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« on: January 16, 2007, 02:23:11 PM »

I play the game to a certain personal "code". Most of it is obvious..win well, lose well etc etc

No whooping and hollering!

Last night my desire to do so backfired I think

Its a Luton festival satellite, one hand before the end of the rebuy period and I am in the BB with Q5 and 8,000 chips. With ten seats on offer and 40 left this is comfortable enough

On the button is Cupcake, a good friend of mine and many of yours, with one green 1,000 chip and he throws it in silently when passed to him on the button

A third player insists this goes as a call (correct rule in this venue) and it does so, with no complaint from Cupcake

SB completes, I check

flop Q x x

SB checks, I check mentally not really playing the hand (unforgivable but true) and Cupcake sticks the last 900 in, having as it turns out no part of it

I fold. Show him the Q and say something to the effect of "I wouldn't have called pre-flop, I am not going to take advantage of a genuine error now"

No one complains, Cupcake thanks me and compliments me later, off-table, for the fold .

I wasn't soft-playing him, I would have passed to any player who I knew had made a genuine mistake there. Knowing Cupcake well, I knew he made an honest mistake. Perhaps it might best be described as I would have soft-played anyone there. Maybe it wasn't soft-playing and was merely sportsmanship. My head has been turning with this stuff for 16 hours now!!

However later I knew I had got it wrong...I should have been playing to win every chip regardless of whoever made an error, and a third party on the table would have had every right to have complained, my having shown the Queen. I think.

Perhaps my judgement now is influenced by the fact I bubbled, not unusually, but I would be interested in your thoughts

 
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 02:29:38 PM »

If others knew you knew cupcake that would look pretty dodgy... In fact against anyone it looks pretty dodgy if you were doing it why didnt you just muck??
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 02:31:37 PM »

You have to go fr the win tighty. Always. Its not your fault she made the error so its (NOT-[sorry]) up to you to get her out of it. No one in my casino would have been so polite.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 02:31:46 PM »

no idea why I showed, with hindsight. Sometimes you do things and think afterwards "huh?!"

People knew I knew Cupcake.
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 02:36:45 PM »

no idea why I showed, with hindsight. Sometimes you do things and think afterwards "huh?!"

People knew I knew Cupcake.

I dont persnally see you showing being a problem (if some1 had kicked up a fuss u can always argue you put her on a higher hand or trips!). The problem is you not calling her all in on the flop.
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2007, 02:39:36 PM »

Cupcake is very much a "he"!

I passed ..not wanting to take advantage of a genuine error. In fact, that is precisely what I should have been doing.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2007, 02:42:53 PM »

Sorry to cupcake- just sounds like summat i would call the missus!!

Yeh but poker is a game of learning from mistakes.

Be honest would you do it agin second time round?
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2007, 02:44:54 PM »



Be honest would you do it agin second time round?

No. I think. The whole thing has made me feel uncomfortable with myself
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 02:46:43 PM »

No. I think. The whole thing has made me feel uncomfortable with myself

What in like you dont know which lifestyle choice to make?
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 02:48:53 PM »

I won't deliberately try go gain an advantage from a genuine error.

If a player accidentally exposes his cards, I don't insist that his hand is dead.

If a pot is mistakenly given to me and then the cards are mucked, I would still return the chips to the winner.

If someone online was disconnected heads up or short handed, I would try to slow the game down to allow him to re-connect.

I won't say something nasty to deliberately wind up my opponent in an attempt to unsettle him/her.

Sportsmanship is important to me, I don't believe in winning at any cost, some things are more important than money.




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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 02:49:32 PM »

er, no!

just uneasy.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 02:52:19 PM »

Poker IMO is playing the game with as few mistakes as possible and to take advantage of ANY mistakes made by your opponents, Cupcake made a mistake and you "should" of taken instant advantage of that.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2007, 02:55:07 PM »

I agree and it isnt in my opinion being unsportsman like!
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2007, 02:55:25 PM »

I think you're being unnecessarily hard on yourself Tighty.

I think allowances have to be made for the experience of the player involved in the mistake. If it was a novice who didn't know of the 'single oversize chip is a call' rule then your actions are fair enough. I have cut novices some slack before when it comes to that sort of thing (like showing them how to look at their cards so no one else can see them).

But Cupcake knows the score - he's made the final three tables at the World Series. If I'd been in his position, I would actually have been quite annoyed at you for not fulling making use of the situation I'd presented you with through my own carelessness.
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2007, 03:01:25 PM »

I must admit to being a little confused here. Cupcake had th option of not putting the last 900 in, but he chose to do it anyway. Why would the call have been un-sporting?
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