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You are playing .5/1 NLHE.

You are dealt AA in early position and make it 5 to play.  You pick up 2 callers.

Flop comes Q75 rainbow.

First to act, you bet 10 into a 16 ish pot.

Player 1 folds, and Player 2 moves all in for your 100 or so remaining.

Do you:-

a) Call
b) Fold

What's the raiser like, manic (likely), solid, tilting....?

Only just joined the table, no reads on his game at that point.

If the other guy is Ironside ... call like a shot.... he will have AK  ;D

(Thats another thread its in :) )

Alarm bells suggest he's hit a set, fold

Will wait for some thoughts and votes before I post any more. 

I want to see people's thoughts on the matter, as I have thought about this hand a lot.

hes only got one of three hands aq 77 or 55 at them odds id fold unless on tilt which is regular lol    pokerram

Call all day long.

Then reload and get the chips back off him if need be.

Ok he may have a set but could be AQ,KQ,QJ whatever

At these levels it might be overplaying a hand not a set

What about QQ?

he wouldnt re raise all in with QQ ... he doesnt know you have AA so he wants to bleed you dry

He tries to milk you with a set in a cash game, not win it there and then

That was one of the things which I was thinking about at the time.

If he had QQ, surely he would have flat called as to get me to bet into him on subsequent streets?

Depends on the notes I had on the player. If I had no read/notes I would probably call-its a cash game and you can easily reload.
 Why would the raise be so big with just a set? Ok we all know about the overbetting monster hands principle online but I would still call.
If he had QQ he wouldve reraised preflop most of the time (most players would), so if he does have a set it would have to be 5s or 7s. It easier to have a hand like AQ than 55 or 77 up against you (there are 6 combinations of cards making 55 or 77 and 9 ways of making AQ). On the pure maths side of things it is therefor more likely he has AQ. Without alot more information it is very difficult to say what I would do for certain but on the info given CALL, sometimes you have to say "fkit- if you got it you got it". On a board of say 9TJ I would say fold but on that board I would call and probably lose (you wouldn't be posting unless you hadn't called and lost).

..and could also be misplaying a set. He's hit trip Queens, got excited, and pressed the all in button whilst reaching for the box of kleenex.

I reckon the other bloke played 5 7 suited, and ended up hitting a backdoor flush :)

57 suited was a hand I have not given credit for as it wasn't me or bradley in the hand with him. If it was a higher level cash game I would say 57 suited is the most likely hand but then again you should have notes on players likely to play these kinds of hands.

Ok basically I still don't, and never will, know what he had.  

I am interested in the assessment of the hand of players better than me though!  

The long and short of it is that I folded, and am still wondering whether I was beat or not.  I asked him in the chat box but he told me I had to have paid to see his cards.  

Obviously, if I call, I am hoping he has KK or AQ, although if he had KK I would expect to get re raised pre flop.  

If he is ahead, I would not put him on QQ, for reasons stated by others, possible re raise pf, plus the need to milk me on later streets.

A lower set is certainly possible, although in that position I would have been tempted to flat call to try to milk.

This guy did this several times throughout the session to other players as well - so am not convinced I was behind in a big pot.

I beat myself up about this hand a little bit, as I consider myself to be too passive and risk averse, which is why I wanted to see other players' opinions.

Sorry, should say that he did this to other players AFTER he did it to me!  Had no notes on him at the time.

OK, that's an honest assessment

Seeing as you can make £100 the next day on your machines, call next time!!!

You shouldn't beat yourself up for information you found out afterwards (ie that he was doing it a lot).

LOL!

I wasnt so much beating myself up over that, just the fact that I have a tendency to throw away the best hand, when I don't have the nuts and am heavily bet into.

My oppinion is if you are too passive and risk averse in your own eyes then you shouldn't be playing cash games and should be sticking to STTs and MTTs. If the guy did it a few more times I would confidently say you were ahead 100% sure. This tactic is used alot where people assume you have AK with a preflop raise then reraise you on any board not containing an ace or a king. I would play 57 suited or 5s or 7s to your initial raise but I wouldn't be going allin on you and losing my customer after I have hit the dream (not unless I was 100% certain you had aces anyway). THis was definately a bad pass IMO and you should avoid cash games until you are confident enough to call these down- you will lose some of the hands but folding is a huge -EV play.

Vamp...read, inwardly digest and learn.......a great post!!!

Very interested in your comments, Ariston, as I know you are a successful player.  

When I play cash I like the smaller PPs for that prime reason, if you hit a set you can get a lot of money off someone who can't lay a big starting hand down.

As far as what you said about leaving cash games is concerned, I will give you a brief rundown of my poker.  I started playing about 8 months ago, and read a lot of books/articles as I am very interested in the game, and its potential to be an income source (I am already a professional gambler in another field).  Played solely MTTs and STTs with mixed success, and made a tiny profit.  My mate tried to convert me to cash games, eventually I gave them a try and since multitabling on .15p/.25p and now $.5/$1, I have built a 1k bankroll up to 1.8k in a month just playing solid poker, playing sometimes often, and sometimes not for a few days.

The thing is, I am striving to become a better player.  I think I made a mistake with this hand, and one of my main faults (in life, not just in poker), is that I think about the consequences of my actions too much.  I do tend to have a tendency to throw away the best hand when I am heavily bet into, but I am trying to rectify that fault as in my opinion its the biggest problem with my game.  

he is taking the piss here surely  ;D

spotting your weeknesses and acting on them is a good starting point vamp.
kev I will offer you one more than 3 caffeine based drinks  ;)

Very good  ;D

lol .. like it :)

Just because I have had a bad few months doesn't mean the answers aren't all up there. I have all the information in this bald ugly head to be a superstar I just cant seem to use the plays at the right time lol. Maybe I can train up a protegey who can take the poker world by storm   ::)
WOnder which on of kev or robert will be the first to use the 3drinks line???

I hear Thee from Thine  is looking for a daddy :)

I want to be your young, fresh faced protegy.

Least you can spell it Rob lol. I wouldn't want to be Thee from Thines daddy though, can you imagine trying to explain why its better to play 67 to a raise than AJ? hehe. He has already won more than me and has his very own distinctive style anyway

What a polite desciption.

.. and there may be an element of truth in the need for lessons thing, I have a wallet looking like a leaking bucket atm.   >:(

As I said on another thread somewhere, I think there are much better spots to put your money in in cash games than AA after a flop where the opponent represents trips.

Fold.

I say Call!!!

I've been playing these low limit NLHE games for a few months and noticed that this a typical play of someone holding poket Js 10s and 9s. With a rainbow flop he'll call you down with any set and move in at the river. With A Q he'd re-raise but not all in.

As Robert said he may have got over excited but you'll be ahead more often than not!!

At last I found a poker question I can answer from experience :) :) :)

Thanks for the chance Vamp

Del

Gotta call.  Not many players would move straight in with a hand beating you.  If he has you beat then good luck to him .. just gonna have to pay him off this time!

first of all Vamp, - calling ariston a 'successful player' is the worst read you ever made!... and secondly folding AA on a Q,7,5 board to this guy and in this situation is the 2nd worst read you made.

you have to call in this situation! - if he moves in on you here for what really is a huge overbet then just how strong can his hand be?! - he doesnt want you to call, its an obvious weak hand and his play is shouting to you from the rooftops of weakendom (a place where weak people who play weak hands live)

and as tightend says, call and if your wrong you'll just re-load and get em back later.


... i am just gonna clean my coffee off the screen now!.. ariston - loooooool  ;D :D


sorry, russ, i am only joking mate, and know you can take a ribbing!  :-*

Thanks for all the advice guys - think it has proved something to me now, that I am too risk averse and although I knew that, I needed other people to tell me that as well.

Will be playing for a long session today, so hopefully I can try to improve in this respect starting from NOW!

Let us know how you get on........

Excellent, was in the process of making a 'Woosh' post when the penny dropped

A positive start!

Played a 2 hour session (2 tables) at $.5/$1, and ended it $125 up overall, despite missing virtually every draw I had.

Won a couple of big pots where I made exactly those calls I was not making that we were discussing. 

I backed my judgement, and played with more confidence after what was said on here, so really happy with my mornings work!

 ;D Well done, keep it going


Listening to some of the guys on here does help you see. Just ignore Tikay

I would have folded.

well u guys changed my mind called couple of times on pokerstars today good advice thanks again guys