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Title: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on January 31, 2007, 11:27:50 PM
Ok, I'm gonna go for it!

Starting at midnight, I'm aiming to get 1/10th of the supernova elite status.

I want to keep focused on playing winning poker and not just earning the points.

Going to have a marathon session starting tomorrow, because I can't play on Saturday (going to the R's) and won't play much on Sunday (it's superbowl Sunday!). So Thursday and Friday I'm going to try and get a head start!

I'll keep you updated on my progress or lack of it!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: doubleup on January 31, 2007, 11:32:29 PM
Best of luck to you!



Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: Swordpoker on January 31, 2007, 11:32:36 PM
Woohoo! The quest begins! Best of luck (and skill) to you.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: Tractor on February 01, 2007, 12:25:11 AM
Top stuff, keep us posted.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: The Baron on February 01, 2007, 12:33:13 AM
Top stuff Keith. Good luck mate.

We're in for a treat!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: I, Zimbra on February 01, 2007, 01:05:30 AM
;goodluck;


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: boldie on February 01, 2007, 09:42:38 AM
goodluck Mr Camel, sir!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: Nem on February 01, 2007, 11:54:26 AM
Going to watch the R's  = rotflmfao

Good Luck, Sir ;tightend;



Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: SupaMonkey on February 01, 2007, 08:03:09 PM
 :respect:

Good luck m8.

 ;popcorn;


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: AlrightJack on February 01, 2007, 08:34:54 PM
Good luck


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: The Camel on February 02, 2007, 12:21:01 AM
Day 1

$570 Hu's Played 50. Won 29   Lost 21. Vpps earned 5,000    profit = +$3,400
$109 Tournament+3 rebuys. 13th of 192 Vpps earned 45  profit = +$537
$55 Tournament+ 5 rebuys. Unplaced. Vpps earned 25 profit = -$305

Total Profit = +$3,632 Total Vpps 5,070

A frustrating but ultimately sucessful day. Stormed off to 10-3 start and played flawless heads up poker. Then took a couple of beats, and before I knew where I was I was tired and just playing to rack up points... finished at 5am 14-11. Very disapointing to break my resolution of not playing for points so quickly!

Played much better this afternoon/evening. The games were very soft and I managed to exploit them.

Just one han to prove just how soft these games can be... this was the third hand of the match..

PokerStars Game #8225291683: Tournament #41955619, $550+$20 Hold'em No Limit -
Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2007/02/01 - 08:47:19 (ET)
Table '41955619 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: The Camel (1530 in chips)
Seat 2: ohguy25 (1470 in chips)
The Camel: posts small blind 10
ohguy25: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Camel [Ac Kh]
The Camel: raises 40 to 60
ohguy25: raises 80 to 140
The Camel: raises 380 to 520
ohguy25: raises 950 to 1470 and is all-in
The Camel: calls 950
*** FLOP *** [2h 4h 2c]
*** TURN *** [2h 4h 2c] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [2h 4h 2c Th] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ohguy25: shows [Qs 7s] (a pair of Deuces)
The Camel: shows [Ac Kh] (a flush, King high)
The Camel collected 2940 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2940 | Rake 0
Board [2h 4h 2c Th 3h]
Seat 1: The Camel (button) (small blind) showed [Ac Kh] and won (2940) with a
flush, King high
Seat 2: ohguy25 (big blind) showed [Qs 7s] and lost with a pair of Deuces


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on February 02, 2007, 12:25:52 AM
Wow, Q7 lol... good going mate, gl


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: ACE2M on February 02, 2007, 12:27:44 AM
i'm looking forward to this thread more than any on blonde for a long time. crush em.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: thetank on February 02, 2007, 02:00:40 AM
Congrats on the winning start.

Makes you wonder, opponents like that in the $500+ heads up games. They'd be better playing blackjack or something. Gawd bless em.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: byronkincaid on February 02, 2007, 01:01:23 PM
Keith, Why do you play HU SNGs instead of HU cash?


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: boldie on February 02, 2007, 01:07:45 PM
Congrats on the winning start.

Makes you wonder, opponents like that in the $500+ heads up games. They'd be better playing blackjack or something. Gawd bless em.

lol on stars whenever I venture on to the 200$ HU matches (I ussually play on HP) the Q7 hits...stars hates me HU.
it is true though..there are some awfull HU players on stars at the higher levels...just not as bad as on hollywood..but games fill up faster on stars.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: The Baron on February 02, 2007, 02:33:20 PM
Top stuff Keith.

I know you have to behard on yourself but a winning start of 3k+ cant be bad!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: I, Zimbra on February 02, 2007, 04:56:57 PM
Awesome stuff... A $550 heads up, and a $3 play!

Just for perspective, Camel made in a (disappointing/frustrating) day what I made in the whole of December and January combined. And December was my best month to date.

It truly is a different level... The {lucky} hat is off, respect is due -

 ;hattip; :respect:


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: thetank on February 02, 2007, 06:19:25 PM
Is it coz rake kills you in HU cash?


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: Swordpoker on February 03, 2007, 02:04:29 AM
Keith, Why do you play HU SNGs instead of HU cash?

I assume because the rake would be a killer.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: boldie on February 03, 2007, 02:03:04 PM
Keith, Why do you play HU SNGs instead of HU cash?

I assume because the rake would be a killer.

you have to have a good rakeback deal when playing the lower levels of HU cash (2-4/3-6 etc) anything over that is sheer madness. I get a fair % which is why I can play 3/6, especially the level of players I encounter on 3-6 HU cash at 5Am is shockingly poor. This is gone when you move to 5-10/10-20 HU cash the games are much cagier at that level and you simply can not play cash there if the choice is between STT's and cash.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: DesD on February 03, 2007, 06:48:57 PM
Looking forward to following this thread very much....and the best of luck with your quest.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Dundonian on February 03, 2007, 11:59:56 PM
Best of luck Keith, a good start! Like the others am looking forward to following this thread!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: action man on February 06, 2007, 01:30:11 AM
Keith, Why do you play HU SNGs instead of HU cash?

I assume because the rake would be a killer.

you have to have a good rakeback deal when playing the lower levels of HU cash (2-4/3-6 etc) anything over that is sheer madness. I get a fair % which is why I can play 3/6, especially the level of players I encounter on 3-6 HU cash at 5Am is shockingly poor. This is gone when you move to 5-10/10-20 HU cash the games are much cagier at that level and you simply can not play cash there if the choice is between STT's and cash.

dunno where u been playing but ive never seen or played cagey Hu cash at 10-20 or 20-40


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: Royal Flush on February 06, 2007, 01:41:04 AM
Keith, Why do you play HU SNGs instead of HU cash?

I assume because the rake would be a killer.

you have to have a good rakeback deal when playing the lower levels of HU cash (2-4/3-6 etc) anything over that is sheer madness. I get a fair % which is why I can play 3/6, especially the level of players I encounter on 3-6 HU cash at 5Am is shockingly poor. This is gone when you move to 5-10/10-20 HU cash the games are much cagier at that level and you simply can not play cash there if the choice is between STT's and cash.

dunno where u been playing but ive never seen or played cagey Hu cash at 10-20 or 20-40

Glad i wasn't the only one thinking that.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on February 06, 2007, 01:50:18 AM
Keith, Why do you play HU SNGs instead of HU cash?

I assume because the rake would be a killer.

you have to have a good rakeback deal when playing the lower levels of HU cash (2-4/3-6 etc) anything over that is sheer madness. I get a fair % which is why I can play 3/6, especially the level of players I encounter on 3-6 HU cash at 5Am is shockingly poor. This is gone when you move to 5-10/10-20 HU cash the games are much cagier at that level and you simply can not play cash there if the choice is between STT's and cash.

dunno where u been playing but ive never seen or played cagey Hu cash at 10-20 or 20-40

Glad i wasn't the only one thinking that.

Depends if your playing or not.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Swordpoker on February 06, 2007, 02:08:31 AM
Camel, what bankroll requirements do you recommend for HU tourneys?


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on February 06, 2007, 03:01:16 AM
Day 2

$570 Hu's Played 17. Won 5   Lost 12. Vpps earned 1,700  (6,700)  profit = -$4,190 (-$790)
$1130 hu's played 1. Won 0   Lost 1     Vpps earned 150 (150)  profit = -$1130 (-$1130)
$230 hu's played 6. won 3 lost 3          Vpps earned 300 (300) profit = -$60 (-$60)
$10-20 PLO                                         Vpps earned 20 (20) prfit = -$1200 (-$1200)
$30-60 Limit holdem                             Vpps earned 30 (30) profit = $950 (+$950)

Total Profit = -$5630 (-$1,998) Total Vpps 2,200 (7,270)

A truly dreadful day. Played badly and ran worse. When you see me in a PLO rush into a seat; I'm a fish at the game. And I only play when I'm really looking to gamble.

However, look at the hand I lost my stack with... pretty sick.

PokerStars Game #8235415165:  Omaha Pot Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/02/01 - 21:53:40
(ET)
Table 'Lohja II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: sezn ($1110 in chips)
Seat 5: Marc Dino ($910 in chips)
Seat 8: 1959new ($1553 in chips)
Seat 9: The Camel ($1213 in chips)
1959new: posts small blind $10
The Camel: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Camel [Kh Ahrt Ad Kd]
sezn: calls $20
Marc Dino: calls $20
1959new: calls $10
The Camel: raises $80 to $100
sezn: calls $80
Marc Dino: folds
1959new: calls $80
*** FLOP *** [Aspades6c 2c]
1959new: checks
The Camel: bets $318
sezn: calls $318
1959new: calls $318
*** TURN *** [Aspades 6c 2c] [8h]
1959new: bets $1135 and is all-in
The Camel: calls $795 and is all-in
sezn: calls $692 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Aspades 6c 2c 8h] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
1959new: shows [Ac 8d 8c 7d] (a flush, Ace high)
The Camel: mucks hand
1959new collected $206 from side pot
sezn: mucks hand
1959new collected $3348 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3556 Main pot $3348. Side pot $206. | Rake $2
Board [Aspades 6c 2c 8h 3c]
Seat 2: sezn mucked [6s 7h 6h Kc]
Seat 5: Marc Dino (button) folded before Flop
Seat 8: 1959new (small blind) showed [Ac 8d 8c 7d] and won ($3554) with a flush,
Ace high
Seat 9: The Camel (big blind) mucked [Kh Ahrt Ad Kd]

I should have gone to bed!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Baron on February 06, 2007, 03:05:01 AM
I'll never winge about a bad day again I swear.

Unlucky Keith. I'm sure you can turn it around in a day or two mate.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on February 06, 2007, 03:11:35 AM
Day 3 and 4

Was never going to play on Saturday.. went down to see the R's play Burnley... They won!!! And then went on the piss celebrating a mate winning this: http://www.pokerpages.com/tournament/result16433.htm. a top evening out and I admit we were all worse for wear in the morning.

Decided to have Sunday off too... Actually managed to back the winner for once!


Day 5

$570 Hu's Played 13. Won 9   Lost 4. Vpps earned 1,300  (8,000)  profit = +$2,290 (+$1,700)
$1130 hu's played 3. Won 1   Lost 2     Vpps earned 450 (600)  profit = -$1,190 (-$2,320)

Total Profit = -+$1,100 (-$898) Total Vpps 1,750 (8,970)
I will post one interesting hand from today and answer the questions in the thread later today if that's ok chaps...



Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Canuck on February 06, 2007, 07:35:26 PM
I will post one interesting hand from today and answer the questions in the thread later today if that's ok chaps...

Def ok with me!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in Feruary
Post by: The Camel on February 07, 2007, 05:25:35 PM
Keith, Why do you play HU SNGs instead of HU cash?

I have tried head up cash and I'm just not as good at it. Stealing blinds and small pots is where I'm strong and the rising blinds make stealing imperitive in heads up sngs.

I guess I haven't got the patience to play heads up cash. I like the finite nature of the heads up sng and the fact you can make your opponent make a decision for all his chips. In cash game, they simply reload, so its not so easy to make them make hard decisions.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on February 07, 2007, 05:45:37 PM
Camel, what bankroll requirements do you recommend for HU tourneys?
Sword,

I would say 50 times the buyin of your chosen size game would be about right.

10 game downswings are not uncommon and since I started playing them I have had a couple of 25-30 game downturns. I think if you have a 50 game downturn you would have to accept you are terminally unlucky or the game is just too good for you..


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on February 07, 2007, 05:54:25 PM
Here's an interesting hand...

I have removed my hand from the hh... what do you think of my opponents play here? And what do you think my hand is?

PokerStars Game #8290211444: Tournament #42275069, $550+$20 Hold'em No Limit -
Match Round I, Level III (25/50) - 2007/02/05 - 09:10:44 (ET)
Table '42275069 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Villain80 (1735 in chips)
Seat 2: The Camel (1265 in chips)
The Camel: posts small blind 25
Villain80: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Villain80 [8h 9s]
The Camel: raises 50 to 100
Villain80: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [7s 5d Kc]
Villain80: bets 50
The Camel: raises 100 to 150
Villain80: calls 100
*** TURN *** [7s 5d Kc] [8d]
Villain80: bets 50
The Camel: raises 250 to 300
Villain80: calls 250
*** RIVER *** [7s 5d Kc 8d] [Js]
Villain80: checks
The Camel: bets 715 and is all-in
Villain80: calls 715


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Nem on February 07, 2007, 06:12:21 PM
 8c 6c

or if this is one of your "Donktards play at this level also" posts

 4c 4h


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: booder on February 07, 2007, 07:22:11 PM
 7c 8c


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on February 07, 2007, 07:25:45 PM
8c 9c


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: NoflopsHomer on February 07, 2007, 07:29:36 PM
 9d Td


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Royal Flush on February 07, 2007, 08:27:08 PM
I dunno exactly what but you have sweet FA


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: boldie on February 07, 2007, 08:47:07 PM
I dunno exactly what but you have sweet FA

lol that's what I thought at first but his betting doesn't make any sense for that..the raises are too small to be a bluff...(other then the river bet).

I don't like him calling your all-in bet with just the 8.

I'm taking you for a King+ (probably an underpair to the king quite possibly JJ)..but could be giving you WAY too much credit there.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Royal Flush on February 07, 2007, 09:02:41 PM
I dunno exactly what but you have sweet FA

lol that's what I thought at first but his betting doesn't make any sense for that..the raises are too small to be a bluff...(other then the river bet).

I don't like him calling your all-in bet with just the 8.

I'm taking you for a King+ (probably an underpair to the king quite possibly JJ)..but could be giving you WAY too much credit there.

That's the art in the bluff, building a pot to take away whilst telling a story of great strength. Keith also finds out if his oppo is strong as its hard for them to resist the 3 bet, the small raise leaves him back enough to fire a decent bet on the river.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: redsimon on February 07, 2007, 09:31:35 PM

Here's an interesting hand...

I have removed my hand from the hh... what do you think of my opponents play here? And what do you think my hand is?

 8c Tc


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Swordpoker on February 08, 2007, 01:35:53 AM
Gotta agree with you having sweet FA. He's only going to call you if he has really hit a straight - which is a possibility considering his flat calls. And that would make for an interesting hand ;)



If you weren't bluffing then I would say you hit your straight on the turn. Not much else I can put you on. Maybe  Kc Js but that would be too normal.

His calls are all pants. Had you been bluffing him a lot beforehand, perchance?


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Blackbeard on February 08, 2007, 11:53:02 PM
THE CAMEL IS FAMOUS!!!! Just watching him on a pokerxfactor video with com from johnny bax!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on February 10, 2007, 05:56:10 PM
Sorry about the interuption in service... been up to my eyes in stuff.

Here's the complete hand history.. Methinks Redssimon might have cheated!

PokerStars Game #8290211444: Tournament #42275069, $550+$20 Hold'em No Limit -
Match Round I, Level III (25/50) - 2007/02/05 - 09:10:44 (ET)
Table '42275069 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Villain80 (1735 in chips)
Seat 2: The Camel (1265 in chips)
The Camel: posts small blind 25
Villain80: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Camel [8c Tc]
The Camel: raises 50 to 100
Villain80: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [7s 5d Kc]
Villain80: bets 50
The Camel: raises 100 to 150
Villain80: calls 100
*** TURN *** [7s 5d Kc] [8d]
Villain80: bets 50
The Camel: raises 250 to 300
Villain80: calls 250
*** RIVER *** [7s 5d Kc 8d] [Js]
Villain80: checks
The Camel: bets 715 and is all-in
Villain80: calls 715
*** SHOW DOWN ***
The Camel: shows [8c Tc] (a pair of Eights)
Villain80: shows [8h 9s] (a pair of Eights - lower kicker)
The Camel collected 2530 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2530 | Rake 0
Board [7s 5d Kc 8d Js]
Seat 1: Villain80 (big blind) showed [8h 9s] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: The Camel (button) (small blind) showed [8c Tc] and won (2530) with a
pair of Eights


The reason I posted the hand is it includes a concept I've been thinking about recently.

When playing heads up, the weak lead bet (which Villain makes by betting 50 into a 300 pot on the flop) invariably means a drawing a hand... I raise him to make his draw expensive. But, being a bad player, he calls anyway. when he hits a pair on the turn he wasn't going anywhere. My bet on the river is terrible. He isn't going to pass a hand which beats me and I've got enough of a hand to beat a busted draw. Anyways, it turns out to be a sick value bet. I get lucky he's such a bad player.

But, the interesting thing about the hand is the weak lead on the flop. I have never seen it discussed, but I feel most players think the weak lead is a "stopping" bet and will raise when they are confronted with it. So, for the past few days, when the blinds are 50-100, I've called a raise and I flop a big hand in first position I have tried the weak lead. (Only try this against good players however). It has been very successful. I have been raised virtually every time I tried it.

Anyways, I will collate my figures and post an update later tonight or tomorrow. I'm afraid it isn't going to be very pretty reading however ;frustrated;


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on February 11, 2007, 07:34:59 PM
Day 6

$570 Hu's Played 42. Won 20   Lost 22. Vpps earned 4,200  (12,200)  profit = -$1,940 (-$240)
$1130 hu's played 10. Won 5   Lost 5     Vpps earned 1,500 (2,100)  profit = -$300 (-$2,620)

Total Profit = -$2,240 (-$3,138) Total Vpps 5,700 (14,670)

Day 7

$570 Hu's Played 42. Won 22   Lost 20. Vpps earned 4,200  (16,400)  profit = +$260 (+$20)
$1130 hu's played 5. Won 3   Lost 2     Vpps earned 750 (2,850)  profit = +$950 (-$1,670)
$230 hu's played 6. won 2 lost 4          Vpps earned 300 (600) profit = -$500 (-$560)

Total Profit = +$710 (-$2,428) Total Vpps 5,250 (19,920)

Day 8

$570 Hu's Played 10. Won 2   Lost 8. Vpps earned 1,000  (17,400)  profit = -$3,500 (-$3,480)
$1130 hu's played 1. Won 0   Lost 1     Vpps earned 150 (3,000)  profit = -$1,130 (-$2,800)
$230 hu's played 21. won 11 lost 10         Vpps earned 1050 (1650) profit = +$10 (-$550)

Total Profit = -$4,620 (-$7,048) Total Vpps 2,200 (22,120).

Day 9

$570 Hu's Played 12. Won 5   Lost 7. Vpps earned 1,200  (19,600)  profit = -$1,340 (-$4,820)
$1130 hu's played 5. Won 2   Lost 3     Vpps earned 750 (3,750)  profit = -$1,250(-$4,050)
$230 hu's played 30. won 21 lost 9       Vpps earned 1500 (3150) profit = +$2,340 (+$1,790)

Total Profit = -$250 (-$7,298) Total Vpps 3,450 (25,570).



A totally dreadful few days. I think it is important to analyse exactly what is going wrong in order to arrest a slide like this. Certainly I am playing pretty awful poker. Impatient and too eager to get games finished... And I am also running badly. I hope those are the only two reasons, but I am starting to get the feeling the games are getting harder.. I only played one "fish" (as described by Sharkscope) in $570's in this 4 day strecthc. Are the efforts of the USA governaments in stopping players fund their accounts making a difference so quickly? The doomsday scenario where only good american players are left will mean it will be very hard to win. Maybe I'm just depressed after my worst week for manymonths...




Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Royal Flush on February 11, 2007, 07:38:20 PM
Chin up Keith, playing that many HU's in a day is always going to be hard, you just need to stick a small streak of wins in there and the confidence will bolster.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: bobby1 on February 13, 2007, 11:57:25 AM
Good luck Keith, you will deffo turn it around.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: b4matt on February 14, 2007, 12:22:20 AM
Great thread m8, your honesty is ...brutal. You'll work through a couple of bad sessions though, no problem. Love the weak lead bet!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Baron on February 14, 2007, 08:12:57 PM
A nasty few days Keith.

Let's hope the donktards come out in their droves.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: ACE2M on February 15, 2007, 09:36:26 AM
Just a downswing Keith.

Have you tried a different playing time? Try logging on at 9am our time and catching all the people taking punts to claw back their money. It works for me on the omaha tables.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on February 21, 2007, 01:04:10 PM
Day 10

$570 Hu's Played 31. Won 21   Lost 10. Vpps earned 3,100  (22,700)  profit = +$5,430 (+$610)
$1130 hu's played 5. Won 3   Lost 2     Vpps earned 750 (4,500)  profit =+$950 (-$3,100)
$320 nl tournament Vpps earned 100 profit =-$320

Total Profit = +$6060 (-$1,238) Total Vpps 3,950 (29,520)


Day 11

$570 Hu's Played 27. Won 14   Lost 13. Vpps earned 2,700  (25,400)  profit = +$10 (+$620)
$1130 hu's played 4. Won 2   Lost 2     Vpps earned 600 (5,100)  profit =-$120 (-$3,220)
2 x $215 nl tournaments Vpps earned 150

Total Profit = -$540 (-$1,778) Total Vpps 3,450 (32,970)


Day 12

$570 Hu's Played 21. Won 11   Lost 10. Vpps earned 2,100  (27,500)  profit = +$130 (+$550)
$1130 hu's played 7. Won 5   Lost 2     Vpps earned 1,050 (6,150)  profit =+$3090 (-$130)


Total Profit = +$3,220 (+$1,142) Total Vpps 3,150 (36,120)



Day 12

$570 Hu's Played 31. Won 12   Lost 19. Vpps earned 3,100  (30,600)  profit = -$4,470 (-$3,920)


Total Profit = -$4,470 (-$3,328) Total Vpps 3,100 (39,220)


Far too depressing to finish this update now... Will post analysis and the up to date figures later today...


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: matt674 on February 21, 2007, 01:19:22 PM
Is day 13 (or should i call it day 12 part II if you are superstitious and don't do day 13's) actually the 13th Feb or the 13th day that you have played poker during this month.

If day 13 was yesterday how do you plan to make up the 60,000VPP required in just the last 7 days of Feb - thats going to be some cramming poker sessions and do you think this will affect your final profit figure in any way?


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on February 21, 2007, 01:54:28 PM
Is day 13 (or should i call it day 12 part II if you are superstitious and don't do day 13's) actually the 13th Feb or the 13th day that you have played poker during this month.

If day 13 was yesterday how do you plan to make up the 60,000VPP required in just the last 7 days of Feb - thats going to be some cramming poker sessions and do you think this will affect your final profit figure in any way?

Day 13 os Feb 13th. Dunno why I didn't just put the date.

Still gonna struggle to make the 100,000 however.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Graham C on February 21, 2007, 02:06:33 PM
Unlucky Keith, I expect playing at this level does take it out of you when you have a bad patch. 

Is a loss of 3k overall potentially not so bad at this level though? It's 'only' 6 or 7 games loss isn't it?  (I know the money is big, I'm talking the buy ins lost)

Good luck for the rest of the month, I hope you get it back :)


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: matt674 on February 21, 2007, 02:07:50 PM
Is day 13 (or should i call it day 12 part II if you are superstitious and don't do day 13's) actually the 13th Feb or the 13th day that you have played poker during this month.

If day 13 was yesterday how do you plan to make up the 60,000VPP required in just the last 7 days of Feb - thats going to be some cramming poker sessions and do you think this will affect your final profit figure in any way?

Day 13 os Feb 13th. Dunno why I didn't just put the date.

Still gonna struggle to make the 100,000 however.

If you need someone to volunteer poking you with a sharp stick to keep you awake then let me know!! ;)

Still 1 week left, never say never squire :)up


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: KingPoker on February 21, 2007, 06:37:14 PM
Just a quick few questions to help me catch up?

1) Have you worked out your daily average VPP?
2) On average how many hours you playing a day?
3) Is the month worked out on dates or over a 4 week period?

Good luck!

KP


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: matt674 on February 21, 2007, 07:56:40 PM
3) Is the month worked out on dates or over a 4 week period?

Its February ;)


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: KingPoker on February 21, 2007, 08:09:45 PM
3) Is the month worked out on dates or over a 4 week period?

Its February ;)

thanks


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: BigArmo on February 21, 2007, 08:56:25 PM
GL Keith tough at top and all that but if anyone can turn it around i'm sure u can   ;pokergods;


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: kpnuts on February 23, 2007, 08:47:18 PM
Hi Keith,
Hope you enjoyed the few beers with your long-lost son Mark (kinghawko) and his mates in Walsall.
Was nice to meet you, best of luck with the rest of the challenge,
KP


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Royal Flush on February 23, 2007, 09:18:04 PM
Hi Keith,
Hope you enjoyed the few beers with your long-lost son Mark (kinghawko) and his mates in Walsall.
Was nice to meet you, best of luck with the rest of the challenge,
KP

Call me with 1 pair, mug!


VOC


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: kpnuts on February 23, 2007, 10:28:57 PM
Hi Keith,
Hope you enjoyed the few beers with your long-lost son Mark (kinghawko) and his mates in Walsall.
Was nice to meet you, best of luck with the rest of the challenge,
KP

Call me with 1 pair, mug!


VOC

LOL only reason I dwelt was I was trying to figure out whether you might have had enough to call value min-raise


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Royal Flush on February 23, 2007, 10:33:15 PM
Hi Keith,
Hope you enjoyed the few beers with your long-lost son Mark (kinghawko) and his mates in Walsall.
Was nice to meet you, best of luck with the rest of the challenge,
KP

Call me with 1 pair, mug!


VOC

LOL only reason I dwelt was I was trying to figure out whether you might have had enough to call value min-raise

I had 2nd pair so probably!


VOC


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Baron on February 28, 2007, 01:39:24 AM
Just caught up on this.

Great reading Keith. I look forward to more.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Dingdell on March 06, 2007, 11:26:25 PM
Any update on this?
really enjoyed reading it.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on March 11, 2007, 07:28:38 PM
Any update on this?
really enjoyed reading it.

Many apologies... I fell pretty ill about the 23th of Feb and didn't recover for a week or so. And the figures looked so dismal I didn't feel motivated to complete the thread..

I will dig them out when I've got an hour to spare some time next week.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on March 23, 2007, 08:00:11 PM
Ok. The final score for the month was 72,000 vpps and a loss of $12,000. As I said I got really ill at the end of the month and only earned about 5,000 vpps during the last week of Feb. Even so, I would probably have finished 10-15k short of my target.

The worst month I've had since I gave up work to play full time.

Now, I have thought long and hard about the reasons for this loss and came up with the following:

1. Playing too much. Obviously when you have a target of playing soooo many games, you really need to crack on and not really have too many days off. Hence even when I felt jaded or bored I stuck in there and played on. Which resulted in 4 days of particularly heavy losses. If I had stopped2 hours earlier on each of those 4 days I would have had a small winning month. Playing when frsh and keen is imperitive.

2. The games are getting harder. Lack of easy methods for Americans to get money onto stars meant losing players couldn't fund their accounts. 6 months ago when looking on sharkcope I would guess over 75% of my oppponents were losers. In Feb, I would guess this figure was about 33%.

3. Lack of games. I would sometimes sit and wait 20 minutes for a game. This would never happen 6 months ago.

So, there you go. I failed. And I lost. A pretty terrible month all round.

March has been alot kinder. I have stepped up to bigger games and played good poker. I have earned nearly 50,000 vpps in the process. The temptation is still there to go for supernova elite and get an Aston Martin. But, the most important thing is to play winning poker. And that's what I will focus on.

I will update this thread at the end of every month, if anyone is interested, to let you know how I'm getting on in the pursuit of the twin targets,.,,


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: totalise on March 23, 2007, 08:05:07 PM
Quote
I will update this thread at the end of every month, if anyone is interested, to let you know how I'm getting on in the pursuit of the twin targets,.,,

please do


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: KingPoker on March 23, 2007, 08:12:26 PM
Quote
I will update this thread at the end of every month, if anyone is interested, to let you know how I'm getting on in the pursuit of the twin targets,.,,

please do

Seconded!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: thetank on March 23, 2007, 08:36:27 PM
Hope you're well again now mate.

Get them targets hit.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: sovietsong on March 24, 2007, 01:10:14 PM
great thread mate.  gl my friend! 


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on May 02, 2007, 03:06:54 AM
End of April Update...

I'm on 284k VPP's. I really have gone off the pace.

I've heard rumour there will be a double VPP week as there was last year.. and this is really my only chance of making Supernova Elite... So I'm going to keep playing fairly solidly until Stars reaches 100million hands just in case this double week occurs.



Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: I, Zimbra on May 02, 2007, 03:10:58 AM
;goodluck; !!!!



Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: thetank on May 02, 2007, 01:54:14 PM
Give Dale your login when you go on holiday. :)

Good luck Camel


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on May 11, 2007, 08:03:44 PM
End of April Update...

I'm on 284k VPP's. I really have gone off the pace.

I've heard rumour there will be a double VPP week as there was last year.. and this is really my only chance of making Supernova Elite... So I'm going to keep playing fairly solidly until Stars reaches 100million hands just in case this double week occurs.



Well, the rumour was right... and it's 10 days of double VPP's and FPP's.

I'm, at 299,699 VPP's and 1.8million FPP's..basically I'mm gonna be chained to the computer for the next week and a bit!!!

gogogogogogogogo


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: KingPoker on May 12, 2007, 01:47:56 AM
End of April Update...

I'm on 284k VPP's. I really have gone off the pace.

I've heard rumour there will be a double VPP week as there was last year.. and this is really my only chance of making Supernova Elite... So I'm going to keep playing fairly solidly until Stars reaches 100million hands just in case this double week occurs.



Well, the rumour was right... and it's 10 days of double VPP's and FPP's.

I'm, at 299,699 VPP's and 1.8million FPP's..basically I'mm gonna be chained to the computer for the next week and a bit!!!

gogogogogogogogo

Good luck keith, keep us updated mate.

 ;goodluck; ;slavedriver;


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: thetank on May 12, 2007, 06:11:45 AM
Games should be softer across the board coz of deposit bonus on at the moment, don't know if that's any more than neglibly applicable at your end of the pyramid though.

Good Luck, godspeed.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: thetank on May 12, 2007, 06:12:33 AM
If all else fails, give Dale your login


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on May 12, 2007, 09:47:15 AM
Games should be softer across the board coz of deposit bonus on at the moment, don't know if that's any more than neglibly applicable at your end of the pyramid though.

Good Luck, godspeed.

Very early days... so I might be bokking myself but the games seem ALOT softer already.

Played 39 $550 heads up since the bonus started.. won 25, lost 14.

Could be like the old days :)


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Jim-D on May 12, 2007, 12:14:40 PM
Games should be softer across the board coz of deposit bonus on at the moment, don't know if that's any more than neglibly applicable at your end of the pyramid though.

Good Luck, godspeed.

Very early days... so I might be bokking myself but the games seem ALOT softer already.

Played 39 $550 heads up since the bonus started.. won 25, lost 14.

Could be like the old days :)

Thats more like it sir,  Keep it up


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on May 23, 2007, 05:51:17 PM
Despite having to miss one day of the promotion.. (I had a kind of job interview which doubtless you will hear more about the outcome in future months  ;scarymoment;) I played almost every hour God sent for 11 days..

I managed to earn 100,950 Vpps. So now I'm standing at 400,649. Tantalising. I'm going to step up in stakes a bit from now until the WSOP. The games were truely excellent duringthe promotion... the best they've been for at lkeast a year. So, I'm hoping this continues..

Will update again in a few weeks when I will make a definite decision whether I'm going for elite or not.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: AlrightJack on May 23, 2007, 06:11:04 PM
Are you still gonna play the $550s? I would miss having the occasional 'outside my bankroll' crack at you in them.

;)


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on May 23, 2007, 06:22:12 PM
Are you still gonna play the $550s? I would miss having the occasional 'outside my bankroll' crack at you in them.

;)

If there are fish swimming around at 550 it would be rude not to accomodate them ;)


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Graham C on May 24, 2007, 06:57:39 PM
End of April Update...

I'm on 284k VPP's. I really have gone off the pace.

I've heard rumour there will be a double VPP week as there was last year.. and this is really my only chance of making Supernova Elite... So I'm going to keep playing fairly solidly until Stars reaches 100million hands just in case this double week occurs.



Well, the rumour was right... and it's 10 days of double VPP's and FPP's.

I'm, at 299,699 VPP's and 1.8million FPP's..basically I'mm gonna be chained to the computer for the next week and a bit!!!

gogogogogogogogo

That's over half a Porsche!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Serenity on May 24, 2007, 07:09:22 PM
what is VPP ? FPP = frequent player point but VPP ??


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Graham C on May 24, 2007, 10:21:53 PM
VPP = VIP Player Points.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: KingPoker on May 25, 2007, 10:51:03 AM
Despite having to miss one day of the promotion.. (I had a kind of job interview which doubtless you will hear more about the outcome in future months  ;scarymoment;) I played almost every hour God sent for 11 days..

I managed to earn 100,950 Vpps. So now I'm standing at 400,649. Tantalising. I'm going to step up in stakes a bit from now until the WSOP. The games were truely excellent duringthe promotion... the best they've been for at lkeast a year. So, I'm hoping this continues..

Will update again in a few weeks when I will make a definite decision whether I'm going for elite or not.

Excellent stuff keith, surely ur have to go for elite now!
Get to work!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Baron on May 31, 2007, 02:00:38 PM
Great thread. Looking forward to May's update.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on July 23, 2007, 01:33:23 AM
Much delayed update...

Today I finally hit the half way mark in the Supernova Elite chase..

As I type I'm on 501,149 vpp's.

I have moved up to play almost exclusively 1k and 2k heads up matches and it has concentrated my mind well and meant I have to play far less games to reach Nova elite.

I would say all things being equal I'm gonna do it!

And anyways, now I'm past halfway it's all downhill from here!!!!  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: ACE2M on July 23, 2007, 09:47:49 AM
nice work.

I hit platinum last month and thought that was something....


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: KingPoker on July 23, 2007, 06:03:33 PM
Much delayed update...

Today I finally hit the half way mark in the Supernova Elite chase..

As I type I'm on 501,149 vpp's.

I have moved up to play almost exclusively 1k and 2k heads up matches and it has concentrated my mind well and meant I have to play far less games to reach Nova elite.

I would say all things being equal I'm gonna do it!

And anyways, now I'm past halfway it's all downhill from here!!!!  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

 ;applause; ;applause; ;applause; ;applause;

Excellent stuff keith, thx for the update.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: tikay on June 01, 2013, 06:36:23 AM

BUMPED FOR LORD CAMEL


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: sovietsong on June 01, 2013, 08:51:55 AM
did you make it?


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: wazz on June 01, 2013, 09:03:20 AM
Wow just read through the whole thread before I saw the date on it!

What do you play nowadays Keith?

Still got half a porsche in fpps?


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: tikay on June 01, 2013, 09:05:50 AM
Wow just read through the whole thread before I saw the date on it!

What do you play nowadays Keith?

Still got half a porsche in fpps?

I believe he cashed in for a mini-Porsche instead.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: jgcblack on June 01, 2013, 11:16:20 AM
Wow just read through the whole thread before I saw the date on it!

What do you play nowadays Keith?

Still got half a porsche in fpps?

this...

and I was going to comment about the 'weak lead' being raised too often but 5yrs later... hardly seems worth it.

:)


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: redarmi on June 01, 2013, 11:44:13 AM
This is fascinating to read because it just shows how much poker has changed in only a six years.  When I first met you Keith you were still playing SNG HU for a living.  When did you stop and why?


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: wazz on June 01, 2013, 11:50:32 AM
Sorta scary that 6 years ago he was talking about the games getting so tough!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on June 01, 2013, 12:30:45 PM
did you make it?

Yes, I got to Supernpova Elite on December 31 at about noon by playing through the night on the 30th, needing about 7,000 vpps.

I was flying to Australia at 7 pm on NY Eve, so if the internet had gone down in the hotel I was staying in I would been fcked!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on June 01, 2013, 12:32:44 PM
Wow just read through the whole thread before I saw the date on it!

What do you play nowadays Keith?

Still got half a porsche in fpps?

Don't play much at all at the moment.

Reached 2.5 million fpps before spending them.

Bought Monte Carlo, Deauville and London EPT packages.

Was so burnt out, I never got to use the 5x fpp multiplier that SE earns :(


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: The Camel on June 01, 2013, 12:35:56 PM
This is fascinating to read because it just shows how much poker has changed in only a six years.  When I first met you Keith you were still playing SNG HU for a living.  When did you stop and why?

Games got unbeatable, stopped around a year after this thread.

When they lowered the rake better players moved into the games :(

My strength as a poker player has always been adapting to new games/conditions quickly.

I had great runs when Stars first introduced hu sngs, then when they first introduced turbo hus and finally when hyper turbo hu came in.

Unfortunately better players than me soon catch up and overtake me!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: wazz on June 02, 2013, 05:22:30 AM
So what's your main game/stakes now?


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: dreenie on June 02, 2013, 12:50:41 PM
Wow just read through the whole thread before I saw the date on it!

What do you play nowadays Keith?

Still got half a porsche in fpps?

I believe he cashed in for a mini-Porsche instead.

loooool Tikay, that's hilarious :)


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: dreenie on June 02, 2013, 12:51:26 PM
Wow just read through the whole thread before I saw the date on it!

What do you play nowadays Keith?

Still got half a porsche in fpps?

I believe he cashed in for a mini-Porsche instead.

loooool Tikay, that's hilarious :)

The picture I meant, don't know how to quote it lol


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: dreenie on June 02, 2013, 12:55:02 PM
I have been a sucker for the h/u hyper's. I actually think there is some strategy to them, and if you are really disciplined (not my forte), then you can make money. I see a lot of players at the 100/200 level really aggro/spewey, that will call off ultra wide, and in general make some truly awful. If you can keep your temperament throughout the high variance (again, not my forte), then I think u can make money at these games.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: dreenie on June 02, 2013, 12:56:54 PM
Do you remember the guy who won the Sunday million ? He wilted off his entire bankroll playing 500-5000 h/u sngs.

A few days later he was playing fpp sat for the following Sunday million.

Could so easily be me that!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 02, 2013, 01:08:19 PM
toode ?


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: dreenie on June 02, 2013, 01:50:09 PM
toode ?

Not sure on the name, there was a thread about it on 2+2, but I can't find it now.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 02, 2013, 02:29:53 PM
Nice sharkscope graph


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: theprawnidentity on June 03, 2013, 12:27:54 AM
toode ?

Wasn't toode.  But this idiot does own me money!!!!!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: theprawnidentity on June 03, 2013, 12:28:16 AM
toode ?

Wasn't toode.  But this idiot does owe me money!!!!!


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: maldini32 on June 03, 2013, 01:16:30 AM
This is fascinating to read because it just shows how much poker has changed in only a six years.  When I first met you Keith you were still playing SNG HU for a living.  When did you stop and why?

Games got unbeatable, stopped around a year after this thread.

When they lowered the rake better players moved into the games :(

My strength as a poker player has always been adapting to new games/conditions quickly.

I had great runs when Stars first introduced hu sngs, then when they first introduced turbo hus and finally when hyper turbo hu came in.

Unfortunately better players than me soon catch up and overtake me!

Surprised at that mate, thought you were still playing.



Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: MC on June 03, 2013, 07:52:49 PM
I actually think there is some strategy to them

lol, orly.

Basically half of the sharkscope leaderboard is HU hyper regs making $200k+ a year


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: Skippy on June 03, 2013, 08:30:31 PM
I actually think there is some strategy to them

lol, orly.

Basically half of the sharkscope leaderboard is HU hyper regs making $200k+ a year

I'm confused, you are saying there is no strategy to them, but people are making $200k a year out of them? I think I've misunderstood your post somewhere :-(


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: AndrewT on June 03, 2013, 08:33:33 PM
I actually think there is some strategy to them

lol, orly.

Basically half of the sharkscope leaderboard is HU hyper regs making $200k+ a year

I'm confused, you are saying there is no strategy to them, but people are making $200k a year out of them? I think I've misunderstood your post somewhere :-(

Think he's implying that saying there might be some strategy to them is akin to saying that the Atlantic Ocean may be a bit damp.


Title: Re: 100,000vpps in February
Post by: dreenie on June 03, 2013, 08:36:12 PM
I actually think there is some strategy to them

lol, orly.

Basically half of the sharkscope leaderboard is HU hyper regs making $200k+ a year

I'm confused, you are saying there is no strategy to them, but people are making $200k a year out of them? I think I've misunderstood your post somewhere :-(

Think he's implying that saying there might be some strategy to them is akin to saying that the Atlantic Ocean may be a bit damp.

lol Andrew, that made me laugh.