Title: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: the sicilian on March 26, 2007, 01:43:44 AM Ive been playing nearly 2 years and have always had reasonable results. recently i seemed to have made a transition in my game that i feel has upped me a few levels. I feel more confident and my play and reads seem to be very good.
I play at my local Grosvenor card room around once a week against what i consider some very good players. My last 13 tournaments all £50-£100 fouts i have 8 final tables and 4 outright wins.I can also say honestly ( beyond the usual winning of a few races which you need ) i haven't had major luck or cards in this time. My question is ...where can i gauge myself as a player in the great scheme of things ?? i have played a couple of £200 pound festival events and actually led one with a huge chip lead before making an unusual blowup ( think i got carried away) Can I consider myself a good player and does my recent record stand up? Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Woodsey on March 26, 2007, 02:06:25 AM Look at your results over a whole year or longer and that will tell you. 13 tourneys is nothing, you need to look at results over at least at couple of hundred tourneys. I had an outstanding 18 months but can't win bugger all in the last 4-5 months. Can't stress the words long term enough.
Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: TheJumper on March 26, 2007, 02:17:50 AM Look at your results over a whole year or longer and that will tell you. 13 tourneys is nothing, you need to look at results over at least at couple of hundred tourneys. I had an outstanding 18 months but can't win bugger all in the last 4-5 months. Can't stress the words long term enough. True. keep playing log all your entrys and winnings down and over a year the figures will speak for themselves. Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: the sicilian on March 26, 2007, 02:20:31 AM i actually keep a spreadsheet of every single game i play even internet s&g (bit anal i know) although ive recently stopped playing internet as computers being thrown from windows is getting expensive.
i have found over 2 years im up both live and internet for a total of £5K Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Woodsey on March 26, 2007, 02:26:02 AM I record every flipping bean. Its important to know which games you are winning and losing. If I did not keep records I would never have realised how much I was losing in online cash games which I don't play anymore. Then you can maximise your profits and work on your game in problem areas.
Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Royal Flush on March 26, 2007, 03:09:47 AM i have found over 2 years im up both live and internet for a total of £5K My last 13 tournaments all £50-£100 fouts i have 8 final tables and 4 outright wins.I can also say honestly ( beyond the usual winning of a few races which you need ) i haven't had major luck or cards in this time. This tells me that you are probably a break even player overall (depending on the field sizes for the 50-100 comps, i am imagining they got you out of overall debt) the trend is the most important thing to look at. Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Woodsey on March 26, 2007, 03:16:44 AM Thats a fair point. Without your recent wins u would be down right?
Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Longy on March 26, 2007, 07:33:17 AM Long term, if you are a good player you make $$$$$$$$$$$'s. If you are not you lose $$$$$$$. That is all.
Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: totalise on March 26, 2007, 08:18:18 AM Long term, if you are a good player you make $$$$$$$$$$$'s. If you are not you lose $$$$$$$. That is all. glad you layed this topic to rest! Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: RED-DOG on March 26, 2007, 09:44:47 AM ive recently stopped playing internet as computers being thrown from windows is getting expensive. Imho Good players don't throw computers out of windows. Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: totalise on March 26, 2007, 09:47:38 AM ive recently stopped playing internet as computers being thrown from windows is getting expensive. Imho Good players don't throw computers out of windows. do good players snap their laptop on half? Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: portfolio on March 26, 2007, 09:57:45 AM ive recently stopped playing internet as computers being thrown from windows is getting expensive. Imho Good players don't throw computers out of windows. do good players snap their laptop on half? yip its a minimum requirement!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: thetank on March 26, 2007, 10:12:28 AM Good players burn their PCs, in a cleansing pyre of billowing smoke.
Sicilian, if you feel like you are getting better, if you feel more confident, than you probably are getting better. Don't rest on your laurels though, keep thinking about everything, keep asking questions, and you'll get ecen better still. Good luck Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: jakally on March 26, 2007, 10:31:51 AM Quote Posted on: Today at 07:33:17 amPosted by: Longy Long term, if you are a good player you make $$$$$$$$$$$'s. If you are not you lose $$$$$$$. That is all. You don't necessarily need to be a 'good' player to make money (although it helps). You just need to find players that are worse than you. Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Muahahahaha on March 26, 2007, 10:33:26 AM Can I consider myself a good player ? Life is like a box of chocolates. Stupid is as stupid does. Define 'good' I'm a profitable player, but I'm crap. Last year I made $200 profit. This year, if I lose every penny in every account I've got, I'll still be up. So I'm getting better. But I'm not going to win any $100k tourneys soon, so I'll stick at my $10 level for the time being, thank you. I think the important thing you said was how you feel more confidant. If you feel capable at this level & the cash involved is significant to you, then you're doing fine. Considering that some of the top pros fail to convince that they are long term profitable, I think you should redefine your question. Are you good enough ? Yes, but you should want to get better. Ask Doyle. Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: TightEnd on March 26, 2007, 10:51:48 AM Sicilian
We play against each other regularly I rate you highly, and your game has certainly improved a bundle whereas of course some in that cardroom are not interested in progressing or won't, you seem to have done. No idea if you have consciously worked to improve your game or not, I suspect you have Hope your recent run continues, unless I am in the comp with you! Record keeping...honest record keeping... is the start, growing a bankroll to be able to compete selectively at higher levels and then making money there that is the next stage for you I think. Playing any of the Springfest with your winnings? Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Longy on March 26, 2007, 10:56:24 AM Quote Posted on: Today at 07:33:17 amPosted by: Longy Long term, if you are a good player you make $$$$$$$$$$$'s. If you are not you lose $$$$$$$. That is all. You don't necessarily need to be a 'good' player to make money (although it helps). You just need to find players that are worse than you. Table selection one of the most important aspects of a "good" player. My original response may be a touch flippant but i think it is pretty true, how do you keep score in poker, how much money you make relative to everyone else. We could into semantics about the fact that someone winning at 15c/30c is not as "good" at poker as someone losing at $5/10 but the player at 5/10 cannot be described as "good" player as he is playing out of his/her depth. Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: portfolio on March 26, 2007, 11:41:43 AM ver simply,
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ are how u keep score in poker ! Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: thetank on March 26, 2007, 11:47:47 AM If he's playing regularly with that big fish Tightend, his table selection is quite good ;D
Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: byronkincaid on March 26, 2007, 11:49:22 AM I think an easy way to find out how good you are is to start posting hands and commenting on other people's hands on strat forums. Where ever you decide to post it's usually becomes clear after a while who the good posters are. If you always jump in first to answer people and your advice lines up with the good players....
Just watch out for the people who are good, authoritive writers but crap poker players who give awful advice in some long old waffley but excellently written post that makes it seem better than it really is. Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Muahahahaha on March 26, 2007, 11:50:03 AM ver simply, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ are how u keep score in poker ! But that's in the long term. If I stick at the feeble levels I play at, then in the long term I will regularly earn $$$. But for me to improve my skills to earn $$$$$$ I'll need to spend some time making mistakes against better players, in which case I'll be earning -$$$$ for a while until I get the hang of it. Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: thetank on March 26, 2007, 11:52:03 AM I think an easy way to find out how good you are is to start posting hands and commenting on other people's hands on strat forums. Where ever you decide to post it's usually becomes clear after a while who the good posters are. If you always jump in first to answer people and your advice lines up with the good players.... Just watch out for the people who are good, authoritive writers but crap poker players who give awful advice in some long old waffley but excellently written post that makes it seem better than it really is. :goodpost: (but not too good a post, if you know what I mean) Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: matt674 on March 26, 2007, 12:01:59 PM ver simply, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ are how u keep score in poker ! But that's in the long term. If I stick at the feeble levels I play at, then in the long term I will regularly earn $$$. But for me to improve my skills to earn $$$$$$ I'll need to spend some time making mistakes against better players, in which case I'll be earning -$$$$ for a while until I get the hang of it. Not necessarily, below is a quote from a thread about a year ago when we talked about a similar subject. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=8577.msg185484#msg185484 Rather than stepping up to a higher level and losing money making mistakes against better players why not identify which areas of your game you would need to improve to step up a level while still playing at the lower levels. Then when you feel as though you have improved enough to compete at the next level you can step up and hopefully not lose as much. Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: matt674 on March 26, 2007, 03:27:51 PM You could always try changing your name half way thru so people don't get a good read on you.............. ;whistle;
Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Eck on March 26, 2007, 03:28:38 PM And changing your identity wiil also help people getting a read on you ;whistle; ;goodvevil;
Bloody Monkeys !!!!! Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: the sicilian on March 26, 2007, 03:32:32 PM ooops sorry my m8 celtic used my computer last to login to blonde didnt realise i was logged in as him.....or did he???? signed man of many faces lol
Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: matt674 on March 26, 2007, 03:37:18 PM Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: KingPoker on March 26, 2007, 03:37:33 PM lol i love how on here the vultures are always circling waiting for something to mess up!!!
Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: matt674 on March 26, 2007, 03:45:23 PM lol i love how on here the vultures are always circling waiting for something to mess up!!! observation skills and spotting patterns and norms are necessary weapons in the world of poker so when something doesn't go to plan you can spot it instantly. ok, so this was a little easier to spot than most - but still ;D Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Royal Flush on March 26, 2007, 04:29:06 PM Just watch out for the people who are good, authoritive writers but crap poker players who give awful advice in some long old waffley but excellently written post that makes it seem better than it really is. T. Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: totalise on March 26, 2007, 05:28:54 PM Just watch out for the people who are good, authoritive writers but crap poker players who give awful advice in some long old waffley but excellently written post that makes it seem better than it really is. T. yeah I thought it was harsh as well =( Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: byronkincaid on March 26, 2007, 07:52:27 PM Just watch out for the people who are good, authoritive writers but crap poker players who give awful advice in some long old waffley but excellently written post that makes it seem better than it really is. T. yeah I thought it was harsh as well =( WTF ya talking about? i don't think you're a good writer ;) I don't know if any of you remember cris brown on 2p2 a few years ago, sherrif might. She would be my number 1 example of someone who a lot of people thought was some amazing poster and then slowly realised she was talking complete bollox. Anyway I'm not posting anymore hands cos I'm scared that flushy might make a sarky comment :D Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Royal Flush on March 26, 2007, 08:12:35 PM I've given up with HA, most of the posters are too far gone, will save it for specific people who can still be salvaged!
Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Ironside on March 26, 2007, 11:09:49 PM I've given up with HA, most of the posters are too far gone, will save it for specific people who can still be salvaged! how should i play AK on the button to a raise reraise and a flat call when i still have 20x the rereaise in my stack Title: Re: how do you gauge how good a player you are Post by: Snatiramas on March 29, 2007, 11:56:32 AM If you are constantly trying to improve your game - you are a good player
If you can be comfortable laying down a good hand whether it is a bluff or not - you are a good player If you make money year on year regardless of the natural swings - you are a good player If you can find some way to donk off all your chips to me at Luton sometime - you are a good player IMHO does it matter whether you are good or not. How do you measure good. Only against what the norm might be. The norm is made up of other peoples opinions. Who cares about other peoples opinions? I suppose at various times in life we all do, but over a game of cards I can honestly say I don't give a stuff what others think. Moreover I look to people who do care and try to tease chips out of them. Can't help it, it's just the way I am. Keep playing, keep improving but most of all enjoy it. |