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Last night playing in the sportsman i value bet the 5k pot[tournament i hasten!]holding a straight[using 4 community cards]to the tune of 1100,i am heads up in this pot and my opponent rerases to 2500,i was not paying attention and i  didnt hear or see him rerase i thought he had just called and i therefore exposed my cards expecting a showdown.What is the correct ruling please?                                                                                                                                                         

As long as your cards didn't hit the muck and you didn't say fold, I think they are still alive. From what I understand, you are allowed to expose your cards heads up, so I think you were still entitled to call or raise. However, as we know, the rules vary across the country.

I would have to say that you have mucked by exposing your cards, pot awarded to oppo. hr raised you, you turn over your cards, it would seem to all that you were passing. unfortunate situation but players responsibility to pay attention is key here.

I thought your cards are still live but you can now only call bets and not raise, (this is as long as your cards havent touched the muck).

As a slight aside - if the ruling was that the hand was still live - what would happen if the other player saw your exposed hand and then exposed his (believing the hand was over)? 

Would that change things?

exactly as I understand it.

Dont complicate issues!

But I believe that it wouldn't make much difference except to your decision on whether or not to call him now as you cannot raise anyway.

Me three.

Me four

awww how sweet - and did you have a party with lots of jelly and ice cream? Did all your other 4 year old friends come too?

He means me IQ of 4 but he forgot a few words

This head-up thought don't forget, in many cardrooms you are entitled to reveal your cards in order to gauge a reaction as long as there is only one other person in the hand.

definately cant raise, something similair happened HU on the WPT recently. This is another grey area easily removed, its the players responsibility to watch the action or ask the dealer to confirm action, if you show your hand out of turn your hand should be dead.

Thanks for the replys everyone,
 the Td was angeling towards declaring my hand  dead but was nt 100 percent sure and  was happy for me to call the raise and then split the pot[oppo had the same hand]he  was happy to make this decision because 6 of the other players on the table were so sure that my hand was still live.
 Bring on the time when there is one set of rules.

In the situation as described, call or pass.  Even in Snoop's heads-up you can expose scenario, I'm still NOT allowing a raise as I would rule there is clearly a difference between exposing card/s to obtain a read and exposing one's hand thinking the hand is over.

Here's one for you.  It's bubble time in a £1500 satellite and two players all in preflop, cards on backs showing AK v 66.  BEFORE dealing community cards young inexperienced dealer decides to pull players hands closer to her.  In doing so, the 6's clip the muck.  Dealer then deals out hand and AK fails to improve.  On completion of the hand Mr AK announces, "those 6's are dead, they touched the muck."

Please rule.....

For exposing one's hand the TDA Rule 31 applies:

A player who exposes his cards with action pending may incur a penalty, but will not have a dead hand.  The penalty will begin at the end of the hand.

Also Rule 1

Floor people are to consider the best interest of the game and fairness as the top priority in the decision-making process.  Unusual circumstances can on occasion dictate that decisions in the interest of fairness take priority over the technical rules.  The floor person’s decision is final.

As I see it, you would be allowed to call or raise as your hand is live. However, the TD may only allow a call for the sake of fairness,

For the second example...Rule 29 applies.

Dealers cannot kill a winning hand that was tabled and was obviously the winning hand.  Players are encouraged to assist in reading tabled hands if it appears that an error is about to be made.

Tell AK boy to take a flying leap!

well, it depends where you are playing...

car park the s o b .

LOL, just what i  had going through my head!

behave Rodders!

Give the angle-shooter a slap....

Lol, yeah I told him to go forth and multiply.  So he went to the GM who told him much the same, though probably in a nicer manner.

Up Yours!


GFY!

I like it when someone raises, like 1500, and the dealer spins in my direction, points at me, and says '1500 to play'.
Was in a similar situation with a drunk dealer, the sb mumbled a small raise, i saw a call, raised a bit, dealer went nuts at me for not raising the right amount.
Dealers should have responsibility for making these actions clear, room otherwise for angle shooters to go 'pmmbpff gays tritundered' and put some chips in, knowing you may not notice if they're 4 seats away and to your side.

IN Grosvenor's your hand would be dead because you have shown your cards with action still to happen. It does not make any difference if you are head's up or first hand of a mtt.

If you happen to expose one hole card accidently then you have the option to call or pass only and cannot reraise on theat street.

The difference is if it was accidental or not.

When I accidently flipped both my hole cards after the flop at Walsall recently, the ruling was I could check/call to the river but not raise.

I know but phat's post started off by saying the OP's hand (which was an accidental exposure of both hole cards) would be ruled dead. His last two sentences then just introduced ambiguity about one card and/or intent.

I just wanted to provide a counter example to his first sentence.

<< agree with Paullie_D above^. fairness 2 the game above black&white rules. bit like offsides, or if a team should be deducted points for fielding illegible players!!??