Call or Fold? Poll

[ariston]

57 suited was a hand I have not given credit for as it wasn't me or bradley in the hand with him. If it was a higher level cash game I would say 57 suited is the most likely hand but then again you should have notes on players likely to play these kinds of hands.

[vampitup]

Ok basically I still don't, and never will, know what he had.  

I am interested in the assessment of the hand of players better than me though!  

The long and short of it is that I folded, and am still wondering whether I was beat or not.  I asked him in the chat box but he told me I had to have paid to see his cards.  

Obviously, if I call, I am hoping he has KK or AQ, although if he had KK I would expect to get re raised pre flop.  

If he is ahead, I would not put him on QQ, for reasons stated by others, possible re raise pf, plus the need to milk me on later streets.

A lower set is certainly possible, although in that position I would have been tempted to flat call to try to milk.

This guy did this several times throughout the session to other players as well - so am not convinced I was behind in a big pot.

I beat myself up about this hand a little bit, as I consider myself to be too passive and risk averse, which is why I wanted to see other players' opinions.

[vampitup]

Sorry, should say that he did this to other players AFTER he did it to me!  Had no notes on him at the time.

[TightEnd]

OK, that's an honest assessment

Seeing as you can make £100 the next day on your machines, call next time!!!

[Bongo]

You shouldn't beat yourself up for information you found out afterwards (ie that he was doing it a lot).

[vampitup]

LOL!

[vampitup]

I wasnt so much beating myself up over that, just the fact that I have a tendency to throw away the best hand, when I don't have the nuts and am heavily bet into.

[ariston]

My oppinion is if you are too passive and risk averse in your own eyes then you shouldn't be playing cash games and should be sticking to STTs and MTTs. If the guy did it a few more times I would confidently say you were ahead 100% sure. This tactic is used alot where people assume you have AK with a preflop raise then reraise you on any board not containing an ace or a king. I would play 57 suited or or to your initial raise but I wouldn't be going allin on you and losing my customer after I have hit the dream (not unless I was 100% certain you had aces anyway). THis was definately a bad pass IMO and you should avoid cash games until you are confident enough to call these down- you will lose some of the hands but folding is a huge -EV play.

[TightEnd]

My oppinion is if you are too passive and risk averse in your own eyes then you shouldn't be playing cash games and should be sticking to STTs and MTTs. If the guy did it a few more times I would confidently say you were ahead 100% sure. This tactic is used alot where people assume you have AK with a preflop raise then reraise you on any board not containing an ace or a king. I would play 57 suited or or to your initial raise but I wouldn't be going allin on you and losing my customer after I have hit the dream (not unless I was 100% certain you had aces anyway). THis was definately a bad pass IMO and you should avoid cash games until you are confident enough to call these down- you will lose some of the hands but folding is a huge -EV play.

Vamp...read, inwardly digest and learn.......a great post!!!

[vampitup]

Very interested in your comments, Ariston, as I know you are a successful player.  

When I play cash I like the smaller PPs for that prime reason, if you hit a set you can get a lot of money off someone who can't lay a big starting hand down.

As far as what you said about leaving cash games is concerned, I will give you a brief rundown of my poker.  I started playing about 8 months ago, and read a lot of books/articles as I am very interested in the game, and its potential to be an income source (I am already a professional gambler in another field).  Played solely MTTs and STTs with mixed success, and made a tiny profit.  My mate tried to convert me to cash games, eventually I gave them a try and since multitabling on .15p/.25p and now $.5/$1, I have built a 1k bankroll up to 1.8k in a month just playing solid poker, playing sometimes often, and sometimes not for a few days.

The thing is, I am striving to become a better player.  I think I made a mistake with this hand, and one of my main faults (in life, not just in poker), is that I think about the consequences of my actions too much.  I do tend to have a tendency to throw away the best hand when I am heavily bet into, but I am trying to rectify that fault as in my opinion its the biggest problem with my game.  

[Colchester Kev]

Very interested in your comments, Ariston, as I know you are a successful player.  

he is taking the piss here surely 

[ariston]

spotting your weeknesses and acting on them is a good starting point vamp.
kev I will offer you one more than 3 caffeine based drinks 

[Robert HM]

spotting your weeknesses and acting on them is a good starting point vamp.
kev I will offer you one more than 3 caffeine based drinks 

Very good 

[Colchester Kev]

lol .. like it

[ariston]

Just because I have had a bad few months doesn't mean the answers aren't all up there. I have all the information in this bald ugly head to be a superstar I just cant seem to use the plays at the right time lol. Maybe I can train up a protegey who can take the poker world by storm  
WOnder which on of kev or robert will be the first to use the 3drinks line???