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I know many people on Blonde have proven that they can do this well and their results prove this. Blondites such as tank and Dale ( an Alien, I am sure of it  :D ) are perfect examples of two multi tablers who play many tables and have the results to show that they are on top of each game. I know there are a whole lot more on the forum who can also do this, so forgive me if I have not given you a mention above  :D .  One time I saw gank playing about 30 odd tables, is it really possible to calculate odds, etc playing so many?

The reason I ask this is after something I read in a chat box earlier on Stars.  One player made a bad read and he was criticised for his error after he lost a massive pot.  He said in his defence "Shut it fish, lol. I am playing four tables, it is tough to focus".      This wasn't a $0.05/0.10 NL cash table,  it was a $25/50 NL table. 

Over the last couple of days, I have decided not to play 2/3 tables and instead concentrate on only one game. Normally I am struggling to accurately calculate pot odds and have a good mental image of each of my opponents based on the previous hands that have already been played during the game. Most of the time, I can't remember who did what and in what situations they previously raised, etc because 24 opponents spread over three tables is a lot to keep track of.  With one table, this was completely opposite. I was able to build up a character profile for each of my opponents, I had ample time to work on the maths side of the game and I felt completely in control of each decision.  This was obviously due to the fact I only had 8 people to keep an eye on.

In your honest opinion, do you feel your game deteriorates while playing more than one table?   I know pokertracker can help with this, but to what degree can it help. I have made more over the last few days playing 1 table on Hills, than I normally do when trying to split my focus between two or three tables.

I am not sure if there are any Internet pro's who play only one table. In the past, I have seen Clubber sitting at only one table on many occasions on VC, but I may be wrong .

From now on, it is only one game at a time.  I am not sure if this makes me a bad player or stupid, but I know my playing level is much better with 100% focus on everything that is happening on one table.

What do you think?    1 table or many tables?   :)

it all depends on what you play, I guess. If I play cash HU or decent stakes STT HU I wouldn't even consider opening another table.
If I play turbo sats to the sunday mill I will play several...always making sure I don't have more then 2 in the freezeout stage. I don't need to pay attention in them..just push with any premium hand and fold the rest.

I am not one for multitabling as I try to play the player more then the cards in the games I play but respect to anyone who can do it.

It is an amazing skill to have, I wish I had it and am very jealous of those who do  :D

When i play, No.
 ;frustrated;

The answer is simple, Sark. Anyone would play better if concentrating on ONE table at a time.

But SOME can win more by playing slightly worse but on multi-tables & thus winning, in pure monetary terms, more cash. But eventually something called the law of diminishing returns kicks in. It comes in at different stages for different peoole, but it probably optimises at between 1 & 2 tables. Many will disagree, that's called ego, or when claiming how many tables they can efficeintly play, "who's got the biggest dick". Same as those who say "I drink 10 pints last night, some ejit will always say they drunk 12.

Don't be, not if you want to enjoy your poker. It's a game, not a race.

i drank for my county

EXACTLY my point - peeps who say that sort of thing.

Tikay that's not always true, if i am playing the early stages of a freezeout i am my own worst enemy, if i play 2 i do play better as i get less involved.

2 but not 8:)

I mentioned to tank the other day what it feels like for me if I try to play loads of tables.  Remember the Blackpool game with the heads that pop up and your aim is to hit them with a sponge hammer. It is like that only it is beeps as each table is asking you to act.  beep, beep, beep.....ahhhhhhhhhhh  ;frustrated;

I think if you're learning or trying to improve your game at a certain level (like, you're moving up to a higher buyin cashgame or learning to play limit omaha SNGs or whatever really) then it makes sense to play 1 or 2 tables so you can sit and observe and think deeper about things.

For multitabling optimal in $/hr terms for most players who are already crushing the game would be around 6-8 tables for cash and 9-12 for SNGs where the decisions are a lot easier.
Using macros to map keys to functions will help a lot. For SNGs I use a modded version of _dave_'s betpot script so that i can press F1 to fold, F2 to check/call and F3 to push, and the mousewheel to set bet amout.

I made a video of myself playing 21 SNGs withouttiming out last night just for a laugh, i think if I can get up to 30 without timing out I'll put it on youtube, should be good fun  ;yippee;

so turn the sound off?

you're a sick, sick man! :)

Have you given any thought as to a background track?

open to suggestions, something fast, maybe that busta rhymes knightrider remix.

lol,  what is going on in your head while playing 21 tables?   is it panic, stress and confusion  or is it calm and relaxed? .  I must be a bit dim  :D , I get mixed up with two tables 

I wonder if older players such as Doyle Brunson and TJ Cloutier prefer playing one table rather than a lot. I have heard them say a few things about internet players in the past which led me to believe that they weren't into multi tabling.

Are there any internet pro's who only play a single table?

Noted, but you'll agree, at SOME point, the LODR kicks in.

Of course.

Dale makes my point perfectly!

How about 40 tables? 50? 60? How cool would that be, eh?

As tikay points out there is hardly a person alive that wouldn't play better if they only played one game at once, but i would disagree with the optimium level for making £/ per hour for everyone is 1/2 tables.

I play 4 cash games at once making sure they are all the same limit and game, i play far from optimally but in the long run i play well enough to beat the game for more than 1/4 of what my win rate would be 1 tabling and more than 1/2 winrate 2 tabling etc.........................

I do use PT with PA hud and i find this a necessity and play without overlap. I also play quite a straightforward game but i do take notes constantly and try to watch big pots that evolve on each table so i can adjust my game to the various players.  Also i do a little that every 15 mins i try to go through each table and go through in my mind (and sometimes outloud) what i know about every one of my opponents.

I did go through a break multitabling stt's on stars and i found that i could easily cope with 6 or 7 turbos at once. I did try playing 10 but found that too many.

Also another thing with multitabling is that stops a certain amount of boredom during cold cards and stops me getting FPS (fancy play syndrome)

I find i can win playing 4 STTs/MTTs, but need to develop my focus more to play 8. I seem to lose when playing 6-8. I can play upto 8 cash tables though.

Could never play like 30.

The optimum varies from person to person, I don't disagree that yours is maybe 4 or even more. Just don't try convincing me you can play 10 or 15 or 20 as well as you can play 1 o 2 or 4 'cos that kite won't ever fly! NOBODY can play 20 at a time as well as they can play 1 or 2 at a time. End of.

Here is the post with gank .  46 tables

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=11354.0

CAN play 8, CAN play 10, CAN play 20, CAN play 30, that's not the point. Even I can play 20. It's playing them optimally that's key.

Don't stop me now?

Pretty relaxed.
The most tables I can tile with no overlap is 20 so when I play over 20 I just stack them up on top of each other and use the popup feature.
When I make my action that table vanishes and the next one in line pops up.
So obviously I'm playing these pretty much readless but I still think I'm +ev in them at the lower levels and anyway I'm just playing that many for a laugh so my plan to try to play 30 tables at once will be at the lowest buyin so I don't care if it's profitable or not, it's just a bit of fun.

I just need to get a macro script working for auto-registering for games. The two that are around just now don't work for me and it takes too many seconds to do it manually each time :-(



That would be amazing !!! I'd love to see that being done. Probably not possible on stars since they made the time to act only 12 seconds now.

excellent, ty Claw

Why do techies keep trying to make computers smaller and smaller?

Nothing wrong with a bit of human endeavour to drive us all forward.

A youthful impulse to test boundries and striving to reach horizons, usually a good thing.

ive been told  ;tk;

Stars reduced the time to act since then, probably too many people lagging the games.

:(

ah..you women all look a like ;)

lol

can i just ask who Gank is?

I play up to 8 tables at a time. Actually though, I reckon my optimal profit comes from playing 6 tables. I usually play 6 but if it seems likely I'm going to bust out in one, I'll open up another table.

For me, it really suits my style to multi-table. I find it much easier to play to a fairly set system than to watch my opponents like a hawk, constantly adapting my play.

If I just played one table my ROI would definitely be higher but as a multi-tabler, hourly profit is far more important than ROI. For sngs in particular, I can make far more per hour at medium stakes than I would make single tabling at high stakes.

By the way, I think my ROI would be almost exactly the same whether I am 2 tabling or 6 tabling. The skills are the same. Playing 7 or 8 tables I feel a bit rushed if I have 2 or heads up situations at once - and so am liable to make some expensive mistakes.

As far as calculating pot odds is concerned - I don't. Well, not usually anyway. It's impossible to do at speed. Instead, I remember profitable situations. e.g. When blinds are x and I have 99 and our relative stacks are y and z is it a profitable situation or not to go all-in? Fast decision - hit the appropriate button. Most of this is subconscious. I only really consciously think about the very difficult decisions.

I don't use poker tracker, though I can see why it might be useful. One great advantage of multi-tabling is that you get into the same situations regularly. In one session where I might play 35 tourneys I'll get a pair of 99 maybe 10 times. I'll soon find out within a  few sessions whether I'm playing 99 profitably or not.

http://www.gankowns.com/

He is a online player.   I read an argument recently on P5's with him and actionjeff  " I am better than you are"  ,  "no, I am better than you are", "no, I am much better"

ah recognise him from the world series now.

didnt they get marcil luske to chose a suit for him!

I play one table (MTT)

I will play two if I have to, but I don't play as well and I do miss things and make mistakes with bet amounts.

3 tables or more and I'm a robot at best, and a fairly predictable, fishy robot at that.

I guess there is no reason why a pro couldn't make a living playing just 1 table. If you consider that up until recently all pro's only played 1 table at a time before online poker. It is probably easier now as well due to thousands of tables to chose from spread over about 300 sites

I'm great at playing one table. But when I start playing two or more, I become a losing player. Plus, I don't enjoy playing anymore when multi-tabling. So I've stopped doing it now. The only time I do multi-table is if there are two tournaments which I'm really interested in playing in which overlap. I don't normally play ring games anymore, as I've finally conceeded that I don't have the right mindset for grinding it out.

same here

I noticed that going from playing two cash tables to playing three created a HUGE drop off in my returns, 'diminishing' (as tikay would put it) probably doesn't do the concept justice in as far as it applies to me.

"Law of Plummeting Returns", there ya go.

Maybe one day I'll gain the discipline to play three or four properly; right now I can more or less cope with two.

One benefit I find when playing 3 tables (my 'optimum' level recently), is that I am less likely to be side-tracked by this and other forums (yes, Tikay - there are others out there too!); or by the TV, replying to emails, etc.

If I'm playing 3 cash tables, I find it extremely useful to multi-table, as I can find a good profitable table, and if the other tables aren't as good I can close them and look for others whilst still bringing in a profit on the good table(s) I'm playing on.  Also, if the players that make these profitable tables leave and the whole balance of the table changes, then I've usually found another decent table and I don't feel I have to hang around too long on a table that has 'dried up'.

 :dontask:

I play 2-3 tables at once online, HU and SnG sometimes a MTT on top. I play much better when playing more than one because I seem to suffer from 'action boredom', if I'm at one MTT for example there are only so many hands you can fold before you want to make a move out of boredom. I would have to say that most money I make in SnGs does not come from good reads or outplaying good players or bullying all the time, but from outlasting what are overall very poor players. I play 6 seater SnG with slow blind ramps and if some unfortunate disconnects at the start you often find them coming about 3rd. People almost always put too much weight into 'Attack' over 'survive'.
The only problem comes in MTTs late stages when reads and moves are more important, you're costing yourself hundreds there if you can't dedicate your focus. Noting individual differences in opponents can make all the difference.
So, this being so, I find playing 4x SnG and letting fish give you their chips for a while is best for me.
Live multitabling, I find this much more difficult but good for overall stamina...Current record is 12, but I did break my toe that time.

lol

Spot on.

It's different strokes for different folks (and different games) IMO though. The LDMR may well optimise between 1 & 2 tables for some but equally may be between 3 & 4 for others. Especially with cash games. Even more so with say limit cash games.

The reverse of this is also possible. A skilled multi tabler can easily get bored, frustrated, impatient, etc, by not playing enough for their attention span. The LDMU also comes into play here.

In some cases it is clearly ego with multi tabling but in others it could just be good common sense to multi table more than 1 or 2 at once.

I dont think estimating where the LDMR optimises is really possible unless it's over a huge sample.

I will stick with my one $0.25/0.50 NL table for now  :D . Perhaps in the future I may add another

Sark, one thing I would like to tell you---- as an old grandma--- take your time and do your own way:)

My Grandma told me to play as many table as I could

Regards

JJ

but you are tank not sark:)

She taught me to suck eggs

In that post, I was JJ

lol,  tank has a much larger brain than me  :D . He can play 4 tables and take part in blonde forum quizzes(sp?) at the same time like a few weeks back. I bet he can eat toast as well while doing both these things.  Dale can do all this while playing 12 though, so his brain capacity may be higher still, however he didn't do the quiz as far as I can remember.  It is a draw

I play poker partly as a mental workout, and I really like to sometimes have 4 different tables on the go with different forms of poker. When I do it it will usually  consist of PL omaha.8 mtt, PL om/8 cash, limit om.8 cash, and NL HE MTT, sometimes with stts and other variations in there.

I find this gives me a really good mental workout, is frenetically enjoyable and helps to push back the degeneration of my brain caused by alcohol. It ups my hourly wn rate when I'm on the ball and helps my brain for when I'm playing fewer tables by forcing me to assess situations quicker, giving me more breathing space. When I'm really on my game, I'll run the four tables, whilst playing pro evolution soccer, cooking my dinner and making prank calls to a mate, using the arnold schwarzenegger (sic. as a parrot everytime i try and spell that) soundboard.

(http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/arnoldsm.html. I don't condone misuse of this, but if you do any good ones, make sure u record them for posterity)


People who play 20 tables are quite clearly insane but it is the kind of insanity I aspire to.

One game of OH does my head in at the moment :)
The soundboards/prank calls are priceless. Current favourites are the 'Shaggy' call to Fortnum & Mason, and the 'double prank call' where they get the chinese takeaway to repeat back their order, while hooking them up to another chinese takeaway. I'll try dig them up. Oh, and try 'Kerpal: your daughter shoot my dog'. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7cZiTYsMMY

Nothing to do with multitabling, sorry for going OT

Oh yeah, and this (gets me in tears) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj2oXMdZ4sk

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/takeaway.html

lmao. I heard the shaggy one a while ago, on steve penk's show. made me laugh a lot at the time.


Fonejacker did some good ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjH9cEoEup8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfy2daZLOvY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=372Ah0Z_L1w

i play 9 or 12 low limit cash games and make 10+bb/100 hands. I have a 19 inch monitor so there is overlap and i don't know most of the players, but i don't think i need to at this level. I have a set strategy, i know my numbers  so i can make decisions very quickly.

A lot of players play the same so a general set of rules i have in my head applies.

I am playing far from optimally and no doubt miss plenty of opportunties that i could exploit if just playing 3/4 tables, but at this level it just isn't required if you have discipline.

When i play higher i play 4 tables max.

I found myself playing 4 plo, 5nlhe, 2 mtts and 1 stt the other day. That, i don't recommend but was fun for an hour or so.

What are these?   :)

Is that not soul destroying?  ;goodvevil;