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Wow you really learn how your staek gets on your plate, not for the faint hearted!

Is that some sort of foreign food? ;)

well reminded, forgot about this

Its a new cut of beef, bit like steak really! ; )

Not as good as channel5..... <vomit>

Yeh i think she was worse than seeing the guts of the cattle! lol

Its on again tonight (I think), but it's Lamb on the menu tonight.

I though it was compulsive viewing. You want to turn away, but you can't because it's too interesting.

A really good point is made by this show. It gets people to connect with where their food is coming from, from slaughter right through to eating it.

Did this show put any one off eating meat?

No it didnt put me off, i have seen this on a farm. A lamb being slaughtered and butchered. We do about 3 lambs a year to put in freezer and i tell you what the meat has so much more flavour than supermarket stuff so i bet that fillet steak they had last night was beautiful!

EDIT- trouble is it clashes with will hill grand prix tonight!

Do you live on a farm KP? 

One day I hope to get a small holding and would like some pigs and a few lambs, Id be sending some off to slaughter every now and then.

Interesting tonight, wasn't overly keen on watching the throat being cut, but then I'm never going to do it myself.

My great uncle had a 250 acre farm but he passed away last may and basically the family has decided to keep the farm running for sentimental vreasons. The farm will never be sold so i hope to move into the farmhouse at some point next year. Definately cant afford to at the mo.
You don't like to see the animals being killed but at the end of the day you know they have had a great life up to that point- better than a lot of humans on this planet anyway!

hmmmm bacon  :)

As sick as this sounds i only wanna see the killing part!

The living conditions and treatment of factory farmed animals is appalling and should definitely be exposed.  Although what you see will not include the more severe cruelty.  If only enough people would make a stand and demand better living conditions for the animals they eat, in exchange for paying a little more.  The meat industry would be forced to meet consumer demands and the standard of meat would be better, as well as a better quality of life for the animals…   It breaks my heart…

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i thought meat come from the butchers and supermarkets.,.,
i dont hear anyone complaining about the wheat being cut.,.,it might have feelings too.,.,or the fruit.,.,.they all live at one point.,.,poor,poor tomatoes

I made a point of watching some of these, cos I eat meat, and love animals. The view I always used to take was that If we didn't farm cows,sheep,pigs etc ,they would not exist.
After watching this though, I think I wish,for there own sakes they didn't.

I spoke to a food scientist,a few months ago,she said It is within our power now, to 'grow' and 'shape'  our protien requirment, in the lab and to extend the process to allow for new foods that meet our food needs.

This would have to be done at the expence of the farming industry, and could only succeed, with full public acceptance of a new way of protien provision.

I would sign up tomorrow, cos our meat supplies are processed to a degree that makes the term "Farm Animal" redundant.

So its up to you folks, let the boffins 'grow' our requirments. or continue with this butchery.........literalily.

Im brought up in the proper hill farming country of mid wales where we farm purely to breed livestock. They are farm animals that they are showing in the programme on BBC 3 they live in the sheds and outside for their first 2 years (cattle now) and then off as we say 'down the road'. These animals are all cared for and they are raised from birth with the upmost care and attention as the programme shows, if they werent and were mistreated then it would show in the meat and the farmer would not get the optimum price for it. This obviously applies to all farm animals now where care is given. On our farm, it is now lambing time and the lambs are coming thick and fast. We travel up there 4 times within a full day, 5.30am, 12,pm, 6pm and 12.00 am to make sure the ewes are not struggling and are given birth as they should be. If they arent we send for the vet and he does what he can regardless of the cost as you have to keep your quota of sheep. If one dies you must replace it. And the same applies for the cows. We are not unique, this is how everydoes must and does treat their livestock and it must be said we look after our hundreds/thousands of sheep as a whole better than a lot of city slickers look after their 1 cat or dog.
Then when they head down the road to market/slaughter we know that they will die in the most peaceful way possible as again it does not pay for the animal to be stressed as the release of adrenalin will ruin the colour and taste of the meat decreasing its price when sold to the supermarket chains.
Everything from their birth to their demise is done is the most precautious manner to conserve the price and quality of the animal so i must argue that these animals have a better life than a lot of poor humans have in the developing countries!.If the general public cared about those people as much as farmers care about their animals then the world would be a much healthier place!
Sorry for the rant but it does annoy me when people talk about this meat production being called cruelty to animals when it clearly isnt/or couldnt even be if it wanted to!!!
For goodness sake, EU regualtions state even a veal calf gets more room being transported to slaughter, than a human does nin an economy class seat on a long haul flight!!!!!

Kingpoker your post suggests that this is the norm for all animals used for meat.  This is clearly wrong and a world apart from factory farmed animals. 

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OMG I just read the last part of your post about veal!!!  You are clearly delusional!!

Cows, lambs and pigs arent factory farmed. Only animals like chickens, turkeys etc can be said to be factory farmed!

It is true that EU regualtions state that when calves are being transported through countries on long haul they have to be contained in an individual box with a minimum size. Dont quite see how stating the law makes me deluisonal but each to their own hey!

Cows, pigs and sheep are factory farmed.  We don’t have enough pasture land to allow all livestock access to a life your animals have for the short time they are allowed to live!  http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming.asp 
You were using the example of veal to suggest that animals used and killed for meat are cared for.  Using the specific example of space is astonishing, as we all know veal calves  are raised in crates that restrict physical movement, to minimise the growth of muscle.  Was that intended as a joke?

Questian, Why do veal calfs need to be transported half way across the continant anyway.......................surely their "down the road" expierance, should be a little closer to home.

Eric Im pretty sure the production of veal is banned in this country.  These by-products of the dairy industry have no use other than as veal and so we export them to countries where their sad existence is allowed...

There is nothing funny about this.
My point was that the animals such as proper beef cattle, lambs and pigs have to be raised properly especially in the UK!
Are you the serious one? Do you honestly think our sheep and cattle dont have enough pasture! Do you have any idea of how a farm actually works and not just what you have read on a website! Do you think a cow eats all the grass on the farm then starves after that. If there wasnt enough pasture why are there 1000's and 1000's of acres of grass let down pembrokeshire, devon, etc for farmers around here to send their sheep for the summer. Why do we have lorries and lorries of hay being delivered to us and surrounding farmers each year if it wasnt sustainable. How come our sheep and cattle anrent malnourished. And why have i got 2 buckets of salt lick in my car if not the fact to provide supplements for the mothers to provide higher nutritional value milk for thier lambs!
You obviously live in a very media surrounded world if you think any of my reasons for sustainable rearing are 'delusional'.

Do you have any idea how much it costs to sustain the lives of sheep and cattle each and every year and do you think if we didnt eat meat then these animals would flourish, they would not be there at all.

And sorry eric just to clarify yes it is illegal in this country, we dont produce veal. We only sell cows 2 years old or more.

I have to wash up before badbeat, but will come back to this. 

I have to walk dogs at some point aswell lol!!

I am receiving counselling due to the fact that i have to come to terms with the fact that i dont think i will ever see Zelda in a leather mini skirt :( :( :(

Indeed Kingpoker, this is my point. It is the vegaterian pascall's dilema...............the land will be deviod of cattle sheep pigs etc unless they are farmed, but as they are only bred to be farmed,(they would not exist otherwise,) thats the only reason for them being here.

But as I said earlier, the pointlessness of their lives, that is, only existing to provide sustinunce for us, means they would be better off not having lived at all.

I am a meat eater,and anmal lover, and regret the meaningless of these beasts lives

Will do a quick response before i walk my dawgs!
I understand what your saying brendan but look at it another (maybe completely rediculous way)
Cows can i belive live up to 10- 15 years (maybe completely wrong about that)
So in other words, the two years they live for is equivalent to around 20- 25% of their possible total life span. So i would argue their life is not pointless.
If i was given the choice (again a totally stupid way of thinking but does work) of living for 20-25% of my total lifespan (lets say till i was 20 years old or so!)have a very comfortable life, and then be killed in an instantaneous way or....
not live at all, i know which i would choose.
Life is never pointless, i know our priorities have changed but we as a hunter-gatherer race we have always used natural resources to ensure our survival, its in-built!
And to finsih off again with a stupid thing, if my dogs died tomorrow, i would be devestated because i love them so much but i would take consolation in the fact that they had the best life possible up til then and thats exactly how i feel about the sheep and cows on the farm also!

http://www.wspa.org.uk/news.asp?newsID=276&type=3   note the last few pictures display a better quality of life for the animals and are a world apart from the earlier pictures. 

Not all farmed animals are allowed to graze and live a more natural existence due to the desire to produce the cheapest possible meat. You cannot deny that factory farming exists in this country.  Or that the animals within it suffer.  I realise people are going to eat meat - I advocate a more natural and better quality of life for them.  I may not live on a farm  but I make it my business to keep informed of various animal rights campaigns and teach in schools for animal aid and viva.  The 'very media surrounded world' I am used to living in is full of propaganda depicting untruths about the extent of suffering that we inflict on animals.  It may be the case that animals on your, and other similar, farms are well looked after while they are there.  But you cannot deny that factory farming exists and is cruel.

Kev - Im happy with the skin im in thankyou ;) 

I doff my cap, i really do understand where you are coming from and in what you just said you pretty much say what i think anyway. I dont deny it doesnt exist but i think where we differ is i believe it is very much in the minority of the farming sector that cruelty takes place. I certainly wouldnt stand for it in the area and would report any farmer who showed negligence towards ther animals but it simply doesnt happen around here.
I really have to walk my dogs now!

Enjoy :)

I will step aside now ,cos I don't want to be party to a thread that turns into a vegatarian v Farmer slanging match.up till now it has been very civil.

Anyway I want to turn my attentions to the evil polititions who are causing this current arlam about global warming,to prevent development in the 3rd world.

Now theres one to sleep on eh.

For the record, I thought it was a well mannered debate considering the fact that It's such an emotive subject

I thought the reaction of the people taking part was interesting. I suspect that the makers fully expected people to be put off eating meat by seeing the process in full, but that didn't happen.

I think a lot of vegetarians seem to think that meat-eaters are completely naive as to how their steak or sausages end up on their plate and, if they only saw the process involved, they'd turn veggie.

There is a problem with intensive farming, but the problem is that it produces bland meat. You can tell someone they should only eat meat which comes from 'ethical' (however you want to define it) farming practices and they may nod and say yes. They'll then go down the supermarket and buy the factory-farmed stuff, because it's cheaper.

Once you actually set up a taste test though, and they can compare the difference in taste, that is far more likely to make them pay the extra and make them switch than trying to appeal to their conscience. This is why I think that people who campaign against cruel farming methods should actually emphasise how tasty well produced meat is. It's easier to pull someone towards something that is appealing, rather than push them away from something that you think is unappealing.

Really like that line and i think it would work!

I would lose complete faith in the human race if I thought this true... 

Hillside is a sanctuary that does undercover investigations into farming methods.  Here is a link to one if you are interested http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3328361050740940103

I just cant believe that people know this sort of thing happens and dont care.  You must be wrong  :(