Title: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: M3boy on March 27, 2007, 11:18:32 PM Super Sat
1 seat F all for 2nd Blinds 150 300 with ante You are heads up and have 22000 Other guy has 2800 You get dealt A2 o/s He pushes in Call? Or wait for a better spot? Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: doubleup on March 27, 2007, 11:52:19 PM I'd probably pass but not much in it.
Not sure what others will think but I'd rather have him having to make the decision rather than me, so I'd be pushing a lot from the sb and looking to wait for a slightly better hand to call a push. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: kinboshi on March 27, 2007, 11:57:19 PM Fold.
Push on the next hand. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: M3boy on March 28, 2007, 12:07:32 AM Thx guys
After the "heat of the moment" that would also be my advice. Oh well,,, PS : Can the mods remove the Irish open banner from the main page? Its a painfull reminder :( lol Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: boldie on March 28, 2007, 03:40:21 AM yeah..fold and keep the pressure up on the next hands.
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on March 28, 2007, 04:09:07 AM Call
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: AlexMartin on March 28, 2007, 06:44:29 AM Fold, wait for him to make a mistake.
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: M3boy on March 28, 2007, 09:58:26 AM Interestingly,,,,,,,,,,,
I have had the view from 2 well known Pro's who have said the call IS a no brainer. Just goes to show there is no right or wrong answer. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: bobby1 on March 28, 2007, 01:39:32 PM Super Sat 1 seat F all for 2nd Blinds 150 300 with ante You are heads up and have 22000 Other guy has 2800 You get dealt A2 o/s He pushes in Call? Or wait for a better spot? Paul, I call in that spot every time. I'm assumimg from your later post that it went pear shaped but what did he have in that hand and wht happened? thanks Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: portfolio on March 28, 2007, 01:49:15 PM even i instacacall !!
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: doubleup on March 28, 2007, 01:53:00 PM CALL!!! You almost have a 10:1 chip ratio on him. Call with any 2 cards. So the Big H says anyway... Please supply the hands not including a 2 that A2 is a big favorite over? I don't know why ppl are so keen to gamble, poker is about making less mistakes than your opponent not happily embracing situations where your opponent has to gamble (you don't) and cant be making a big mistake. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: stewart on March 28, 2007, 02:13:10 PM u got to call here also h2h any A is massive esp with your chip advange you want to take the shot while he is short not let him nick more chips next time u get a hand to call with it will cost your more and more if u pass this one up, imo i also call here with any K he is most likely pushing with any connector or any suited cards, and if you take the shot now you still have a chip advantage and can play proper poker as it is its only ever going to be all-in pre, i dont agree with the post push from the sb with any 2 what if u get 29 or something simlar ? still push ? lol
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on March 28, 2007, 02:17:57 PM I dont call here with pretty much any two like jjandellis says. but i do call here with your hand. You still have 19200 to his 5600 if you lose so i dont see much problem.
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: doubleup on March 28, 2007, 02:22:23 PM what if u get 29 or something simlar ? still push ? lol Yes - he then has the decision to call and can make the mistake of folding. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: WellChief on March 28, 2007, 02:32:15 PM I think the call is a no-brainer to be honest. You're ahead of his range with a massive chip lead, if you lose you still have a massive chip lead. He probably pushes most hands here.
doubleup - If you're ahead of his range its a mistake to fold. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: doubleup on March 28, 2007, 02:42:51 PM I think the call is a no-brainer to be honest. You're ahead of his range with a massive chip lead, if you lose you still have a massive chip lead. He probably pushes most hands here. doubleup - If you're ahead of his range its a mistake to fold. a) he is never a big dog vs your hand, you are a big dog against a lot of his hands b) If he wins he has a playable stack rather than being a pushbot, if you pass he is still a pushbot. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: M3boy on March 28, 2007, 02:59:01 PM This is certainly interesting topic.
I insta called, taking my shot to "wrap" it up with my Ace, knowing that I would still have a commanding chip lead if I lost. For the person who asked, he had K Q and hit two Q's on the flop. Yes it went wrong from then on, he hit everything. Fair play to the guy. It was a great heads up battle. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: WellChief on March 28, 2007, 03:04:19 PM I think the call is a no-brainer to be honest. You're ahead of his range with a massive chip lead, if you lose you still have a massive chip lead. He probably pushes most hands here. doubleup - If you're ahead of his range its a mistake to fold. a) he is never a big dog vs your hand, you are a big dog against a lot of his hands b) If he wins he has a playable stack rather than being a pushbot, if you pass he is still a pushbot. If you see his cards (KQ) do you call? Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: Royal Flush on March 28, 2007, 03:09:29 PM This is such an easy call, all those who say fold make sure i never agree to swap a % with you!
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: doubleup on March 28, 2007, 03:17:13 PM Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on March 28, 2007, 03:17:25 PM LOL
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: doubleup on March 28, 2007, 03:20:54 PM This is such an easy call, all those who say fold make sure i never agree to swap a % with you! Your usual insightful contribution. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: WellChief on March 28, 2007, 03:23:56 PM It was actually a serious question, I imagine the %age favourite you are with A2 over KQ is similar to the %age favourite you'd be over a realistic hand range for him.
Seems like you're keen on waiting for a situation where you definitely have him dominated. How long before this happens? How many chips will he have by then? Probably more than the 5K he'll have if you double him up here! Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: doubleup on March 28, 2007, 03:40:49 PM It was actually a serious question, I imagine the %age favourite you are with A2 over KQ is similar to the %age favourite you'd be over a realistic hand range for him. Seems like you're keen on waiting for a situation where you definitely have him dominated. How long before this happens? How many chips will he have by then? Probably more than the 5K he'll have if you double him up here! How do you know what his range is? If his range is any 2 broadway, any pair, any ace you don't have a call and you're 3-1 on to steal his blind next hand. How am I waiting to have him dominated when I'm happy to push with any two next hand? Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: temp0r on March 28, 2007, 04:23:36 PM lol @ folding.
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: kinboshi on March 28, 2007, 07:47:51 PM At the end of the day heads up is all about aggression isn't it? If you had backed down on that, with an 8/1 chip lead, your chiplead diminishes. He gets his confidence up and keeps pushing. Meanwhile, your chip lead keeps decreasing and you get jittery even with bigger hands than the A2. His tail is up and he starts pushing u around. You had to make the stand and it was a perfectly good call IMO. Just a little unlucky afterwards... If you fold and push on the next hand - that's hardly passive. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: kinboshi on March 28, 2007, 09:23:00 PM Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: Royal Flush on March 28, 2007, 09:38:08 PM You could just keep doing that all day, each push from the button, 6hrs later you will still have to call 1 of them eventually. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: kinboshi on March 28, 2007, 10:05:28 PM You could just keep doing that all day, each push from the button, 6hrs later you will still have to call 1 of them eventually. You'll win as the blinds go up and he'll eventually be blinded away...;whistle; Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: AlexMartin on March 29, 2007, 09:17:45 AM I really dont see why you cant fold and wait for aces.
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: Tragic on March 29, 2007, 04:07:36 PM I call alll day
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: Muahahahaha on March 30, 2007, 11:04:45 AM I'm a bit slow into this one, sorry, but it reminded me of something shown on last years WSOP. It's a little bit hazy by now, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Not the main event, Joe Hachem got HU with a lesser player. ( I forget his name, I'll call him Bob ). Bob had a chip lead & his game plan was to get Hachem all in as often as possible, whether he had the best hand or not. Hachem was happy as long as he had the best hand, Bob was working on the idea that eventually the maths would drop in his favour. He might be a 2/1 dog each hand, but that meant that in 3 or 4 hands he was likely to win. Eventually it worked. I think in this case similar tactics sound good to me. It's not gambling, it's using the mathematical fact that you need to have him all in before you can win, and it doesn't matter if you are 4/1 favourite or 4/1 dog, do it enough times & one will fall in your favour. Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: AlexMartin on April 01, 2007, 03:04:30 AM Problem is, every time he wins he doubles up and gets more powerful............fine line.
Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: I KNOW IT on April 01, 2007, 12:00:49 PM I'm a bit slow into this one, sorry, but it reminded me of something shown on last years WSOP. It's a little bit hazy by now, so correct me if I'm wrong. You mean well known pro Dutch Boyd?Not the main event, Joe Hachem got HU with a lesser player. ( I forget his name, I'll call him Bob ). Bob had a chip lead & his game plan was to get Hachem all in as often as possible, whether he had the best hand or not. Hachem was happy as long as he had the best hand, Bob was working on the idea that eventually the maths would drop in his favour. He might be a 2/1 dog each hand, but that meant that in 3 or 4 hands he was likely to win. Eventually it worked. I think in this case similar tactics sound good to me. It's not gambling, it's using the mathematical fact that you need to have him all in before you can win, and it doesn't matter if you are 4/1 favourite or 4/1 dog, do it enough times & one will fall in your favour. I agree easy call in relation to chip stacks esp holding an Ace. Before you posted his holding Iwould have said hes likely to push with any pictures which he did. ul gg Title: Re: Do you call or wait for a better spot? Post by: johnbhoy76 on April 01, 2007, 03:26:59 PM Super Sat 1 seat F all for 2nd Blinds 150 300 with ante You are heads up and have 22000 Other guy has 2800 You get dealt A2 o/s He pushes in Call? Or wait for a better spot? Is this the first time he has gone all in? How did he end up with 2800, has he just lost a big pot? maybe it's a frustrated push. Even if you double him up he'll only have around 6,000 and you'll have around 19,000. Still a healthy lead heads up. This might be worth a calculated gamble to end it right now If this is the first time he has pushed then I'd give him credit for having an Ace or a pair rather than just random shite. |