Title: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: johnbhoy76 on January 29, 2007, 11:56:59 PM I was playing an MTT tonight ($20 rebuy)
we were down to the last 40 or so and a guy on about 5000 went all in The chip leader who had about 60,000 flat called I had already folded when another player who was on about 25,000 went all in but before doing this he typed in the chat box "American Airlines" and something along the lines of "I suggest you fold" aimed at the chip leader. The chip leader did indeed fold and the guy turned over AA and knocked out the other guy with the small stack. Chip leader said thanks in the chat box and that he had QQ and the guy with AA said he didn't want to risk being outdrawn by the bigger stack and put out the Tourney. Not only do I think this is out of order but I think it is totally stupid on his part. He's going to have to go up against a bigger stack at some stage in the MTT so whet better time to do it than when you have AA! He later did something else when I was Big blind and he was small blind. There was one limper and then he dwelled up and typed in the chatbox "Hmmmmmmm 65 ?? " before folding. I had some rubbish like Q3 and just checked but the flop came 6 6 rag. So this muppet has now announced that a 6 has already been folded!! Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: thetank on January 30, 2007, 12:01:01 AM Jamie Gold has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: johnbhoy76 on January 30, 2007, 12:08:11 AM Jamie Gold has a lot to answer for. I've not seen any of the WSOP 2006 did he do something similar? Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: bhoywonder on January 30, 2007, 12:10:09 AM he gave away his hands a lot
even flashing a card whilst in play the dirty dog....worked for him but highly unethical Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: doubleup on January 30, 2007, 12:11:15 AM I would report him to support - obviously it depends on the site, but they should warn him.
Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: thetank on January 30, 2007, 12:11:34 AM It is naughty
Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: tikay on January 30, 2007, 12:24:29 AM It is naughty I've "flashed" one of my hole crds now & then recently when on a friendly table in Live Poker just to scare away the oppos, & have a bit of fun. I had K-4, the flop came K high, I flashed the damn 4. I got called. Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: thediceman on January 30, 2007, 12:34:48 AM I had someone flash a card to me whilst they were considering calling my raise. On showing me his card I told him his hand was dead and scooped the pot.
Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: RED-DOG on January 30, 2007, 01:02:38 AM I'm dead against all this kind of thing and would report anyone online or call for a ruling in a live game.
Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: Royal Flush on January 30, 2007, 05:24:30 AM I had someone flash a card to me whilst they were considering calling my raise. On showing me his card I told him his hand was dead and scooped the pot. Glad to see people winning in the spirit of the game. Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: thediceman on January 30, 2007, 09:22:06 AM I had someone flash a card to me whilst they were considering calling my raise. On showing me his card I told him his hand was dead and scooped the pot. Glad to see people winning in the spirit of the game. TY. Is it in the spirit of the game to flash your hand mid hand. The guy had done it before on other tables whilst others were still to act. Thats not in the spirit of the game. Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: johnbhoy76 on January 30, 2007, 11:04:45 AM I had someone flash a card to me whilst they were considering calling my raise. On showing me his card I told him his hand was dead and scooped the pot. Glad to see people winning in the spirit of the game. TY. Is it in the spirit of the game to flash your hand mid hand. The guy had done it before on other tables whilst others were still to act. Thats not in the spirit of the game. Agree 100% I mean what's next? Instead of betting money can we just bet that "everyone has a fun time" ? It's complete and utter nonsense Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: thetank on January 30, 2007, 03:51:56 PM E won't flash his blimmin cards again at least.
Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: TightPaulFolds on January 30, 2007, 04:06:20 PM There are 2 separate issues. One is revealing your hand, and personally I don't think it's that big a deal. You could be lying (this is what made Gold his chips, he wasn't lying most of the time, or Nguyen 'You call it's all over baby', as good as announcing a holding, but reverse bluffing also), or the Unabomber, flipping over an Ace to represent the flush on a draw. It's a grey area but I think it would be allowed, if it weren't for situations like the one you describe and players do not have the discretion to know when it is more than just declaring a holding, for very subtle reasons:
Second issue: it's pretty much collusion here. Big stacks don't want to knock each other out, but do want to knock out the little guy. By revealing AA he helps the other big stack to step aside, but the little guy may have no choice in believing it or not given his stack size. So sometimes you could do it, but not here. People can't discern, so you have to have a blanket ban. The short stack should get his buy-in back. Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: matt674 on January 30, 2007, 04:14:31 PM I'm dead against all this kind of thing and would report anyone online or call for a ruling in a live game. ;iagree; after slowrolling this is my biggest "peev" in poker. I will always refer people to the online rulebook after they do it for a first time and ask them not to do it again (its rule 16 in pokerstars tournament rules). If they continue then i report it because to me its collusion which is cheating. Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: temp0r on January 30, 2007, 04:53:54 PM how about this one then i encountered a while back...
live NL cash game. 5 are left as it's nearing sunrise now. blinds 1/2. i'm the biggest banker on the table currently with around 550. my opponent in this hand is the next highest stack with around 400. he raises under the gun to 12. folds to me. i'm on the button with 8h 7h and call. blinds fold. flop 5h 6h 6s he bets out 45. i move all-in. he now takes about 2 minutes thinking while the rest of the table discuss the hand out loud. eventually he shows 8s 8d without announcing anything. i ask "have you called or what?" "i haven't decided yet" he replies. the dealer takes his hole cards away from him and turns them over and pushes the pot to me. the tired and slightly drunk opponent then went mental and stormed off with his remaining stack to the cashier. was that dealt with correctly? Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: doubleup on January 30, 2007, 06:10:42 PM was that dealt with correctly? Yes, if the rules in the cardroom are that exposed cards are dead. Title: Re: What's the rules on giving away your hand? Post by: CRIPPIN on January 30, 2007, 06:49:11 PM LOL....Don't get me started on hole cards been discussed at the table!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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