Title: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: smithy69 on March 29, 2007, 01:01:27 PM I finished work late last night, and decided about 6pm to play in the £10 rebuy at rileys snooker club in ipswich.
About 3 hands in this happened - what is the correct decision A shorty goes all in and 2 bigger stacks call - with obviously the option of playing a side pot. Check check after the flop, and check check after the turn. The river is then dealt and 1 of the lads who still has chips and can build a sidepot turns over his cards and announces Straight!!!! (he was 1st to act|) The other guy in the hand mucks his hand. IT IS ONLY THEN POINTED OUT THAT HE DOESNT HAVE A STRAIGHT!!!!! The guy who mucked as he was told his opponent had a straight - would have won the hand. What happens Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: RED-DOG on March 29, 2007, 01:03:37 PM The mucked hand is dead.
Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: thetank on March 29, 2007, 01:04:56 PM Mucked is mucked, nothing can be done.
Player with fuffed straight wins side pot, and plays off against the all-in chap for the main pot. The player who tossed away the winning hand hopefully learns from this. Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: dan on March 29, 2007, 01:05:15 PM the guy who mucked his hand is now out of it and its a showdown between the all in guy and the guy that cant read his hand
Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: TightEnd on March 29, 2007, 01:07:18 PM Has the mucked hand touched other cards? if not, it can be retrieved and is still live.
Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: smithy69 on March 29, 2007, 01:12:15 PM when the guy said straight he threw his cards in the middle!!!
Obviously when people pointed out he didnt have a straight he grabbed them back. Shouldnt the player who miss called his hand be penalised Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: kinboshi on March 29, 2007, 01:15:30 PM Did he reveal his cards before the end of the betting?
Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: smithy69 on March 29, 2007, 01:16:14 PM he called straight when the river was dealt- there was still betting ot be done
Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: portfolio on March 29, 2007, 01:17:20 PM rileys cant run snooker never mind poker imo.
Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: smithy69 on March 29, 2007, 01:20:14 PM in fairness it is a well run game - no complaints from me
Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: matt674 on March 29, 2007, 01:24:36 PM Monkeys golden rules of poker:
(6)ii - Never trust a poker player Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: Digger on March 29, 2007, 01:27:51 PM I'm no expert, but would have thought the pot would be won buy the only player that hasn't mucked/revealed hand before the end of the betting round?
Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: Rod Paradise on March 29, 2007, 01:31:16 PM I'm no expert, but would have thought the pot would be won buy the only player that hasn't mucked/revealed hand before the end of the betting round? You're making sense - but the the qusestion arises - what happens to the side pot - as the 2 players involved have managed to in one case reveal the hand while betting is still to take place, or muck? Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: RED-DOG on March 29, 2007, 01:35:02 PM I'm no expert, but would have thought the pot would be won buy the only player that hasn't mucked/revealed hand before the end of the betting round? You're making sense - but the the qusestion arises - what happens to the side pot - as the 2 players involved have managed to in one case reveal the hand while betting is still to take place, or muck? Revealed hand stands, but can't bet, mucked hand is dead. Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: matt674 on March 29, 2007, 01:37:51 PM from my understanding there wasnt a side pot. There was the option of creating one but the player first to speak after the river was dealt turned his cards over before the betting action could commence.
However the other person who was involved with potentially building a side pot - instead of saying that his opponent had revealed his cards before betting had taken place instead decided to muck his hand, meaning his hand was dead and he was no longer involved in the pot. This meant that now a showdown occured between the all in short stack and the player who declared "straight" but in fact had nothing. The chips should be given to whoever had the best hand of these two (the non-straight player may still have had the best hand) (monkeys rules of poker - work in jungleville ;)) Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: Eck on March 29, 2007, 01:42:18 PM I finished work late last night, and decided about 6pm to play in the £10 rebuy at rileys snooker club in ipswich. About 3 hands in this happened - what is the correct decision A shorty goes all in and 2 bigger stacks call - with obviously the option of playing a side pot. Check check after the flop, and check check after the turn. The river is then dealt and 1 of the lads who still has chips and can build a sidepot turns over his cards and announces Straight!!!! (he was 1st to act|) The other guy in the hand mucks his hand. IT IS ONLY THEN POINTED OUT THAT HE DOESNT HAVE A STRAIGHT!!!!! The guy who mucked as he was told his opponent had a straight - would have won the hand. What happens They see who can sink the colours the quickest. No need for thanks always glad to help. ;hattip; Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: smithy69 on March 29, 2007, 01:44:07 PM perfect post and exactly how i would call it
in the end the td ummed and arred for a bit - as both players argued who was in the wrong- he declared the shown hand as dead!!!!!!! very strange although the diceman can back me up on a stranger one. I was at the final table last week and a short stack went all in - next to act went all in - and last to act called. The guy who had them all covered won - hence knocking out 2 players at once who got 5th and who got 6th Logic tells you whoever had the most chips out from the departed players - wrong - the short stack had pocket queens and was awarded 5th as he had a better starting hand than the bigger stack lololo Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: thetank on March 29, 2007, 06:10:42 PM My favourite was when, with the blinds at 600/1200, one limper and the button makes it 3000 to go.
Small blind calls as did I for the extra 1800 chips, the limper went all in for 3100 total. Button calls the extra 100, small blind wants to go all-in for 15,000+ TD lets him because "you can go all-in at any time" ;frustrated; Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: Royal Flush on March 29, 2007, 06:15:02 PM in fairness it is a well run game in the end the td ummed and arred for a bit - as both players argued who was in the wrong- he declared the shown hand as dead!!!!!!! very strange the short stack had pocket queens and was awarded 5th as he had a better starting hand than the bigger stack lololo Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: Tractor on March 29, 2007, 06:48:57 PM in fairness it is a well run game in the end the td ummed and arred for a bit - as both players argued who was in the wrong- he declared the shown hand as dead!!!!!!! very strange the short stack had pocket queens and was awarded 5th as he had a better starting hand than the bigger stack lololo rotflmfao Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: smithy69 on March 29, 2007, 07:21:25 PM cheeky feckers!!!!!
I meant with the tables being of good quality,bloke on the mic doing the final table hand by hand etcetc Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: bolt pp on March 29, 2007, 08:15:38 PM rileys cant run snooker never mind poker imo. EXACTLY!! Shithole of a gaff. Title: Re: Sort this out!!!!!!! Post by: taximan007 on March 30, 2007, 03:10:33 AM This happened to me in a local tournament, last year, after the river, i bet, guy calls and announces he has a straight, i muck straight away, he then reveals his "misread hand" and is most apologetic. (knowing the guy very well) i knew it was a genuine mistake. He wanted to make the pot void, eg, return all chips etc. But my stance was that i had mucked, therefore my fault, i should have kept my cards until he had shown.
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