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« on: May 22, 2007, 02:01:29 PM »

Last night playing in the sportsman i value bet the 5k pot[tournament i hasten!]holding a straight[using 4 community cards]to the tune of 1100,i am heads up in this pot and my opponent rerases to 2500,i was not paying attention and i  didnt hear or see him rerase i thought he had just called and i therefore exposed my cards expecting a showdown.What is the correct ruling please?                                                                                                                                                         
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2007, 02:05:43 PM »

As long as your cards didn't hit the muck and you didn't say fold, I think they are still alive. From what I understand, you are allowed to expose your cards heads up, so I think you were still entitled to call or raise. However, as we know, the rules vary across the country.
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2007, 02:06:47 PM »

I would have to say that you have mucked by exposing your cards, pot awarded to oppo. hr raised you, you turn over your cards, it would seem to all that you were passing. unfortunate situation but players responsibility to pay attention is key here.
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2007, 02:16:41 PM »

I thought your cards are still live but you can now only call bets and not raise, (this is as long as your cards havent touched the muck).
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2007, 02:21:58 PM »

As a slight aside - if the ruling was that the hand was still live - what would happen if the other player saw your exposed hand and then exposed his (believing the hand was over)? 

Would that change things?
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2007, 02:27:51 PM »

I thought your cards are still live but you can now only call bets and not raise, (this is as long as your cards havent touched the muck).


exactly as I understand it.
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2007, 02:32:52 PM »

As a slight aside - if the ruling was that the hand was still live - what would happen if the other player saw your exposed hand and then exposed his (believing the hand was over)? 

Would that change things?

Dont complicate issues!

But I believe that it wouldn't make much difference except to your decision on whether or not to call him now as you cannot raise anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2007, 02:33:41 PM »

I thought your cards are still live but you can now only call bets and not raise, (this is as long as your cards havent touched the muck).

exactly as I understand it.

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2007, 02:42:21 PM »

I thought your cards are still live but you can now only call bets and not raise, (this is as long as your cards havent touched the muck).

exactly as I understand it.

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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2007, 02:47:19 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2007, 03:02:24 PM »

He means me IQ of 4 but he forgot a few words
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2007, 03:11:52 PM »

I thought your cards are still live but you can now only call bets and not raise, (this is as long as your cards havent touched the muck).

exactly as I understand it.

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This head-up thought don't forget, in many cardrooms you are entitled to reveal your cards in order to gauge a reaction as long as there is only one other person in the hand.
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2007, 03:45:49 PM »

definately cant raise, something similair happened HU on the WPT recently. This is another grey area easily removed, its the players responsibility to watch the action or ask the dealer to confirm action, if you show your hand out of turn your hand should be dead.
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2007, 04:22:44 PM »

Thanks for the replys everyone,
 the was angeling towards declaring my hand  dead but was nt 100 percent sure and  was happy for me to call the raise and then split the pot[oppo had the same hand]he  was happy to make this decision because 6 of the other players on the table were so sure that my hand was still live.
 Bring on the time when there is one set of rules.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2007, 04:33:08 PM »

In the situation as described, call or pass.  Even in Snoop's heads-up you can expose scenario, I'm still NOT allowing a raise as I would rule there is clearly a difference between exposing card/s to obtain a read and exposing one's hand thinking the hand is over.

Here's one for you.  It's bubble time in a £1500 satellite and two players all in preflop, cards on backs showing AK v 66.  BEFORE dealing community cards young inexperienced dealer decides to pull players hands closer to her.  In doing so, the 6's clip the muck.  Dealer then deals out hand and AK fails to improve.  On completion of the hand Mr AK announces, "those 6's are dead, they touched the muck."

Please rule.....
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