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Title: His line suggests? Post by: TightEnd on February 01, 2007, 01:42:50 PM Game #4365458504: Hold'em NL ($1/$2) - 2007/02/01 - 13:34:11 (UK)
Table "Brazilianborn" Seat 5 is the button. Seat 1: Castaway ($189.32 in chips) Seat 2: hero ($338.50 in chips) Seat 3: Yamoto ($282.99 in chips) Seat 4: Treeny sits out Seat 5: Salmi ($170.37 in chips) Seat 6: Evinrude ($393.35 in chips) Evinrude: posts small blind $1 Castaway: posts big blind $2 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to hero [As Qc] hero: raises to $7 Yamoto: folds Salmi: folds Evinrude: folds Castaway: calls $5 ----- FLOP ----- [2c 7h 9s] Castaway: checks hero: bets $14 c-betting Castaway: calls $14 ----- TURN ----- [2c 7h 9s][Qs] Castaway: checks hero: bets $25 i hit Castaway: calls $25 now I am wary of a two pair/set type hand ----- RIVER ----- [2c 7h 9s Qs][4d] Castaway: bets $143.32 and is all-in..he has to beat one pair or an overpair so hero: folds Returned uncalled bets $143.32 to Castaway ----- SHOW DOWN ----- Castaway: shows ?? Castaway collected $90 from Main pot what do you think? Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: boldie on February 01, 2007, 01:45:49 PM I'm assuming he knows you...8 T for the missed open ender?
Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: TightEnd on February 01, 2007, 01:50:24 PM I'm assuming he knows you...8 T for the missed open ender? !! we have never played before solid ABC so far in session Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: bobby1 on February 01, 2007, 01:51:21 PM 8 10 or maybe 10 jack
Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: TightEnd on February 01, 2007, 01:54:22 PM its never a made hand (set? two pair?) here...?
Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: kinboshi on February 01, 2007, 01:56:28 PM its never a made hand (set? two pair?) here...? It could be. But I bet it wasn't this time was it...? ;D Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: bobby1 on February 01, 2007, 01:59:15 PM It is more likely to be a made hand but the problem with hand histories and hand analysis is that everyone looks for the trick or beat as in most cases hand analysis threads tend to be hands that end in being outdrawn or unlucky.
I would fancy him to raise on the turn with a set/two pair but as you have no info on him that is just a guess. Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: TightEnd on February 01, 2007, 02:00:36 PM not necessarily
I only ask, inviting ridicule as usual from the normal suspects ;D, because at 1-2,2-4 check call twice and then push is in my experience usually indicative of a hand that beats TPTK here, I see it more so than people pushing with missed draws. Different to higher levels perhaps, dunno Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: boldie on February 01, 2007, 02:02:57 PM I still like the open ender here
Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: bobby1 on February 01, 2007, 02:11:13 PM ridicule, not me sir.
Its would seem a strange way to play a strong hand here but as you say it could well be a strong hand. As for hand analysis threads/conversations in general I have started reciting hands to my poker buddies from both hands point of view and almost without exception they play the hand looking for how the hand gets beaten and not how they would play it. It seems to be that the mentality is if the the hand is worth discussing then there must be something interesting happen at the end.( This is from the readers view not necessarily the posters view tho) Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: boldie on February 01, 2007, 02:18:55 PM ridicule, not me sir. Its would seem a strange way to play a strong hand here but as you say it could well be a strong hand. As for hand analysis threads/conversations in general I have started reciting hands to my poker buddies from both hands point of view and almost without exception they play the hand looking for how the hand gets beaten and not how they would play it. It seems to be that the mentality is if the the hand is worth discussing then there must be something interesting happen at the end.( This is from the readers view not necessarily the posters view tho) Yeah it is ussually the case that a hand posted on here gets beaten but that's why people wonder if they made a mistake. I think here the laydown is a good one unless you have the oppo sussed. I still think a good player could make the push with 8-10 if he has tighty down as a player who can lay down a hand (IOW not a fish) and I reckon the 8-10 could therefore be a fairly likely holding. Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: bobby1 on February 01, 2007, 02:22:04 PM ridicule, not me sir. Its would seem a strange way to play a strong hand here but as you say it could well be a strong hand. As for hand analysis threads/conversations in general I have started reciting hands to my poker buddies from both hands point of view and almost without exception they play the hand looking for how the hand gets beaten and not how they would play it. It seems to be that the mentality is if the the hand is worth discussing then there must be something interesting happen at the end.( This is from the readers view not necessarily the posters view tho) Yeah it is ussually the case that a hand posted on here gets beaten but that's why people wonder if they made a mistake. I think here the laydown is a good one unless you have the oppo sussed. I still think a good player could make the push with 8-10 if he has tighty down as a player who can lay down a hand (IOW not a fish) and I reckon the 8-10 could therefore be a fairly likely holding. Hi Boldie, I am not just talking about hands on this board I am being general about hand stories be they face to face or online. Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: TightEnd on February 01, 2007, 02:24:22 PM Thanks Phil
I find a slight problem with my HA posts in that they get too results orientated...i.e its difficult to post what you were thinking without being aware that knowledge that you have of the outcome influences your thoughts In this case, It was an interesting conclusion. He showed 2s 5s. Talk about being bitch slapped. Great bet sir. Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: bobby1 on February 01, 2007, 02:38:34 PM Thanks Phil I find a slight problem with my HA posts in that they get too results orientated...i.e its difficult to post what you were thinking without being aware that knowledge that you have of the outcome influences your thoughts In this case, It was an interesting conclusion. He showed 2s 5s. Talk about being bitch slapped. Great bet sir. The thing is it is sometimes tough to call in that spot even tho it does look like a 'frightener' push, he is lucky you are good enough to lay down a hand and good enough to know the value of picking your spots. Can I ask one question, before you checked to him on the river did you have a plan in mind if he did make a bet of xx amount or all in. I find if my read is he has missed a draw and I am checking so he will bet(or check down) I am less scared by that kind of push as It can then convince me that my read could be right coz that is *one* of the things I expect him to do if he has missed. If he makes a milking type bet here then I might be more afraid and pass if my read when I check is that he is slow playing a biggy. I think this helps me to be clear in my mind when the oppo makes a bet in that spot. Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: TightEnd on February 01, 2007, 02:46:47 PM He is first to act on the river, I have position (not that I use it on the end!)
He is lucky in a sense, a couple of months ago I was having problems paying off over-bets on the river (usually thinking they were busted draws, much like a tournament play would be I suppose)...people were pushing into me with "nut" type hands and with help from conversations with totalise and a couple of others I tried to rationalise what the various overbets might mean on different types of boards and the premise behind which players would overbet rather than value bet. I still maintain I see "strong" overbets on the end far more than "miss/weak" overbets However this fella turned it upside down with his nice move on this hand Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: bobby1 on February 01, 2007, 02:49:36 PM He is first to act on the river, I have position (not that I use it on the end!) He is lucky in a sense, a couple of months ago I was having problems paying off over-bets on the river (usually thinking they were busted draws, much like a tournament play would be I suppose)...people were pushing into me with "nut" type hands and with help from conversations with totalise and a couple of others I tried to rationalise what the various overbets might mean on different types of boards and the premise behind which players would overbet rather than value bet. I still maintain I see "strong" overbets on the end far more than "miss/weak" overbets However this fella turned it upside down with his nice move on this hand sorry, my bad question re this hand. I would love to hear what the advice was re over bets on the river on various boards as I think these type of hands can make of break a session. Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: Highstack on February 01, 2007, 04:36:29 PM I have only just read this and I am glad you had posted the result before I responded! I was way off the mark! :)
My mindset was that I think a set raises on the turn and I couldn't give him 2 pair there calling pre oop. That said, I just failed to see how TpTk was in front and had believed you right to pass. I can only imagine that if you didn't get him soon after, that he either hit and run or stacked off against someone else. Bad enough playing it, but to bluff all in and then show the hand says a lot more about the player than the hand itself. I am positive this can not be a winning player. Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: doubleup on February 01, 2007, 04:41:07 PM I hope you thanked him for showing as he gave away the type of player he is. I type "caller" in the notes for these players. They call raises a lot in position. Anyone got any thoughts on how to cope with them? The note I make is just to remind me not to raise too much preflop if they are one or two seats to my left.
Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: Highstack on February 01, 2007, 04:43:56 PM I hate slow playing and trapping, I always seem to get into trouble with it these days, but it is exactly the kind of move to save for those donks simply because you know when you are strong that you will get their entire stack.
Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: snoopy1239 on February 01, 2007, 05:32:26 PM Smells like a set, but I guess you wouldn't bother posting a hand like that.
Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: stewart on February 07, 2007, 02:09:16 PM just take ur hat off and say well played, nout much else u can do
Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: AlexMartin on February 08, 2007, 05:11:55 PM Its a great bet but you made a winning long term lay-down.
Title: Re: His line suggests? Post by: Div on February 08, 2007, 08:57:58 PM Its a great bet but you made a winning long term lay-down. I think that's the main point. Along with the notes to take from the info the guy volunteered. |