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Why do people have to be so crass and rude in online poker.

Playing in the APAT online event tonight someone went about insulting  my sister in the chat box. I don't think that he thought it through, becasue I would love to bump into him at one of the live events to se if his manners would improve, which I guess they would. The point being; why do people think they can say things that are totally inapropriate.

He really annoyed me, and when I pointed out to him that I could not wait to meet him at the Welsh event, there was no more chat from him. Great behind his PC...


 ;grr;

Because they would never ever get to say these things in real life!!! They are cowards and cannot back up anything.
No Cahoonas!!!

Sorry about that

This is simply not acceptable in APAT. PM me the offenders name please & we'll check it out & take the appropriate action.

Amateurs ::)

Us amateurs are not all bad!

I assume the stuff about your sister was untrue.

If not, can you PM me her phone number :)

The term Keyboard warrior applies.

I don't condone rudness but why on earth to get so wind up? 

He talks to you crap and you are threatening him to beat crap out of him?

Seriously ....

It's what the net is like, just get over it.

He is out of order...but you are more so.
Or is physical intimidation more acceptable than table trash talking?

It seems like the other guy picked his target well.

Theres a lot of A$$holes online, easy solution is to turn off chatbox

Hmmmm.... I certainly never threatened to beat the crap out of him, and I don't know where you got that information from, but I can assure you I never said any such things. I said I would like to see him in Cardiff. An apology or to see if he is not two faced, and would say these things to my face. Which I dont think he would.

People seem to think that they have no responsibility for the things they say. Especially when behind a PC. He woulld not say these things to me over a table, so why should he get away with it form behind a PC. Does that condone that sort of behaviour?

Comments like "I hope your mother dies of cancer" (which I have seen) deserve a smack in the mouth imho.

It probably is , but only the punch is prosecutable by law.

apologies for mis-understanding

out of curiosity  if he would say those things what would you do?

Why getting so winded up by someone you don't know and don't want to know? I seriously don't give a dam what others who don't know me think of me.  At the tbles I am rarerly called names but if there is someone who happens to talk trash I don't even bother to reply.  Too old for  name calling games.



They are childish and pathetic so why paying attention to them?
Once someone said to me sth liek that and my reply was thanks, she has in fact cancer .... this shut the moron up for the whole evening.

If he was to say those things to me over a table, BTW I don't think he would, but I would deal with it in another manner. I am not a violent person.

I dont let it bother me, but when something can be done about it, i.e. asking him to explain his behavoiur and comments to my face, and when any chance arises, people like this should be challenged to make them think of the consequences of the actions.

Or should we just remain ignorant and let people carry on using unacceptable behaviour when they can be brought to account for their actions?

BTW If you knew me, I am 13 stones of love....

On the 'cancer' topic, i was once sat in a O/8 game on party when a regular abusive player was playing, they came out with "I hope you get cancer" to 1 player after a bad beat, the players replied "I already bad beat cancer just like i bad beat your ass" classic!

It depends when this will lead you...



I personally found ignoring those people on the net is the best, as very quickly they will get bored with their vulgar banter.


13 stones of love?  hmmmm:)

standard

Verbal bullying in any form should be taken seriously.
People have been known to take their own lives because of it.
Just because some of us can rise above it doesn't mean everyone is capable of doing so.

 :goodpost:

It is being dealt with.

you are a magician,,,i hope to see you in cardiff later and i am going to make you disapear lol.,.,.,(i deleted it then)

Ok...../////Ja6es,,,,,,,,

you got no style son it should.,.,,look like.,./.,


ok .,,., j4m3s.,/,.

True - you win.

Verbal bullying, as you name it, is going to happen anywhere uncouth people lose money to one another.  For every muppet who's chat banned, another five spring up. Turn off chat, or individuals' chat (as you can do on some sites, which is great).

I keep it on just so I can tell just how tilty my foul-mouthed tablemates are getting.  By the time I was told once in a cash game, "I hope you get hit by a car," I had my fingers firmly crossed the guy would stick around and do the rest of his money.  Which he did.  If I want a nice chat I'll call a friend.

Stars make it real easy to ignore chat as well, just flip to the stats box.

Much more interesting, anyway. ::)

Don't get tilted by what people say in the chat box.

Big deal if some anonymous muppet wants to bad mouth and swear at you - why should his opinions matter to you? If you can keep emotional control whilst getting told to go **** your mother, you'll more than likely have a big edge on this guy in the poker.

Remember whilst many people who do this are just plain rude, some intentionally use verbal abuse as a weapon to get an edge.

My mum's got cancer and I've been given various cancer related insults(mainly  on party poker) before.  I can still laugh at the people throwing these insults around though. They can't touch me emotionally and I feel I'm usually a better player than them. Let them keep their hate and I'll get on with whupping them on the tables.

So am I right in thinkin that if we go to cardiff there's going to be a fight??  haven't seen a good bundle in ages  ;popcorn;

Mick McCool is too scared.

I was believe it or not in a bit of a scuffle yesterday with a coward of sorts. I went into Melton Mowbray with the dear old lady (85) who lives at the back of our kennels. She was on her way to collect a bag of bones and some hearts and livers for her Bull Terriers. She pulled up beside the LloydsTSB which has a taxi rank beside it. She pulled on to the back end of it as she has a disabled badge and to allow me to go to the Halifax. As l'm coming back down the street to the taxi rank, some big fat twat of a passenger and his wife are getting into a taxi behind Maureens car and he is calling her a stupid old deaf bast*** as he has had to walk a few extra yards. Not being a handbags at dawn sort of bloke l go straight at him and catch him by his jacket and hair and put him on the ground with my knee on the back of the neck. His missus had been laughing while he was launching the verbal abuse at Maureen, now she was screaming. After a little bit of encouragement he apologises to Maureen and l continue with the collection of Maureens stuff.

I had a little visit from Meltons finest last night but luckily it was a small warning and no charges where been pressed.

As for Flushy, he terrifies me. ;hide;

Mick, I'll never understand how you didn't get that job at the United Nations.

lol ;angel;

agreed

is it not just an added weapon to ur arsenel??

no physical tells

so u gotta do wot u gotta do



i was on a FT last nite and i could not believe my eyes when these 2 punters giving each other the needle were seriously going for each other,so i sat back...

resuly one bad beat later and the offendee was felted....


switch the chat off


and no you cant do this live,black eyes would be the result...no problem with it online

reminds me of being in france last year on holiday , we were in Versailles, and my missus wanted to go into a shop, but we couldnt get parked. so I just sat in the car (blocking the right turn lane about 50 yards from the traffic lights. I was pretending to read a map, and people were just going round me, no big deal. Except one brave guy who sat behind me beeping his horn. I ignored him, and eventually he pulled alongside, put the window down, and started shouting french obscenties at me. I gave him a hand signal, like basically, "go f..k yourself, and calm down". he then opened the car door, so I thought, bollox to this, and I got out too, and loomed towards him , at which point realising he was fighting at a weight and height way out of his division, ran back to his car, and bolted thru a red light, narrowly missing about 4 cars...

i went back to reading my map....

lol

Always the case mate.

i would of reported you both to the wardens where you would of gotten a fine and the young lady would oflost her badge for MISSUSE

We are still dealing with this matter, & are currently awaiting the Chat Log from PokerStars. We cannot pre-judge the matter.

at this point i assume Mr Frenchman soiled his trousers.


were you in Versailles on a Celtic trip Laz ?

Both 'Stars and APAT have now reviewed the chat log from the Online series torunament on Saturday night on Flying Pig's table

For their part, 'Stars have revoked the player's chat privileges for one month. Obviously this is a matter outwith APAT's control.

APAT is banning the offending player from membership for life and refunding the membership fee to her.

 

Women huh!

Can't live with them can't shoot them  :dontask:

I cannot remember the exact details, but a couple of months ago, the UK had it's first official case of INTERNET RAGE!  Apparently, after an on-line argument between two ppl, one traced the other through the info he had used to join the chat forum and went to his house and beat the crap out of him.  Maybe if this becomes a more common occurrence, ppl will think twice before picking fights on-line.

Is this is something to be proud of?

be like kev ,get in first ABBUSE THEM lol

 
He does not abuse them, he drop names on them....

They shoud think themselves lucky he doesn't drop his lunch on them!!

That'd never happen - not going to waste food like that.

I haven't seen whatever chat was chatted, but, am I alone in thinking this is a tad severe?



PS If you ask me nicely, I throw in a funky physical confrontation story as well.

Smply mad, NO, its not too severe. This would not be acceptable in a live event so why should it be acceptable for some person to hide behind their computer and do it!?

Tower of Power funky?

If someone was to come onto any web forum and hurl abuse at someone, they can forfeit their right to be members of that forum.  It wouldn't be tolerated on here, and many other forums are even more strict in terms of what members can say or do.  Why shouldn't this be the same in an online poker room?

I expect that whatever was said has gone against PokerStars terms of use (hence the 1 month ban), and also infringes on the APAT T&Cs:


I don't know what was said, but it must have been pretty bad.  Maybe if the offender is contrite and apologies profusely sometime down the line, they might be allowed back in to the APAT.  But then again, maybe they won't.  If someone abused someone in a casino in the same manner, it wouldn't be deemed too excessive for the casino to ban that person from ever entering that casino again.  This is simply an extension of that, isn't it?

As for some people saying that you can switch the chat off if someone is being abusive - well that's a solution.  But it's not the right one.  I for one like to chat to others when I'm playing - it seems to help my game for one, and I like to chat in a live game as well - so why not online?  One abusive player shouldn't force the rest of the table to avoid the chat box, it's them that should be gagged and penalised, not everyone else.

You may choose from the following
A: Attempted muggin by junkie half my size round King's Cross
B: Challenge to a Money fight from Drunk Yank Kid at The Wynn Poker Tables
C: Big tough Ex-Con New Yorker intimidatin smaller guys in Atlantic  City Poker Room
D: Bizarro gravedigger foulup at my Grandfather's Funeral

Um. OK. Fair enough for APAT, specifically, though I might tend to think in different terms for both online and live poker, in general.

no.

Was it Option C?  Tell me it was, go on!!

LOL. They are all actual stories But I'll only tell one. Cept, twill 'ave to be laterz as I iz oing to sleep now.

Seems OTT to me!

But unless we get to see the chat transcript which im sure we wont then we cant be sure how bad it was. But it surprised me the abuser was a female!!!! Wow!

Does it matter how bad it was? It's an online chat box......

im pretty sure abuse isnt classed as chat. Its never acceptable!! I'd rather someone does it in person than in online coz at least i could do summat about it. But if it hapens online, you have to have trust in the site or/and in this case the tourney organiser (apat) to step in and deal with it. In my opinion, dealt with perfectly!

I hate to say it, but I have heard pretty foul/aggressive language at live events and the staff rarely if ever even get to the 'verbal warning' point, let alone get them chucked out of the tournament.  This is a doubly unfair analogy, as there is no 'turning off the box' when a live event player calls someone a "c***" (which I have seen, and, as a dealer, been called).

It would be great if in all aspects, all players kept civil tongues and never raged at one another.  However, this is unrealistic, always will be, and a chat-ban is a more sensible option than a wholesale out-the-door ban.   You are, however, sending a very clear message with this punishment, and if the point was to instil the fear of elimination in potential troublemakers you've probably managed it.

This doesn't solve the wider issues of 'chat-box abuse' however, just the smaller arena of the APAT.  Turn it off or ignore the offender, I still say.

I have to disagree slightly as what you suggest is basically to keep your head down. Its not up to you and the rest of the table to ignore the abusive ****! It normally only takes a warning in the live game for the player to shut his mouth. And a email to support online to get his chat banned! You have to stand up for yourself. I still like to think though that you get support be it live or online from other players and it is as much their responsibility as it is yours to cut this out. But one thing is for sure. I will not stand back and let this happen in my games to me or other players. No way.

Being able to avoid a fight just by getting out of your car....yes I think it probably is.

Nor does it solve world hunger or my the tracking on my VHS player, but despite this, it's no a bad thing still.

The seemingly out of proportion punishment here and there will deter folk.
Maybe the next guy/gal will think twice about crossing the line in the chat box.

 ;iagree;

Its a bit like the issue in lethal weapon 4. They shoot one chinese immigrant on the slave ship to keep the other in line. Its exactly the same  ;whistle; ;whistle; ;whistle;

i have to say that this is a side of internet poker. If you don't like it you always have the option of not playing on the internet ir turning the chat box off. I hope all d1cks like this guy get there chat taken away but there will be up and coming keyboard warriors on every site.  My advice is try not to be too sensitive and feel sorry for the players who post this as they obviously haven't had the upbringing we have and feel that their actions are acceptable

What about racist abuse?  You turn a blind eye to that too?

it doesn't bother me what some idiot i don't know calls me in a chat-box, they don't know me so why would i listen to their comments. I have no problem in people getting these idiots banned. Im just saying that there are alternatives to getting really upset by this

How will this be a deterrent? Are APAT going to announce it in a newsletter?

Jen says......

I hate to say it, but I have heard pretty foul/aggressive language at live events and the staff rarely if ever even get to the 'verbal warning' point, let alone get them chucked out of the tournament.

If the foul & aggressive behaviour you refer to at Live Tourneys occurred in an APAT Live Tourney, we would penalise the Member immediately. You are correct to say that others don't do it, but APAT most certainly would.

Someone else said "too severe". That's subjective, but we think it's right. We did refund her Membership Fee in full, so she is no worse off, she just can't do APAT Events any more. We can manage OK without each other.

APAT, with the help of our sponsors, are adding a whole load of money - almost $100,000 in Season One I believe, no Reg Fees so far, players are treated by us with respect, the Tourneys run exactly to advertised times, there are free buffets at every Event, and generally, the players create a terrific atmo. That's the idea, & we will do whatever it takes to ensure our Members have a good time. Which does not include, no matter how many times someone says "just ignore it", being verbally abused.

Yes.

Yes, this IS Internet Poiker, & yes, some of us are used to it, & can handle it.

That does not make it correct.

It was a Female, not a "guy", by the way.

An announcement will be made on www.apat.com tonight telling members what has happened and emphasising the standards we expect at both our live tournaments and in Online series games.

You don't have the physical record of what has been said in live poker.

If you have the tools, why not use them. Your lawnmower won't help on the living room carpet, but this shouldn't stop you mowing the lawn if you want to.

Firstly I posted my comments on here merely as a little bit of a rant because I got annoyed at what someone had said to me. I was not 'really upset' as was said in a previous post, just annoyed and aggrieved that someone would say these things, especially when there is a good chance of us sitting on the same table in an APAT event. They said some innapropriate comments, but in the grand scheme of things, maybe they weren't the worst insults. There have been many things said that are worse; this I agree. All that being said, I was not happy with the comments, and I think the APAT have taken action for the better, and for this I thank them.

This has avoided a possible awkward situation, where by I am sitting at a table in a live APAT event with the person who made the insults against members of my family.

I don't think the person who said the things would of said them to me over a table, and if indeed they did, there would be action taken. So why shouldn't action be taken when it is from behind a computer screen. If I turn my chat off, this doesn't stop the insults, it merely stops me from seeing them.

People should not put up with any insults, why can't we win/lose or just participate in a graceful manner, and respect all the other competitors. I know not everyone is like this and do dish out insults, but it should be reported and action taken, then hopefully people will stop hurling abuse and insults.

It's very difficult to eradicate this sort of bahaviour, but that's no reason not to try! And in APAT events, we certainly will.

 :redcard: ;spam; ;ifm;

Fair play on the stance taken. There is winding a player up eg calling a player a fish and there is crossing the line with unacceptable chat. Looks like this one has crossed the line and will pay the price.
 ;applause;

Ok, though you are setting yourself a tough standard to live by.
I do commend it, though I personally have considered the chat box to be "make believe".
perhaps being used to something does not make it okay.
I certainly have been guilty of whinging...though nothing more offensive than "you lucky fish".

Curious though when in the APAT online tourney a few weeks back with 10 players left (points bubble).
A guy lost his internet connection and was fairly low stacked too.
JD Force announced in both tables chat windows that everyone should fold to blinds till he blinded out.

Collusion allowed but not bad beat chat box rage?

nothing wrong with tough standards, as we are we hope a force for change if needed.

Of course collusion is not allowed in any APAT online or live event, but if it is not reported to us and/or the online room at the time with specific information then we are going to struggle to do much. 

At the moment I play only playmoney LOL!!
but I get insulted sometimes. Poeple call me a fish if i win or cuss members of my family!! maybe there all teenagers

I know ishould play for real money but its one of the things that puts me off
Its not very nice really, imagine if poeple swore at stranger's in day to day life, i don't think it would be a very nice place!!! ;tracet;

 ;nana;
Hannahxxx

You're right, Paisley is not a very nice place.

Ok, though you are setting yourself a tough standard to live by.

Yes, but we get no points for ducking the issue, so we'll have a go.

I reported it to Stars, they say they warned him.
Funnily enough it was all he said they would do.
But history now.

Harsh, but if everyone took your stance poker would be nicer.

I always think this...if you're getting grief...you're getting lucky / winning....I could do with some more grief lol.

You still consider it harsh zebediah???????

;izimbra; ;izimbra;

No one else has seen the transcripts, so it's unfair to say the penalty was harsh without knowing all the facts.  I think it's fair to say that APAT would not have taken such a strong line unless they had very good reason, in other words, the abuse wasn't just petty chatter.

I congratulate APAT for responding quickly and taking such steps to stamp out unacceptable behaviour.

Thanks MAF.

I have seen the transcript, & "Petty chatter" it most certainly was not!

We just don't want or need follks like that.

I have a problem with the APAT...where's my Copenhagen report gone!!

:dontask:

It's still on the blonde front page

as for the apat site...people clearly need to read it quick!

No idea Daniel - I'll find out though.

Apparently there was some sort of technical problem & it was temporarily removed. It will be replaced, & we intend that it will remain on the site - www.apat.com - perrmanently.

Our apologies.

No problem - was being facetious really.  Seems a waste of such a good quality piece of prose though... ;whistle;

Is it just me, or do others here find that the higher stakes that you play, the less abuse that goes on?

Good observation that.

You mean we will receive a newsletter by email this/next week?  ;whistle;

Newsletters come out fortnightly

I know squire, my post was tongue in cheek as a lot of people (myself included) didnt get the last one. ;)

Just sit down with a bunch of multi-tablers.
They hardly have time to play never mind abuse you.

Talent is being able to play AND abuse people on 12 tables at the same time.

 ;hattip;