Title: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: byronkincaid on April 08, 2007, 11:34:14 PM This rule that some casinos have where if you're not at your seat for a round they make you post a blind every hand. It's completely insane right?
I mean if they had this rule at an online site nobody would play there. If you got disconnected for 10 minutes you'd be out. So why is this acceptable live? Today was the second day of the £500 at the Rendezvous and the journey down there that had been taking me less than an hour for the rest of the week took two and a half hours due to very long traffic jams. The cardroom manager made the excellent decision IMO that as there were a few people caught up in this that she would delay the start by 15 minutes and only blind us off when it was actually our turn to post the blinds. This was prob quite a brave thing to do if she got moaned at like I did when I finally got there. But isn't the Rendezvous owned by Harrahs? They don't blind Hellmouth off every hand when he turns up for the WSOP 2 hours late every year do they? They don't have this completely moronic rule at the WPT, EPT, APAT or GUKPT right? Isn't it time to get rid of this stupid rule? Could APAT do anything about it? Anyway The Rendezvous is a cool casino with an excellent cardroom manager and I will certainly play there again. Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: tikay on April 08, 2007, 11:53:19 PM This rule that some casinos have where if you're not at your seat for a round they make you post a blind every hand. It's completely insane right? I mean if they had this rule at an online site nobody would play there. If you got disconnected for 10 minutes you'd be out. So why is this acceptable live? Today was the second day of the £500 at the Rendezvous and the journey down there that had been taking me less than an hour for the rest of the week took two and a half hours due to very long traffic jams. The cardroom manager made the excellent decision IMO that as there were a few people caught up in this that she would delay the start by 15 minutes and only blind us off when it was actually our turn to post the blinds. This was prob quite a brave thing to do if she got moaned at like I did when I finally got there. But isn't the Rendezvous owned by Harrahs? They don't blind Hellmouth off every hand when he turns up for the WSOP 2 hours late every year do they? They don't have this completely moronic rule at the WPT, EPT, APAT or GUKPT right? Isn't it time to get rid of this stupid rule? Could APAT do anything about it? Anyway The Rendezvous is a cool casino with an excellent cardroom manager and I will certainly play there again. Hi Justin, Good to see you the weekend, & glad to see you made Day Two. Sorry I never said goodbye last night, but I busted out in rather exotic circumstances, (had TT v AQ, flopped the T first card.....) & decided it best if I beat a hasty retreat! The "Rule" you refer to is plain daft, but is slowly being removed by most forward-thinking Venues. They did it to djinn - Jen Mason - at a Luton Fessie Final last year, but she was so steamed up at her late arrival, & loss of two-thirds of her stack to auto-Big Blind every single hand, she steam-rollered the table & went on to in it! I believe Luton have changed the Rule now. Can APAT change it? APAT do not use that Rule - quite obviously - and the APAT Rules have been signed off by the Gaming Commission. We use our "own" Rules (in truth, an adaption of what we think are the best & fairest bits from most available or published Rules) at all our Events, & so they have now been used at, & presumably accepted, if not implemented full time, at an Aspers, The Broadway, a Grosvenor, & this weekend, in a Gala. That's good progress, in our view. Softly, softly, catchee monkey.... Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: tikay on April 08, 2007, 11:54:23 PM By the way, you refered to the excellent TD at Brighton Rendezous - please see.... http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=22343.0 Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: dealerFROMhell on April 09, 2007, 05:11:23 AM None of the Grosvenor tournaments have ever applied that rule in the time that i've been working for them. It's just the usual small blind, then big blind of every round.
At The Vic, in PL Hold'em cash games, you get a "missed blind" button, that amounts to the small and big blind whenever you miss the blinds, and you have to post that before you can contonue playing (Unless you come in on the big blind of course). Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: tikay on April 09, 2007, 11:03:21 AM None of the Grosvenor tournaments have ever applied that rule in the time that i've been working for them. It's just the usual small blind, then big blind of every round. At The Vic, in PL Hold'em cash games, you get a "missed blind" button, that amounts to the small and big blind whenever you miss the blinds, and you have to post that before you can contonue playing (Unless you come in on the big blind of course). It WAS applied at Grosvenor Luton last year, in the UK Open Fessie which Jen won, & I have seen it applied at several other Grosvenors, too. But not recently. Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: Eyeofsauron on April 09, 2007, 12:12:05 PM From what I can understand from playing two previous APAT events, the ruling is you must be seated at your table at the start of the tournament or face disqualification. Therefore, you wouldn't be in the situation of having to post the big blind in every hand if you were stuck in a traffic jam, as you simply wouldn't be allowed to play when you finally made it to the casino.
Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: Sheriff Fatman on April 09, 2007, 12:14:23 PM From what I can understand from playing two previous APAT events, the ruling is you must be seated at your table at the start of the tournament or face disqualification. Therefore, you wouldn't be in the situation of having to post the big blind in every hand if you were stuck in a traffic jam, as you simply wouldn't be allowed to play when you finally made it to the casino. Doesn't apply when you return for day 2 of a tournament though. Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: tikay on April 09, 2007, 12:16:11 PM From what I can understand from playing two previous APAT events, the ruling is you must be seated at your table at the start of the tournament or face disqualification. Therefore, you wouldn't be in the situation of having to post the big blind in every hand if you were stuck in a traffic jam, as you simply wouldn't be allowed to play when you finally made it to the casino. Doesn't apply when you return for day 2 of a tournament though. Correct, that "must be in your Seat" rule applies, in every Casino, (though some say "in the building", but "in your seat" is easier to manage) on Day One ONLY. Weird, but true! Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: tikay on April 09, 2007, 12:18:51 PM Just to clarify, these "must be in your Seat/on the premises when play commences on Day One" rules are GC inspired. Blinding folks off every hand if they leave the table, or fail to arrive in time for the start of Day Two, are NOT GC-inspired, they are venue driven. Though I'm surprised the GC permit it. Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: Indestructable on April 09, 2007, 12:22:43 PM Another tip is to never drive in to Brighton in the day time on a Bank holiday weekend. Done it once and never again.
Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: tikay on April 09, 2007, 12:24:11 PM Another tip is to never drive in to Brighton in the day time on a Bank holiday weekend. Done it once and never again. I drove down on Thursday from Derbyshire - 5 hours. I droive down again on Bank Holiday Saturday - 2 hours 45 minutes! Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: lazaroonie on April 09, 2007, 12:40:18 PM i think its an excellent rule and should be applied vigorously, everywhere.
no excuse for tardiness. Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: Indestructable on April 09, 2007, 01:41:45 PM Another tip is to never drive in to Brighton in the day time on a Bank holiday weekend. Done it once and never again. I drove down on Thursday from Derbyshire - 5 hours. I drove down again on Bank Holiday Saturday - 2 hours 45 minutes! Haven't you heard of carbon footprint? Where's Al Gore when you need him? :) Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: Ironside on April 09, 2007, 01:50:13 PM the rule is stupid
if i want to go sit out goto the toliet or go for a lap dance in the middle of an event i shoukd be able to just the same as if i just want to pass every hand i should pay the blinds whent they get round to me and no more i have seen me planning rush trips to the toliets in some casinos having to get a key from the cash desk having to wait to get the key then get round the thronds of rouleete players get the key back to the cash desk retake my seat and told that i was away longer than 3 hands and its cost me a number of big blinds Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: lazaroonie on April 09, 2007, 02:05:49 PM tough - if you need the lavvy, then go during the breaks/before it starts.
In case it had escaped anyone's notice, you are there to play poker, not swan around the place taking breaks whenever you feel like it. you can just image a forumla 1 driver taking a break when he feels like it - should all the other drivers slow down and wait for him ? i thought poker wanted to be taken seriously as well... Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: Ironside on April 09, 2007, 02:08:38 PM tough - if you need the lavvy, then go during the breaks/before it starts. In case it had escaped anyone's notice, you are there to play poker, not swan around the place taking breaks whenever you feel like it. you can just image a forumla 1 driver taking a break when he feels like it - should all the other drivers slow down and wait for him ? i thought poker wanted to be taken seriously as well... not all of us are lucky enough to be able to do that when i need to pee i need to pee and its going to happen within 5 minutes of me working that i need to pee whether i am at the toliet or not not everyone can wait 3 hours till the next break Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: Ironside on April 09, 2007, 02:09:42 PM oh and whats the difference between being away from the table and passing blind every hand
NONE Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: I KNOW IT on April 09, 2007, 02:11:39 PM tough - if you need the lavvy, then go during the breaks/before it starts. What advantage do you think a player gets by missing hands in a tournament?In case it had escaped anyone's notice, you are there to play poker, not swan around the place taking breaks whenever you feel like it. you can just image a forumla 1 driver taking a break when he feels like it - should all the other drivers slow down and wait for him ? i thought poker wanted to be taken seriously as well... Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: kinboshi on April 09, 2007, 02:13:52 PM From what I can understand from playing two previous APAT events, the ruling is you must be seated at your table at the start of the tournament or face disqualification. Therefore, you wouldn't be in the situation of having to post the big blind in every hand if you were stuck in a traffic jam, as you simply wouldn't be allowed to play when you finally made it to the casino. Doesn't apply when you return for day 2 of a tournament though. Correct, that "must be in your Seat" rule applies, in every Casino, (though some say "in the building", but "in your seat" is easier to manage) on Day One ONLY. Weird, but true! There is a bit of difference between being there for the start of Day 1 and the start of Day 2. Effectively the start of Day 2 is the end of the break at the end of Day 1. Same as the break for dinner, just a lot longer. If the rule in the UK is that a player must be seated at the start of the tournament - will that be in place for the WSOP event taking place in the UK? No reason why it shouldn't :dontask: Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: lazaroonie on April 09, 2007, 02:38:28 PM tough - if you need the lavvy, then go during the breaks/before it starts. What advantage do you think a player gets by missing hands in a tournament?In case it had escaped anyone's notice, you are there to play poker, not swan around the place taking breaks whenever you feel like it. you can just image a forumla 1 driver taking a break when he feels like it - should all the other drivers slow down and wait for him ? i thought poker wanted to be taken seriously as well... well, poker is a test of endurance as well as skill. by removing yourself from the table whenever you feel like it, you are gaining an advantage, preventing boredom etc. just play the game !! Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: Ironside on April 09, 2007, 02:42:43 PM tough - if you need the lavvy, then go during the breaks/before it starts. What advantage do you think a player gets by missing hands in a tournament?In case it had escaped anyone's notice, you are there to play poker, not swan around the place taking breaks whenever you feel like it. you can just image a forumla 1 driver taking a break when he feels like it - should all the other drivers slow down and wait for him ? i thought poker wanted to be taken seriously as well... well, poker is a test of endurance as well as skill. by removing yourself from the table whenever you feel like it, you are gaining an advantage, preventing boredom etc. just play the game !! another tool in the armoury of the player knowing when to take that extra break for a quick 40 winks Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: TightEnd on April 09, 2007, 02:43:05 PM None of the Grosvenor tournaments have ever applied that rule in the time that i've been working for them. It's just the usual small blind, then big blind of every round. At The Vic, in PL Hold'em cash games, you get a "missed blind" button, that amounts to the small and big blind whenever you miss the blinds, and you have to post that before you can contonue playing (Unless you come in on the big blind of course). It WAS applied at Grosvenor Luton last year, in the UK Open Fessie which Jen won, & I have seen it applied at several other Grosvenors, too. But not recently. Luton dropped the rule last year. tikay is right. Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: phatomch on April 13, 2007, 11:55:24 PM this rule was made when small buy in comps came to the Grosvenors around 2 years ago was used for six months and then dumped because common sense preveiled it only lasted as long as 6 months because that is the duration beeetween grosvenor casino cardroom rules meetings.
Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: Royal Flush on April 14, 2007, 04:50:01 AM Gone from the Rendezvous now :D
Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: Raindogs on April 14, 2007, 12:57:51 PM 1 BB per hand ? That's nothing !!
At the Broadway they increase it BY 1BB per hand !! So (at 50/100) first round it's 50, then 100, 150 etc.. Got to be the most stupid rule ever. Title: Re: The post blinds every hand rule Post by: doubleup on April 14, 2007, 05:56:33 PM I'm pretty sure if someone approached the Gambling Commission and put forward the case that this rule is forcing ppl to gamble when they do not wish to, they would ban the practice as it clearly violates their principles.
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