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I play the game to a certain personal "code". Most of it is obvious..win well, lose well etc etc

No whooping and hollering!

Last night my desire to do so backfired I think

Its a Luton festival satellite, one hand before the end of the rebuy period and I am in the BB with Q5 and 8,000 chips. With ten seats on offer and 40 left this is comfortable enough

On the button is Cupcake, a good friend of mine and many of yours, with one green 1,000 chip and he throws it in silently when passed to him on the button

A third player insists this goes as a call (correct rule in this venue) and it does so, with no complaint from Cupcake

SB completes, I check

flop Q x x

SB checks, I check mentally not really playing the hand (unforgivable but true) and Cupcake sticks the last 900 in, having as it turns out no part of it

I fold. Show him the Q and say something to the effect of "I wouldn't have called pre-flop, I am not going to take advantage of a genuine error now"

No one complains, Cupcake thanks me and compliments me later, off-table, for the fold .

I wasn't soft-playing him, I would have passed to any player who I knew had made a genuine mistake there. Knowing Cupcake well, I knew he made an honest mistake. Perhaps it might best be described as I would have soft-played anyone there. Maybe it wasn't soft-playing and was merely sportsmanship. My head has been turning with this stuff for 16 hours now!!

However later I knew I had got it wrong...I should have been playing to win every chip regardless of whoever made an error, and a third party on the table would have had every right to have complained, my having shown the Queen. I think.

Perhaps my judgement now is influenced by the fact I bubbled, not unusually, but I would be interested in your thoughts

 

If others knew you knew cupcake that would look pretty dodgy... In fact against anyone it looks pretty dodgy if you were doing it why didnt you just muck??

You have to go fr the win tighty. Always. Its not your fault she made the error so its (NOT-[sorry]) up to you to get her out of it. No one in my casino would have been so polite.

no idea why I showed, with hindsight. Sometimes you do things and think afterwards "huh?!"

People knew I knew Cupcake.

I dont persnally see you showing being a problem (if some1 had kicked up a fuss u can always argue you put her on a higher hand or trips!). The problem is you not calling her all in on the flop.

Cupcake is very much a "he"!

I passed ..not wanting to take advantage of a genuine error. In fact, that is precisely what I should have been doing.

Sorry to cupcake- just sounds like summat i would call the missus!!

Yeh but poker is a game of learning from mistakes.

Be honest would you do it agin second time round?

No. I think. The whole thing has made me feel uncomfortable with myself

What in like you dont know which lifestyle choice to make?

I won't deliberately try go gain an advantage from a genuine error.

If a player accidentally exposes his cards, I don't insist that his hand is dead.

If a pot is mistakenly given to me and then the cards are mucked, I would still return the chips to the winner.

If someone online was disconnected heads up or short handed, I would try to slow the game down to allow him to re-connect.

I won't say something nasty to deliberately wind up my opponent in an attempt to unsettle him/her.

Sportsmanship is important to me, I don't believe in winning at any cost, some things are more important than money.




EDIT: Be aware, turn your back on the last Rolo, and it's a gonner!

er, no!

just uneasy.

Poker IMO is playing the game with as few mistakes as possible and to take advantage of ANY mistakes made by your opponents, Cupcake made a mistake and you "should" of taken instant advantage of that.

I agree and it isnt in my opinion being unsportsman like!

I think you're being unnecessarily hard on yourself Tighty.

I think allowances have to be made for the experience of the player involved in the mistake. If it was a novice who didn't know of the 'single oversize chip is a call' rule then your actions are fair enough. I have cut novices some slack before when it comes to that sort of thing (like showing them how to look at their cards so no one else can see them).

But Cupcake knows the score - he's made the final three tables at the World Series. If I'd been in his position, I would actually have been quite annoyed at you for not fulling making use of the situation I'd presented you with through my own carelessness.

I must admit to being a little confused here. Cupcake had th option of not putting the last 900 in, but he chose to do it anyway. Why would the call have been un-sporting?

Mistakes happen and in this situation I think you should have played the hand to win.  People could easily take exception to your passing as you did.

Because Tighty knew that Cupcake wanted to raise pre-flop - a bet that Tighty would never had called. so he thought 'by rights, I shouldn't even be in this hand, so I have no right to claim anything from the pot'.

I see, thank you.  Cuppy still had the chance to limit the damage by not betting the last 900, so the call by Tighty would have been fine (imho)

thats what my point was

So we're both agreed - Tighty's getting soft in his old age...

logically yes. I knew even a bad top pair was likely to be winning, and I consciously folded with that understanding.

cann i just ask tighty for just my own knowledge. Did cupcake tell you what cards he had?

If you knew he had meant to raise, you could've just mucked your cards before the flop came. That perhaps would've been your best strategy.

I agree with Jim, he made the mistake by not announcing raise.

after the hand was over.

it doesnt make a difference but did he have apiece of the flop?

In tightys original post he said he never had a piece of it

something like KJ,K9 etc ie a miss

cheers jim. should have read that myself- doh!

I think you're being hard on yourself tighty. However, the thing I probably would have done is muck pre-flop. Once I hit the flop and think my opponent hasn't he's not doing a grand job by sticking in his chips and I reckon I would have called if I'd hit the flop.
I think you're a gent for folding don't get me wrong, but folding pre-flop was the thing to do in my opinion.

I think you should call and if you don't call I am 100% certain that you should not show your cards to the table.

Cupcake knows that if he made a mistake and didnt make the correct raise then that is nobody elses fault but his and if the sb for instance had the queen Cuppy would expect a call every time with top pair to that all in bet.

If I was on that table and someone in your spot was a complete stranger and had passed and shown the queen when a friend of his had made the mistake I would be very unhappy. I know what you are saying about a genuine attempt to give a player a break but I dont think that is the right thing to do here.


By doing so in your home casino amongst players that you know well is one thing,but I don't think you would have done the same in a different casino on a table of unknowns to a stranger,  not because you have different morals but because the table would have righlty complained.


I would call here every time irrespective of the opponent.

I wouldn't worry about it.  Showing the Q was the mistake really.  Just mucking and forgetting about it would have been the simplest course of action.

Hi all,

 Where do i start ?, Well first of all i would like to thank Richard for his kind gesture at the table, it was a really nice touch irrespective of any ruling. I would however like to point out that at this venue i was 100% in the wrong and was an obvious mistake on my behalf. Due mainly to the fact that the blinds were at 50/100 and with only 850 the hand before i had made some speech play along the lines of ......"Well guy's , I'm afraid its the time of the night were i have to stick it all in with any two cards" . Rubbish to this effect, coming to the end of a re-buy i wasn't in good shape and obviously just stealing the blinds with any 2 cards. ( with the rubbish i was doing it with i wasn't going to be dominated...lol).
My point being i just plane forgot to say ALL -IN as i usually would as i always declare my bets verbally when playing poker.
However i would like to heap a little more praise on our said HERO .........Richard new what i was doing before any of my silly speech play in previous hands and I knew that he knew he was laying down the 100 % best hand !!!.
I'm genuinely sorry that you didn't get you're seat Richard......However  please don't be too hard on yourself as i think you were also subconsciously trying to help out a friend and i thank for that and it wont be forgotten.


John.

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really nice post. i cant think of a single mate of mine who would have done the same!

No , i didn't just accuse my friend of cheating on a public forum with a load of complete strangers who wasn't there !!!.
If i wanted to do that i would have done it to his face.
I play poker just for fun and i really don't take it as seriously as most people.

In actual fact i rate Richard very highly and he's a much better player than I'll ever be !!!. It just so happens he's a truly nice guy who doesn't try to win at poker at all cost's and i personally admire that.



John.

You should always play for 1st regardless of who is on your table or who you have swopped a percentage with.

Knowing John, if all he had left was a 1000 chip and its end of rebuys then he would have wanted to double up or take a double rebuy/top up

To fold top pair when you have 8000 chips left is mad

I pulled 2 sheffield players up for similar thing the other day, needless to say i bubbled too but I felt better for speaking out

i think that i would have called on the flop because

a) its in the rebuy stage and cupcake always has the option of a reby and add-on

b) its a sattelitte - even if a seat is won there is no guarantee of a draw

c) cupcake would be the 1st to admit he made the error, and afterall poker is all about taking advantage of other players mistakes

1 fact that nobody has yet to mention is that cupcake is a real fish imho, on top of that he is a lucky fish and if he had had Kx in his hand he would of probably sucked out on you richard so it was a good fold.

I think you are a good judge sir ;o)

Now when are we coming to your manor for a game?

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You should have called Tighty, but I think the fact that you're beating yourself up over what is a relatively small example of possible softplaying shows what a top banana you are.

Like everyone says give yourself a break ( and put a decent NFL tip in the sports section please!)

why is it a good post? have you not got thoughts of your own.

i think the word cheating is very harsh. it was the last hand of the re-buy period it was not as if it was a final table and cupcake moved up the money places if cupcake loses the hand he re-buys if Richard loses the hand he has 7000 chips..

i cant see how anybody can call Richard or john cheats, surely cheating is premeditated, if you cheat dont you get something out of it. the fact that tight end posted about it is bugging him slightly and he feels that he has made a MISTAKE, he does not feel as though he has CHEATED.

Yes, i do think once he has hit his hand, if he thinks he is in front he should call but is top pair shit kicker an automatic call from somebody who was going to raise PF(flushy dont answer that). If you think it is please tell me what games you are playing in.

It sounds like collusion to me, i'm going to start a post on the 2+2 forum and see if I can get a sponser at the same time.

Think you'll struggle to get any body to believe you unless you have damning evidence such as.......Copied MSN chat

Bah I had it on my other computer but the fan broke, i'll get it restored at some stage though......


 :)up

 rotflmfao

Perhaps the reason that you feel uneasy (but can't put your finger on it) is that your soft play most likely removed a further buy-in from the satellite pot, and therefore from the prize money.

This is quite low on the list of deliberate and accidental misdemeanours that crop up all the time in cardrooms, but on the list it most certainly is.

Thank you for all the feedback, will sincerely attempt not to repeat my mistake/misdemeanour again

Will you be doing some sort of voulntary community service to attone for this atrocity?

yes, I occasionally unblock Poppet from MSN as penance.

Interesting discussion.

Cheating, Collusion!!!!! a little harsh in my opinion, if that was the intent i am sure Tighty wouldnt have even started the debate.

Personally i think SPORTSMANSHIP should be applauded as in this day and age "win at any cost" prevails far to often, and as somebody said "it's only a game of cards"

Sometimes you need to undertake "life changing experiences" to put important things into perspective!!!!!

PMSL.



PS Dan, stop talking about passing top pair, makes me feel ill.

i always felt the good post icon was self explanatory!!!!!!!!!!!


the MAJORITY of respondants feel  uneasy about tightends action,as does he it seems.

should a ruling of been asked for at the time, im sure even  they would have had a minimum of at least  a   quiet word,if not an official warning.


have a nice day,

hmmm............ask for a ruling............Luton...............maybe not eh