraise putting 2nd player all in
side pot was bigger than main pot
matey boy 66 mateyboy 2 88 turn 7 river 8

later on in tourny i have 2x average stack i limp UTG with KK mateyboy raises from bb (all in raise) i only have 1k more than matey boy but got exactly what i wanted so call he hits his ace on flop and for good measure his 3 on turn and river

This matey boy player gets around.

I agree totally i would have bet the flop heavy but as he didn't ask...................
I like the s**t or bust attitude Tikay but surely you can't call from behind, i want to be the first to act.
Ironside you say you're looking to checkraise but it is only a good strategy if you think yhey're bluffing or you have a hand, at the moment you have nothing!!!!
I deduce from your post you reraised and most likely went out lol
ian

We are NOT "calling from behind" Ian, the SB checked the Flop, we move in. It's their problem then, & they need something half decent to call with.

"Sh*t or bust"? Well, playing with a low stack is a COMPLETELY different game to "normal" poker. Different logic is required. IMHO.

small misunderstanding (seems to be my forte of late), i agree totally with what you say i was referring to his scenario of checking the flop  :-\
I'm always the short stack who throws his chips in regardless of what i have if there are more than 2 callers to a raise in front of me declaring "value" lol
Needless to say this is not an incredibly fruitful policy!!
ian

Ahh, now I understand. Tell you what, let's both blame Ironside. That's what I usually do.

And if he protests or argues, I'll Yellow Card him.....

Agreed, especially when he edits the original post and you're not sure if he got mischevous and changed the original scenerio  ;D
He's had more yellows than Vinny Jones, maybe a sin bin might have a better effect hehehe
ian

Hang him!

ok here is my thinking if i go all in on the flop i increase my chances of taking the pot uncontested

BUT if i do get called there is not enough chips in the pot to give me the odds

i am also likely to get called by any ace so i really need the odds in the pot to make a raise

by checking i got those odds by the a raise and reraise even if one of the raises fold

by going all in when it gets back to me i have now enough chips in the pot to give me an average stack if
everyone fold this puts me back in the game

if i do get called its obvious i am behind and therefore need good pot odds to account for the times i bust


remember this is an online game against muppets they are going to call with any hand no matter how you play it

so the choice is simple get as many chips into the pot as possible before playing the hand


(the raiser had j7 the reraise A6 none of them in hearts)

yes i hit my flush infact i had more outs after the turn gave me a straight draw

both players thought there play was great when the J7 won the side pot and neither could understand why i had to play for the flush

Nice analysis, & nicely played Ironside. And clearly, with J-7 & A6, there were TWO matey boys in the hand. Perfect!

It takes me hours to think about all that, never mind the 30 secs the internet gives you  ;D

Interesting scenario though. I hope they said nh when you won. Some of these online folk have noooooo manners.

i am still trying to work out if i wanted both callers

against 1 caller i am a 6-4 dog maybe 13-8

against 2 i think i am more likely a 5-2 dog

means i am busting 50% more times that i win which isnt great

plus the extra chips gained don't seem to mean much in these party MTT

only just started playing them guess i might need to adjust my starting requirements down to around the 72o level

So the J7 called a re reraise with second pair and a crap kicker while A6 calls a reraise with top pair crap kicker!!!!
Send em to walsall cash game i wanna say hello!!
Though i think your odds to win were not good, and you musta gone green when they both called!!
Ian

btw what was the buy in for the comp?

ok here is a hand thats been bugging me since i played in the vic

i am UTG with 3.4k the blinds are 150/300 with 25 ante

i look down and see KQ i also believe i have a tight scared newbie image
so try to steal from the hardest postion and make it 1.2k

over on the button the camel flat calls (3.8k stack)
SB vicky coren reraises 1025 (all in and enough to allow me to rereraise)

so the options are call, reraise or fold

it was a 5$ buy in

problem was i would get no chances to steal in the tourny unless i got well above an average stack

one other hand of note on table

2 large stacks go to war preflop both all in one had 22 the other QJs

Vicky sees, you as the nervous type and either has you beat or reckons you'll fold
She probably sees a flat caller as a weakness especially as he raises a lot!!!!!
It depends entirely on whether you feel like gambling, if she has a medium pair you have overcards and (worst case) has you dominated.
Me personally would fold, camel is behind you and you really don't need to be trapped between 2 pro's!!
If you call he could put you allin and you really are in a bad spot then as you can't fold.
Btw i ain't a great player so my thinking is likely to be a little conservative.
Ian

The Vic hand.

Vicky probably had some sort of A. Up to you to decide if you have the odds to call.

Camel would pass if you called OR re-raised. He only limped in the first place to take you off your hand after the flop. But once Vicky went all-in, his cunning plan was dead in the water. Sneaky player, that Camel, you know......

And in case you think I am being disrespectful to The Camel, I am not. I don't think I have ever seen a guy who can accumulate so many chips so often, he ALWAYS has a stack early, though his style means he can blow them away too. Apparently he gets AA & KK quite a lot - at least, that's what he tells me.....

your read on the camel seems quite good and exactly what i thought too

Well I learned the hard way Ironside!

Every time I share a table with The Camel, I determine that I will NOT let him get up to his antics, so I take him on. And once I have lost half my stack to him, I revert to Plan B & nut up.......

first ever trip to the vic camel on my right scotty n on mt left

scotty n couldn't wait to get moved

So what do you do Tikay, check raise or fold?
More importantly what did you do Ironside?

ok my thinking on the vic hand was that i was in real bad postion to call with the camel behind
a call would cost 50% of my stack

so i was left with reraise or fold

now at best i was hoping vicky had a pp but knew i could be in bad shape v AK or AQ
infact this was very likely as she wouldn't want to play a hand 3 way with a middle pocket pair
and she also knew if i called that the camel would more than likely have too

so this left me the option of fold which i did

cards on back vicky AK camel JJ (i think he is sleeping with all the dealers mind you this one was male)

board came Q high asn i would have won but it would have been very bad play to call or reraise there

keith goes on to make final table and i bust not long after when i take my 66 up against AT

I pass Ian, becauise I am sure Vicky has me beat, & I need to get lucky, & I can't bluff her if she is all-in.

I watched her play a fair bit at The Vic last week, was on her table a good while, as I was in Deauville. She seems to me to have a solid, "straight up & down" game, & when she gets her chips in, she's usually ahead.

I have a problem with all the adolescents who swoon at the very mention of Vicky, you'd think they had never seen a woman before. Having said that, she is a really lovely person, with a terriffic personality, and an incredibly sharp mind. I admire her writing very much, & she is entitled to be respected for that, rather than simply for being a woman.

Camel had a REAL hand? Wow. That's blown my theory out of the water. I suppose he's entitled to have a hand once in ten. Which contuinues to leave me curious, as he raises one hand in 2.......But I guess that's part of his stategy - he gets plenty of action when he DOES have the goods.

she is a solid player
she made a great laydown of TT when she limped in on button with them (2 EP limper)

flop came 898 she made a pot raise then folded when i check raised her with the 8

cant comment on her personality or looks as she was in seat 10 and i was in 2 and dealer was in way

plus when i am at table i find it hard to keep up with the banter as i cannot get close to the tables due to
be too big for a standard wheelchair and if i took an oversized wheelchair i would have trouble getting about

so i struggle in a stadard chair and the set up of it means i cant get my knees under the table

not longer after i bust camel has built a nice stack

when he tangles with another big stack on the table

the other big stack is trying to bully the camel off a hand with his gutshot straight draw

while the camel is siting pretty with a pp thats hit a set on the turn

with 1 card to come the camel was laughing and doubled up to around 24k while the average was still under 10k

i just dont know where he gets all the hands from but he raises so much he always gets action

You "struggle to get your knees under the table"?

Surely, the DDA would legislate for such an eventuality?

yeah right i have to sit side on to the table when i eat they dont build tables my size

infact depending on my seat in the casino i sometimes get lucky and get seated side
on without taking too much room

problem is i cant see half the players who are on teh table as they are now behind me lol

"I have a problem with all the adolescents who swoon at the very mention of Vicky, you'd think they had never seen a woman before. Having said that, she is a really lovely person, with a terriffic personality, and an incredibly sharp mind. I admire her writing very much, & she is entitled to be respected for that, rather than simply for being a woman."

A intelligent good looking woman who plays poker? What more could an adolescent like me want?

Can she cook too?

swoon.  :P

thats the most important question that needs answering before you take a woman out,

if i need intellgant conversation there is always the pub,
good looks there is always lap dancers,
poker playing ??? why do you want to take money off the person your dating and if you want to play strip poker aint it better she doesnt know how to play.

the important thing is is she good in the house and can you live off her cooking

i am afraid to say i didnt ask vicky as most ladies slap me when i ask what they are like in the house before i get to know them

Hehe, maybe you have a good point there snoopy!

Ironside.

Pray tell us, what is a "lap dancer"? Tikay led a sheltered life, you know.

if i make it to blackppol next month me and you are going for a little trip

i havent been into a lap dancing club in blackpool but i hear blackpool is the
home of karen baggoley and thats just tickateeboo

haha i think you lot ought to go to Funny Girls for a giggle :)

funny girls ???? aint that a contradiction in terms it like saying american sence of homour!!!!

some things dont mix ;D

for those who don't know funny girls in blackpool  its a bit of an eye opener to say the least, but quite hilarious if you're pissed up :)

i went about 10 years ago on a girls weekend, completely pissed , was in the queue for the ladies and a transexual was queueing in our loo,  and i must have been staring, he/she said, what u staring at??
i said  I really have no bloody idea!!   he/she stormed off and everybody else was pissing themselves :)