hand question

[Ironside]

your in a tourny you have table is a bit wild and you have just gone from 2x average stack to 1/2 an average stack after getting hit by a 2 outer with 2 to come

blinds 100/200 average stack 5k

you are BB and see a free flop with 5 i repeat FIVE other players in the pot
you have Q5h flop comes Ah


you check in order to try a check raise EP makes it 500 SB makes it 1000
do you raise or fold and why?


if you were SB here and you were reraised by the bb for another 1.3k what is the mininium you would call with or is it an auto call?


you might have guessed by the 5 limpers in the pot that they are pretty weak players

[ifm]

Personally i fold, you are up against either a straight draw or an ace decent kicker and a made hand (possibly AJ).
The most important thing for me is that you are not even drawing to the best hand, even if you hit the the board can still pair which for me is a major worry.
It hasn't cost you anything so there's no need to gamble here and you still have plenty of time to find a better opportunity.
SB i would put on the strong hand (he would have to assume the EP has a hand and still thinks he's ahead but is probably trying to scare a flush draw away) and would probably call or reraise anything,
just my wild ramblings,
ian

[snoopy1239]

What limit is it, how far into the comp are you, and is it online?

[snoopy1239]

From what I've read, I agree with the guy above. Fold for me.

Agreed, first guy could easily have king flush draw and may call the reraise if it's a wild table. If he hasn't, then he'll probably fold meaning you have very little value to hitting your flush. You're probably a 35% dog. I too reckon the SB has soemthing like AJ, maybe even trips. That minimum reraise is very suspicious and indicates strength to me. To echo the ramblings, you've still got time. Blinds are still small.

[snoopy1239]

What did you do by the way? Has it been playing on your mind? I know the feeling if it has. :-)

[tikay]

Hi Ironside,

Short stack specialist here......!

Half average stack means we aint got the leverage to get cute, so I would have bet the flop. Takes a bit of calling, and if you get called (they may pass, don't forget) and you do catch the flush, chances are you are winning.

[tikay]

Well snoopy, I WANT the geezer to have trips or AJ, because with half average stack, I NEED to get some value somehow. Beggars can't be choosers! It's a TOTALLY different play if I have a decent stack, but with half average stack, we need to revert to Plan B. Or even Plan C.... Nicking the blinds only delay the crisis a few hands.

[Ironside]

From what I've read, I agree with the guy above. Fold for me.

Agreed, first guy could easily have king flush draw and may call the reraise if it's a wild table. If he hasn't, then he'll probably fold meaning you have very little value to hitting your flush. You're probably a 35% dog. I too reckon the SB has soemthing like AJ, maybe even trips. That minimum reraise is very suspicious and indicates strength to me. To echo the ramblings, you've still got time. Blinds are still small.

it was online at party with over 1000 playing the blinds should tell you how far into the event it was


i'll tell you want i did and why after i have given people a chance to post

[tikay]

Well, tell us if Matey Boy was in the hand - that will give us a clue.......

[Ironside]

Well, tell us if Matey Boy was in the hand - that will give us a clue.......

there was 9 matey boys on the table

[snoopy1239]

Hmm - online and 1000 players. From my experience, that increases the chance of a call.

[tikay]

9 Matey Boys? Pass, quick. Matey Boy generally wins with some bag of spanners.

[snoopy1239]

IS a Matey boy a lucy goose? I've never heard the term be4? Is an old phrase? 

[Ironside]

just a quick guide to how some of the hands that i played in the event

first hand AA all in v AK v JTs (i was in cut off and didnt get chance to raise)


just before the hand i have listed here

bb free 73o flop 732(2 spades)
i check matey boy raises all in matey boy 2 calls i have both players out chips so reraise putting 2nd player all in
side pot was bigger than main pot
matey boy 66 mateyboy 2 88 turn 7 river 8

later on in tourny i have 2x average stack i limp UTG with KK mateyboy raises from bb (all in raise) i only have 1k more than matey boy but got exactly what i wanted so call he hits his ace on flop and for good measure his 3 on turn and river

[snoopy1239]

This matey boy player gets around.