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Title: This is stress
Post by: Sark79 on May 14, 2007, 11:35:54 AM
Taken from a BBC show on tonight.   I just saw this on the news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxqR5NPhtLI


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Digger on May 14, 2007, 11:39:33 AM
Not Happy is he  ;whistle; rotflmfao rotflmfao


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 14, 2007, 11:49:17 AM
Classic


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: AndrewT on May 14, 2007, 11:54:13 AM
This clip shows the excerpt from Panorama - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8hpHY9zDQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8hpHY9zDQ)

The link that Sark posted is from the Scientologists' own camera (note it's from the other side of the pair). They put it up on Youtube themselves in an attempt to discredit the BBC piece before it was aired. As you can see, it's very selectively edited.

You can see from the BBC footage what led up to the outburst. Scientologists are trained in psychological techniques which are designed to provoke angry emotional responses in others. This is used to trick people into joining them. They encourage the mark to bring up negative emotional responses (anger, sadness, loneliness etc) and then show this as evidence of deep-rooted psychological problems which only Scientology can help to cure.

South Park did a good bit showing exactly what Scientologists believe in - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmEO-oLHzA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmEO-oLHzA)

Note that the Scientologists keep this information secret until you've given them about $100,000 (because by then the mark has made such a financial investment that they are less likely to admit the ridiculousness of the story to themselves).


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Sark79 on May 14, 2007, 11:57:04 AM
Scientology is one of the fastest growing religions in certain parts of the US ,  I know very little about any kind of religion as I have only been to church a couple of times in my life,  it should be interesting to watch this tonight.  It is good to get the view of other people, even if I would never practice religion myself


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Sark79 on May 14, 2007, 12:01:39 PM
Sorry,  I didn't mean to post a biased view from the side of the Scientologists,  I clicked on the first link on youtube I came to,  I should have read it before posting and tried to select a link that took no side.  I have no view either way,  I know nothing about that particular religion and after I watch tonight's show I may have a better understanding.



Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: The Sweeney on May 14, 2007, 12:02:41 PM
What can I say?  Us Sweeney's don't take bad beats well.....


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: mex on May 14, 2007, 12:41:51 PM
Hmmmmmmm, isn't a religion more a cult? Don't you have to pay to worship, isn't that a cult


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Claw75 on May 14, 2007, 12:43:08 PM
Scientology is one of the fastest growing religions in certain parts of the US ,  I know very little about any kind of religion as I have only been to church a couple of times in my life,  it should be interesting to watch this tonight.  It is good to get the view of other people, even if I would never practice religion myself

Scientology is a cult rather than a religion, and doesn't, to my knowledge, involve going to church.  It is a fascinating subject though, and I'll be recording this to watch later.


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Claw75 on May 14, 2007, 12:44:12 PM
Hmmmmmmm, isn't a religion more a cult? Don't you have to pay to worship, isn't that a cult

great minds :)  Yes, it costs a fortune to do even the most basic 'courses' that will allow you to become a scientologist.


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: TightEnd on May 14, 2007, 12:48:29 PM
How much would I have to pay before I got to belt Tom Cruise?

only asking


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Claw75 on May 14, 2007, 12:54:14 PM
Wikipedia has an interesting article about the evil prince Xenu:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: danafish on May 14, 2007, 01:06:03 PM
Scientology does involve going to church. My friend Dan, who liked gently to poke fun at other people's beliefs, went to one of their services once (at the Goodge St branch, if anyone in the London area is interested) and he said it was the singular most bizarre and unusual religious service he'd ever been to.


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: AndrewT on May 14, 2007, 01:12:04 PM
Wikipedia has an interesting article about the evil prince Xenu:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

I love the fact that on the Wikipedia discussion page about this, they have had to put a 'This is not a joke' notice at the top because of all the editors who think the page is some kind of wind up.


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Bongo on May 14, 2007, 01:12:44 PM
L Ron Hubbard said "The best way to make a million dollars is to start a religion." before promptly proving it by founding the church of scientology...


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: AndrewT on May 14, 2007, 01:15:53 PM
Scientology does involve going to church. My friend Dan, who liked gently to poke fun at other people's beliefs, went to one of their services once (at the Goodge St branch, if anyone in the London area is interested) and he said it was the singular most bizarre and unusual religious service he'd ever been to.

If I won $12m in the WSOP I'd try and buy out the lease of the little fruit machine casino place next door to the $cientology centre and open up a centre for the society against bullshit (or similar).


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: AdamM on May 14, 2007, 01:16:36 PM


Scientology is a cult rather than a religion


you say tomato


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Sark79 on May 14, 2007, 02:29:17 PM
I got dragged along to a Spiritualist ( sp?) Church meeting once about five years ago.  I have never been so bored in my life, it lasted for about 3 hours and I only stayed out of respect for the other people there.  I am not taken in when the medium running it says  " I have a message for George from a person on the other side called Billy".  I know about ten people called George and Billy .  Immediately about twenty hands shot up in the audience and they are given the message .

 I found the messages were always the most crazy and ridiculous things such as  " Just to let you know that Billy likes the new wallpaper in the front living room "   wtf? .  If I ever come back as a spirit , I will tell my mates pin numbers for cash machines and information they can use to bribe high ranking politicians.  The thought of coming back to tell someone about wallpaper is an insane waste of time, I would rather spend it chatting to Jimi Hendrix or playing Senna at F1 2006 on the PS2


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Royal Flush on May 14, 2007, 02:44:39 PM
How much would I have to pay before I got to belt Tom Cruise?

only asking

I saw that happen once.


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Sark79 on May 14, 2007, 09:09:36 PM
Very odd bunch I thought after watching the Panorama show.  After seeing the TV show it is obvious why he lost his cool with that Tommy bloke,  he would make anyone react like that.   The word Cult is a sure way to wind up a Scientologist, I will have to remember that  :D.  It is hard to say whether they are a bunch of nutters or a legit religion,  I am certainly not qualified to make a judgement as I only believe in myself and follow no religion or belief system.  Interesting show though


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: sledge13 on May 14, 2007, 09:16:07 PM
Yeah was interesting, scary with them following the Panorama reporter pretty much 24 hours a day, and the exhibition with the holocaust was quite sick.


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: AndrewT on May 14, 2007, 09:21:24 PM
Very odd bunch I thought after watching the Panorama show.  After seeing the TV show it is obvious why he lost his cool with that Tommy bloke,  he would make anyone react like that.   The word Cult is a sure way to wind up a Scientologist, I will have to remember that  :D.  It is hard to say whether they are a bunch of nutters or a legit religion,  I am certainly not qualified to make a judgement as I only believe in myself and follow no religion or belief system.  Interesting show though

Studying the way that Tommy behaved was very interesting. Scientology is all about control, and someone like Tommy (who is high up) never loses control of the situation. He never lets the other person get a word in the conversation and just talks over the top of them. He doesn't lose his rag and literally wears the other person down.

For an intelligent person, this stonewalling is incredibly frustrating and leads to what we saw in the Nazi exhibition - the reporter losing his rag. This is their money shot, and then they just put this bit on their video. That's the whole reason Tommy always had a camera crew with him - he was waiting for the reporter to either lose his temper, or blurt out something which he could be sued for.

They are an evil, vicious organisation and should be driven out of the country.


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Sark79 on May 14, 2007, 09:26:41 PM
Yea , he remained very calm.  I was surprised that Sweeney never thumped him to be honest .  I was amazed the efforts they went to to dish dirt on the guy with the 'Cult Watch' sign.  lol,  cult watch .


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Indestructable on May 14, 2007, 09:29:17 PM
Don't know why he apologised at losing his temper, i would have wacked him.


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: The_nun on May 14, 2007, 09:31:49 PM
Don't know why he apologised at losing his temper, i would have wked him.
   edited it is b4 watershed...shame on you


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Indestructable on May 14, 2007, 09:52:56 PM
There is far worse on Eastenders or so Kev tells me.
 ;)


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: ZZZZZZZROPE on May 14, 2007, 11:03:31 PM
will this program b on again?


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Sark79 on May 14, 2007, 11:08:42 PM
will this program b on again?



I am not sure,  check on bbc late at night throughout the week or on bbc3 / bbc 4  .  You might be able to get a repeat with subtitles on at some point this week late on


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: ZZZZZZZROPE on May 14, 2007, 11:09:44 PM
kool ta :)


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: AndrewT on May 15, 2007, 10:13:12 AM
You can watch it on the BBC website for the next week.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/programmes/panorama/default.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/programmes/panorama/default.stm)


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: matt674 on May 15, 2007, 10:30:02 AM
Some people will do anything to get exposure on tv.............. ::)


Title: Re: This is stress
Post by: Royal Flush on May 15, 2007, 05:38:50 PM
A very poor programme i thought, he at no point actually made any inroads into Scientology, he made a documentary about how Scientology were making a documentary about him.....