Title: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 04:53:36 PM After last nights rebuy, in which the tourny was set up to allow only 2 rebuys, It has been pointed out that the next league rebuy has the same format.
Personally, now that we are aware that it is MAX 2 rebuys and an add on, I am minded to leave it as this. The reason being, it allows everyone to take part and know the cost implications before hand. Thoughts please ? Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Acidmouse on June 08, 2007, 04:54:10 PM I will participate in future rebuy events now i know this.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Graham C on June 08, 2007, 04:57:06 PM Two maximum is nice, allows a bit of crazy all in time for those that like it and also acts as a buffer for those that don't want to donate a fortune.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: matt674 on June 08, 2007, 04:57:15 PM Thoughts please ? You'll still throw it all in Kev with 7-3 o/s on a Q-K-3 board during the first hour!!! ;) Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: matt674 on June 08, 2007, 04:58:14 PM oh and can we change it so flushy has unlimited rebuys for the benefit of everyone else at his table?
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Horneris on June 08, 2007, 04:58:33 PM Dont like it tbh, entered last nights plannin to rebuy as many times as needed to get a stack, and had no idea bout the max of 2, hence my blind all ins 1st 2 hands. Luckily i won both.
Enjoying the league, but you should be able to rebuy as much as you like to boost prizepool and deepen stacks, sorry Acid. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Claw75 on June 08, 2007, 04:59:21 PM yep - sounds fair enough. Could we perhaps have one towards the end of the league that's unlimited rebuys though? Maybe drop it to $3?
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: kinboshi on June 08, 2007, 05:03:12 PM Dont like it tbh, entered last nights plannin to rebuy as many times as needed to get a stack, and had no idea bout the max of 2, hence my blind all ins 1st 2 hands. Luckily i won both. That wasn't the question though was it? ;nanana; Quote Enjoying the league, but you should be able to rebuy as much as you like to boost prizepool and deepen stacks, sorry Acid. Rebuys, schmebuys. Learn to play poker and you'll be fine. ;D Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 05:04:15 PM The league events are advertised and set in stone im affraid, so there wont be any amendments to the advertised schedule.
Horneris, I get your point, however the league comps are intended to be all inclusive and people on a limited bankroll have been put off by the thought of mugs like me shoving it in everyhand trying to get a stack ... if people are aware that maximum spend can be accounted for, i think it will boost numbers. I can change the rebuy structure, but am loathe too. although I will go with the majority view. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: kinboshi on June 08, 2007, 05:07:06 PM I think you should do whatever Horneris doesn't want.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Sheriff Fatman on June 08, 2007, 05:12:08 PM The rebuy-fests in the last league were better IMO, especially in Omaha where the outdraws are far more frequent.
Assuming that you got through the rebuy stage of these there were then so many chips in play that the freezeout stage became well structured. Without the unlimited rebuys, I doubt you'll get the same benefit this time around. Also, weren't the old rebuy events $3 buy-in, rather than $5? If so then I think a $3 unlimited rebuy is far better than a $5 capped rebuy event. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: AndrewT on June 08, 2007, 05:16:25 PM I think it's better that someone can't 'buy league points' by getting all Negreanuesque in a rebuy event. Two max plus an add-on is fine.
EDIT: That's a bit silly actually - i haven't thought that through - you can't 'buy' the points. I do think that a limit helps people plan better in what is, after all, a social game. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: booder on June 08, 2007, 05:17:29 PM flibbertygibbert
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: The_nun on June 08, 2007, 05:20:04 PM well from a non yet participant's point of view ....as i don't do omaha...yetttttttttt.........i think too if it is a league... capped is better for everone's pkt...plus as Andrew says one should not be able to buy points..
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: totalise on June 08, 2007, 05:21:08 PM Quote Thoughts please ? seems silly.. its not like they are obligated to rebuy just because they are allowed to. Let them make up their own budget and let the gamblers gamb0000l Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: The Baron on June 08, 2007, 05:22:44 PM yep - sounds fair enough. Could we perhaps have one towards the end of the league that's unlimited rebuys though? Maybe drop it to $3? That way Flushy can keep his rebuys to under $100! (Just) Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: tikay on June 08, 2007, 05:59:18 PM I'd play it however it was set up Kev, they are such great fun, the banter last night was priceless. You have done a great job there, well done. Where did you finish, btw, I barely saw you in the Tourney as I blazed my victory trail. To 5th. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: RioRodent on June 08, 2007, 06:10:55 PM Well, I'm with the unlimited supporters for Omaha (but then I'm not that good at it! ;carlocitrone; or stud... ;carlocitrone; or razz... ;carlocitrone; or hold 'em!!!)
But, if I'm home - and remember - I'll play Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Teacake on June 08, 2007, 06:12:59 PM The best Blonde rebuy comp I've played was the $1 unlimited rebuy comp to get a %age of Kev in Singapore.
The outdraws were sick in the rebuy but there were so many chips in play for the freezeout it was great. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: kvnstv on June 08, 2007, 06:24:29 PM I only intended to play the freeze outs and was not going to play until I saw the two rebuy and add on limit. Its a personal preference of mine to not play many rebuys and I would not play without the limit. Again a personal opinion is that within a league structure it makes sense that bank roll factors should not be a major influecing factor and the limit allows players to approach the whole league knowing maximum spend from the off.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: kinboshi on June 08, 2007, 06:30:03 PM How about the majority staying as they are, and the introduction of a few unlimited ones for those who have the bankroll, the gamble, and can I sit to their left?
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 08, 2007, 06:37:41 PM The league events are advertised and set in stone im affraid, so there wont be any amendments to the advertised schedule. Were the advertised as limited rebuys? I didn't play the first one but i sure as hell won't be playing any if they are not actual rebuy tournaments. How about the majority staying as they are, and the introduction of a few unlimited ones for those who have the bankroll, the gamble, and can I sit to their left? How about we just give the nits some freezeouts.....oh wait there already are freezeouts. The unlimited PLO rebuys on tribeca player super deep making for the best games in the league, for a group of players who constantly complain about short stacks i cant imagine anything better than the likes of myself and Totalise going mad. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 06:44:51 PM Play a few blonde comps flushy, that way your opinion will carry more weight.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: booder on June 08, 2007, 06:48:56 PM Play a few blonde comps flushy, that way your opinion will carry more weight. i think he's carrying enough weight already Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 06:50:17 PM i will be having to give him all my old clothes soon ;)
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: booder on June 08, 2007, 06:51:20 PM i will be having to give him all Blue Squares old clothes soon ;) FYP Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 06:54:20 PM LMAO ... very good Colonel.
Although I am mostly wearing blonde apparel these days ;) .... and with the shop being almost ready to open, flushy can treat himself to some gear that fits him.... I believe we are going to carry a range that doesnt need ironing :) Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 08, 2007, 08:14:46 PM Play a few blonde comps flushy, that way your opinion will carry more weight. If the blonde comps were better i would play them, the fact i don't play them should surely carry more weight. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: totalise on June 08, 2007, 08:15:58 PM Play a few blonde comps flushy, that way your opinion will carry more weight. If the blonde comps were better i would play them, the fact i don't play them should surely carry more weight. better how Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 08, 2007, 08:30:36 PM Play a few blonde comps flushy, that way your opinion will carry more weight. If the blonde comps were better i would play them, the fact i don't play them should surely carry more weight. better how Having a wider range of buyins would be a start Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 08:33:50 PM we have had a variety of entry fees ranging from freerolls to $50 comps with a gtd prizepool ... you havent played any.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 08, 2007, 08:36:22 PM Tue 5th Jun -- $10 NLH F/O
Thu 7th Jun -- $5 PLO R/B Mon 11th Jun -- 5 NLH R/B Wed 13th Jun -- $10 NLH F/O Sun 17th Jun -- $10 NLH F/O Tue 19th Jun -- $5 PLO R/B Thu 21st Jun -- $10 NLH F/O Mon 25th Jun -- $10 PLO F/O Wed 27th Jun -- $5 NLH R/B Sat 30th Jun -- $20 NLH F/O Can you point to the $50 tournament please! Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 08:37:44 PM we had 2 last month.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 08, 2007, 09:01:04 PM we had 2 last month. I didn't even know there was a league last month! I was busy most of last month so wouldn't have been able to play anyway. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Graham C on June 08, 2007, 09:16:05 PM It wasn't a league event.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 09:29:28 PM we have also had the Sunday Sizzlers a while back, $50 comps... you didnt play them either. You commented on a few threads about them though.
What you have to remember flushy is that its not all about prize money for most of the people that play our events, its all about a game with mates, having a crack, trying to get some bragging rights, and above all supporting the site where we all spend so much time. would be nice to see you in a few league events ..... if you can bring yourself down to our level that is. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 08, 2007, 09:46:39 PM we have also had the Sunday Sizzlers a while back, $50 comps... you didnt play them either. You commented on a few threads about them though. Again i wasn't aware they made up part of the league. What you have to remember flushy is that its not all about prize money for most of the people that play our events, its all about a game with mates, having a crack, trying to get some bragging rights, and above all supporting the site where we all spend so much time. Why ask for feedback then just argue with people who give you it? would be nice to see you in a few league events ..... if you can bring yourself down to our level that is. Unfortunately i can't afford too, i play for a living and $5 comps are hard to live off! Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 10:10:01 PM The league events are advertised and set in stone im affraid, so there wont be any amendments to the advertised schedule. Were the advertised as limited rebuys? I didn't play the first one but i sure as hell won't be playing any if they are not actual rebuy tournaments. How about the majority staying as they are, and the introduction of a few unlimited ones for those who have the bankroll, the gamble, and can I sit to their left? How about we just give the nits some freezeouts.....oh wait there already are freezeouts. The unlimited PLO rebuys on tribeca player super deep making for the best games in the league, for a group of players who constantly complain about short stacks i cant imagine anything better than the likes of myself and Totalise going mad. Was that feedback ? or was it just your way of displaying a superior attitude. Like I said, it would be nice for someone who has over 12,000 posts to his name to do a bit more to support the place that keeps him coming back by playing a few $5 comps with us peasants. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: technolog on June 08, 2007, 10:10:19 PM Ladies & Gentlemen, I give you my first and long awaited-
;popcorn; Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: AndrewT on June 08, 2007, 10:14:00 PM Like I said, it would be nice for someone who has over 12,000 posts to his name to do a bit more to support the place that keeps him coming back by playing a few $5 comps with us peasants. To be fair Flushy is playing the $300+$20 and $50+$5 rebuy on Blonde tonight, from which Blonde make more than if he played in the comps with the $1 fee. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 10:14:46 PM Like I said, it would be nice for someone who has over 12,000 posts to his name to do a bit more to support the place that keeps him coming back by playing a few $5 comps with us peasants. To be fair Flushy is playing the $300+$20 and $50+$5 rebuy on Blonde tonight, from which Blonde make more than if he played in the comps with the $1 fee. errrrrrrrm no he isnt. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 08, 2007, 10:18:59 PM Like I said, it would be nice for someone who has over 12,000 posts to his name to do a bit more to support the place that keeps him coming back by playing a few $5 comps with us peasants. To be fair Flushy is playing the $300+$20 and $50+$5 rebuy on Blonde tonight, from which Blonde make more than if he played in the comps with the $1 fee. I play through Blue Square where when i make requests i don't get responded to like this! Maybe if blonde improved it's CS then more people would migrate. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: AndrewT on June 08, 2007, 10:19:49 PM Like I said, it would be nice for someone who has over 12,000 posts to his name to do a bit more to support the place that keeps him coming back by playing a few $5 comps with us peasants. To be fair Flushy is playing the $300+$20 and $50+$5 rebuy on Blonde tonight, from which Blonde make more than if he played in the comps with the $1 fee. I play through Blue Square where when i make requests i don't get responded to like this! Maybe if blonde improved it's CS then more people would migrate. I thought PresidentPalmer was your Blonde account. My mistake. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 08, 2007, 10:20:20 PM Like I said, it would be nice for someone who has over 12,000 posts to his name to do a bit more to support the place that keeps him coming back I would if blonde layed on some decent comps during the league. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 10:23:02 PM Nicely turned around Flushy ... good effort.
Fact is, you have never had any bad CS from blonde have you ? Jack Bauer was last seen on the blonde cardroom on March 14th Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 08, 2007, 10:27:33 PM I would consider talking to you on matters surrounding the blonde cardroom CS.....
Not to mention how long it took to get my account across from Tribeca! Fact is, you have never had any bad CS from blonde have you ? Jack Bauer was last seen on the blonde cardroom on March 14th Like i say actually take on board some of the feedback you get and supply a wider range of tournaments and i will play. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 08, 2007, 10:31:42 PM It would be nice in an ideal world to put on an event that would please everyone, alas that will never happen, so therefore it is best practise to put on events that the majority want.
I think you will find that you are very much in the minority that have a problem with blonde Customer Support, any problems are dealt with swiftly and im sure there are many blondes that can confirm this. Im happy to leave it there. I think I have made my point. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 08, 2007, 10:35:57 PM It would be nice in an ideal world to put on an event that would please everyone, alas that will never happen, so therefore it is best practise to put on events that the majority want. How about a range of tournaments......i am not asking for every blonde comp to be a $500 freezeout..... I think you will find that you are very much in the minority that have a problem with blonde Customer Support, any problems are dealt with swiftly and im sure there are many blondes that can confirm this. I don't have a 'problem' with it, i just find blue square CS to be superior. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Bongo on June 09, 2007, 12:11:43 AM It would be nice in an ideal world to put on an event that would please everyone, alas that will never happen, so therefore it is best practise to put on events that the majority want. How about a range of tournaments......i am not asking for every blonde comp to be a $500 freezeout..... Because it would be easy for the people who play the higher buyin events to start playing the lower buyin events to boost some points but not the other way round, which would be unfair. It's all a moot point anyway, I have to work for a living so can't play any of the league events. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Acidmouse on June 09, 2007, 12:21:42 AM It would be sad if the league had events that were out of reach for the normal Blonde forum users.
People have to remember most blonde forum users play for fun, and thats what the league should be all about. To suggest much higher entry tourneys for the league is frankly absurd and missing the point. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: ifm on June 09, 2007, 12:24:48 AM The league events are advertised and set in stone im affraid, so there wont be any amendments to the advertised schedule. Horneris, I get your point, however the league comps are intended to be all inclusive and people on a limited bankroll have been put off by the thought of mugs like me shoving it in everyhand trying to get a stack ... if people are aware that maximum spend can be accounted for, i think it will boost numbers. I can change the rebuy structure, but am loathe too. although I will go with the majority view. Without being pedantic or anything isn't a rebuy an erm rebuy? If folks have a budget then they can still stick to it no? Folks should be free to do what they want or they should all be freezeouts....... p.s, page 1 is as far as i got. p.p.s. i will play the next weeks Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 09, 2007, 12:30:11 AM Yes mate a rebuy is a rebuy, whether you have 100 rebuys or 2 ... its still a rebuy.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Irishdenis on June 09, 2007, 12:31:59 AM Flushy I hope you take my comments with good intentions. Kev has for a number of months put on tournaments of various size. At the moment it is believed that we would not get a good turn out for a Blonde only $300 or $500 event. In fact our $50 with a guarantee did not on two occasions make the numbers to cover the costs.We put a thread on the forum asking players what they wanted to see on the site. The response was an affordable league which would not exclude anyone.
Kev in my opinion responding to your posts in the manner he is because he is trying to do the best for the community. I would hope you can understand that. We would love you to play some of the events you are happy with network wide on Blonde. It would show you are in fact supporting the site. I hope this makes sense to you. T Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: ifm on June 09, 2007, 12:32:42 AM not true i believe if you walk into any cardroom in the country and play a rebuy they are not limited by amount only by time.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Bongo on June 09, 2007, 12:38:05 AM not true i believe if you walk into any cardroom in the country and play a rebuy they are not limited by amount only by time. The last time I went to Gala Notts 3 of their weekly competitions were limited rebuys. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: ifm on June 09, 2007, 12:41:26 AM not true i believe if you walk into any cardroom in the country and play a rebuy they are not limited by amount only by time. The last time I went to Gala Notts 3 of their weekly competitions were limited rebuys. Were they described as such?? Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: totalise on June 09, 2007, 12:43:06 AM What are the arguments against playing rebuy tourneys against nutters? I know Kev said people dont like it, but no reasons why heres some arguments why you should like it: a) they will bloat the prize pool enormously b)they are giving the rest of the table a fantastic change to accumulate a big stack c) they probably dont care too much about winning the tourney, and once the rebuy period is over they will likely chunk off their chips somewhere to play something else logical reasons why people dont like it would be welcomed! Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: ifm on June 09, 2007, 12:44:17 AM Don't answer, from the blonde homepage:-
Mondays: (8.30pm) £30 PLH R/B, 90 mins Tuesdays: (7.30pm) £10 NLH 3xR/B, 60 mins Wednesdays: (7.30pm) £20 NLH 2xR/B, 75 mins Thursdays: (8.30pm) £50 NLH 2xR/B, 75 mins Fridays: (8.30pm) £20 NLH R/B, 90 mins Sundays: (2.30pm) £30 NLH F/O & (8.30pm) £50 PLH R/B Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 09, 2007, 12:51:25 AM I suppose the main answer would be bankroll restraints, if you know that someone on your table is gambling all the time, you are fearful of playing because you don't have the money to compete.
the games are supposed to be fun and all inclusive, not a dick measuring contest to see who has the biggest bankroll. I personally can see both sides of the coin, the tourneys when requested were for 2 levels of rebuys and an add on ... this got loaded wrong somewhere along the line and wasn't picked up on until the comp started, I take responsibility for that and i apologise. But now that it has happened, I kind of like the concept of limited rebuys in league comps. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: KingPoker on June 09, 2007, 01:36:57 AM I had hoped to steamroll the league but alas its not to be, i have had commtments for the first 2 league tourneys so have yet to be able to give my feedback on what it is like to actually play in them but...
I have no problem whatsoever with the unlimited rebuy comments, as the obvious main benefit has been pointed out already and that is it boosts the prizepool fairly significantly. As a tag i welcome all the lags into these games as it gives me the best possible chances to go in % wise with the hand and build my stack for the f/o stage. Thats how i do it in live games so dont quite see why the rebuys should be capped (i understand it was a mix up in the correspondance this time as it was meant to be r/b's for 2 levels) but to think every rebuy tourney should be capped is more than a bit silly to me. People who have a smaller b/r for which i am certainly one doesnt mean im gonna rebuy 10/15/20 times just coz its unlimited, i know before hand what my limit will be and dont need somebody else to pull on the reigns for me. So although i understand it was a administrative mistake this time but there is no need for limited rebuy tourneys should blonde host any in the near future. Just one fish's opinion anyhow.... Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 09, 2007, 01:47:55 AM Just as a reminder, we intended to have 2 10 minute levels of rebuys, in PLO you would struggle to have 2 rebuys in the timescale, in fact no one went out in the first 2 levels, the first casualty of the 2 rebuy rule went out on the 3rd level ... so did I shortly after him LOL .
so as you can see it didnt actually make a great deal of difference. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: KingPoker on June 09, 2007, 01:50:43 AM Just as a reminder, we intended to have 2 10 minute levels of rebuys, in PLO you would struggle to have 2 rebuys in the timescale, in fact no one went out in the first 2 levels, the first casualty of the 2 rebuy rule went out on the 3rd level ... so did I shortly after him LOL . so as you can see it didnt actually make a great deal of difference. as i said kev mate, i didnt play in them so cant comment on the actual effect it had on the game but dont like the idea of limit rebuys, may aswell call it a triple chance f/o Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: KeithyB on June 09, 2007, 02:23:55 AM Unlimited rebuys irritate me as it leads to players just feeling compelled to gamble to build up a big stack. This is a legitimate tactic given the format but I can't see how anyone can deny it is just reducing the skill element and increasing the luck factor involved in winning a tourny.
This reduction in the skill factor is why I don't like unlimited rebuys. It's not particularly about the rebuy costs for me in a $5 tourny although Blonde tourny's should never be set at a level that makes low buyin players vulnerable or uncomfortable just because someone wants to throw a huge bankroll at a little tourny in an attempt to buy it rather than outplay it. This would likely happen if it were say, a $10 unlimited rebuy. A further luck factor needed in rebuy tournys is that your chances of winning are affected by which table you happen to be drawn at. It doesn't matter whether you want to gamble or whether you wish to play solidly trying to pick off the gamblers, if you're on the wrong table. If noone else at your table is playing ball then you will undoubtably end up the rebuy period at a big disadvantage versus the huge stacks that have been obtained on another table where four or five are using rebuys to build bigger stacks. Personally I'd leave the rebuys as they are with a maximum of 2 plus an add on option. As Graham mentioned this gives some option for gambling and some protection against early elimination whilst also letting all entrants know exactly the maximum cash they can blow in the tourny. An important point to bear in mind that this is pot limit omaha not NL Holdem and so most of the action will occur post flop which means you should need less of a safety net rebuy protection against outdraws. For me a 2 rebuy/1 addon tourny involves more ability and less luck to win than an unlimited rebuy one. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 09, 2007, 06:30:43 AM Unlimited rebuys irritate me as it leads to players just feeling compelled to gamble to build up a big stack. This is a legitimate tactic given the format but I can't see how anyone can deny it is just reducing the skill element and increasing the luck factor involved in winning a tourny. This reduction in the skill factor is why I don't like unlimited rebuys. It's not particularly about the rebuy costs for me in a $5 tourny although Blonde tourny's should never be set at a level that makes low buyin players vulnerable or uncomfortable just because someone wants to throw a huge bankroll at a little tourny in an attempt to buy it rather than outplay it. This would likely happen if it were say, a $10 unlimited rebuy. A further luck factor needed in rebuy tournys is that your chances of winning are affected by which table you happen to be drawn at. It doesn't matter whether you want to gamble or whether you wish to play solidly trying to pick off the gamblers, if you're on the wrong table. If noone else at your table is playing ball then you will undoubtably end up the rebuy period at a big disadvantage versus the huge stacks that have been obtained on another table where four or five are using rebuys to build bigger stacks. Personally I'd leave the rebuys as they are with a maximum of 2 plus an add on option. As Graham mentioned this gives some option for gambling and some protection against early elimination whilst also letting all entrants know exactly the maximum cash they can blow in the tourny. An important point to bear in mind that this is pot limit omaha not NL Holdem and so most of the action will occur post flop which means you should need less of a safety net rebuy protection against outdraws. For me a 2 rebuy/1 addon tourny involves more ability and less luck to win than an unlimited rebuy one. How is it less skill full, the play is a lot deeper in the unlimited rebuys, meaning you have to have much better post flop play later in the tournament. As for getting a lucky draw, well just gamble a couple of times on the tightest table and i guarantee you will loosen it right up! Dennis i know the point which is being made, my quest was not for every event to be a $200 fo, but i can't see the harm in say the last event in the league being a $50 FO, anybody who can afford a computer to play poker on can afford to play a one off $50 comp..... Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: JungleCat03 on June 09, 2007, 07:38:01 AM Arguments for unlimited rebuys...
a) they will bloat the prize pool enormously b)they are giving the rest of the table a fantastic change to accumulate a big stack c) they probably dont care too much about winning the tourney, and once the rebuy period is over they will likely chunk off their chips somewhere to play something else ...pretty much covers it. Arguments against unlimited rebuys... Greater probablity flushy is in the latter stages of the comp resulting in an increased likelihood the chat box will be replete with references to gucci handbags, leather trousers and discussion of which member of the village people had the pertest tushy. I don't really know why the kipper is shit stirring on this issue. The blonde comps are geared towards people having a laugh not towards those who play professionally. Having smaller buyins reflects that and probably encourages peeps to treat it more as an opportunity to rib each other than have to knuckle down and play seriously as they would with more wonga on the line. I personally hate playing against mates when there's meaningful amounts of cash in play. Doubt my opinion carries much weight seeing as I don't play the comps either (doesn't really fit in with my hours of play) but well, you asked for it. Well you didn't but you got it anyway. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Geo the Sarge on June 09, 2007, 08:17:09 AM Unlimited rebuys irritate me as it leads to players just feeling compelled to gamble to build up a big stack. This is a legitimate tactic given the format but I can't see how anyone can deny it is just reducing the skill element and increasing the luck factor involved in winning a tourny. This reduction in the skill factor is why I don't like unlimited rebuys. It's not particularly about the rebuy costs for me in a $5 tourny although Blonde tourny's should never be set at a level that makes low buyin players vulnerable or uncomfortable just because someone wants to throw a huge bankroll at a little tourny in an attempt to buy it rather than outplay it. This would likely happen if it were say, a $10 unlimited rebuy. A further luck factor needed in rebuy tournys is that your chances of winning are affected by which table you happen to be drawn at. It doesn't matter whether you want to gamble or whether you wish to play solidly trying to pick off the gamblers, if you're on the wrong table. If noone else at your table is playing ball then you will undoubtably end up the rebuy period at a big disadvantage versus the huge stacks that have been obtained on another table where four or five are using rebuys to build bigger stacks. Personally I'd leave the rebuys as they are with a maximum of 2 plus an add on option. As Graham mentioned this gives some option for gambling and some protection against early elimination whilst also letting all entrants know exactly the maximum cash they can blow in the tourny. An important point to bear in mind that this is pot limit omaha not NL Holdem and so most of the action will occur post flop which means you should need less of a safety net rebuy protection against outdraws. For me a 2 rebuy/1 addon tourny involves more ability and less luck to win than an unlimited rebuy one. How is it less skill full, the play is a lot deeper in the unlimited rebuys, meaning you have to have much better post flop play later in the tournament. As for getting a lucky draw, well just gamble a couple of times on the tightest table and i guarantee you will loosen it right up! Dennis i know the point which is being made, my quest was not for every event to be a $200 fo, but i can't see the harm in say the last event in the league being a $50 FO, anybody who can afford a computer to play poker on can afford to play a one off $50 comp..... Sorry James and don't mean to upset however, This is nonsense. One of the reasons for the structure is to accomodate the majority who responded to Kev's request for ideas. The outcome of which was for an affordable structure for all which we could all enjoy without the risk of losing too much. You are now asking for unlimited rebuys and an additional $50 final tourney. I for one would be unlikley to be able to participate for the full league if this was the case. Geo. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: tikay on June 09, 2007, 12:06:36 PM I've sat & read this & to be honest, it'd be better if I kept quiet, but it saddens me to see Kev & the Flushster having a spat about blonde, because they are big mates.
So I'm gonna stick my oar in - then go offline all weekend.... Picking out points in no particular order, 1) Rebuys can be more skilful. Maybe. That's an opinion, & subjective. 2) Rebuys are unfair. Fact. The better-heeled have a better chance. Fact. In "Live" Poker, Rebuys killed Omaha Tournaments. Jac Arama & Marcel Luske & Co sat on my table in a £250 Omaha Rebuy at The Vic a few years back, each had £2,500 on the table, ostentatiously, & with no shame. (Negraneu did a similar thing in a WSOP Event, too.) They went all-in blind every hand for the first level. Thats "fair"? I think not. Omaha Rebuys in Festivals died because of that. These days, I rarely play Rebuys for that very reason - in the rebuy period, the big dicks use money not skill to build a stack, whereas those that cant afford it are left gawping, & unable to compete. To imagine blonde going that route, alienating our player base, is unthinkable. 3) Rebuys are fine, & fun, but they just don't suit the blonde ethos. I hope Kev, who's decision it is, sticks to low buy-in Freezeoits & Limited Rebuys, two maximum. He has to strike a balance, to suit as many blondes as he can, & if that means Freezeouts, so be it. 4) The blonde League Comps are not about money, or "big dicks", that is missing the point of them. Even for blonde they are not cost-effective, taking into account the time Kev spends administering them. But they are huge fun, thery help bond our Community & I'd not miss any of them, diary permitting. . 5) Personally, having been lucky in life, I'd love blonde to hold $50 & $100 & $200 comps more often, I'd play them all. But we've had a few, & they have not been well supported. I'm gonna start a new Thread, asking for names for a bigger buy-in blonde Tourney, seperate to the League, & I hope we get a decent field. But if only me & Flushy sign up, Fine, we'll play Heads Up. How can you refuse THAT Flushy? 6) kev's Customer Support on behalf of blonde is legendary, I have to make that point, as it's been suggested otherwise. Every qustion, query, request, complaint, is dealt with efficiently & quickly by Kev. Anyone who thinks otherwise, please say. 7) Flushy's debating style, straight-faced, tougue-in-cheek, does not transfer well to the written word. His Posts "read" rude, but I don't think they are meant that way. 8) I started another thread, "The blonde Cardroom" or somesuch, reminding folks that it's bpc that pays to run this Forum, our Live Updates, & everything else the blondes enjoy. It's an oddity that Flushy, one of our most high-profile Members, never plays on blonde, but that's his right. Having said that, come on Flushy, it's not about money, giove one or two of them a bash, & join in the spirit of the things. It's like a bB Tourney (which I'm delighted you support & play) - it's not about money. If not, at the very least, sign up to the larger buy-in comp I'm gonna propose, & even if it's only you & me, Heads Up, (candy from a baby?), show willing. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Graham C on June 09, 2007, 12:24:49 PM Good post Tony :)
Come on Flushy, play a league game, you can have one more table open surely? You'd enjoy it :D Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: ifm on June 09, 2007, 12:34:54 PM A bit naughty that Tikay, if Flushy doesn't wanna play he doesn't have to.
There are some mods on here that don't support the cardroom. As for the whole rebuy limited thing there are 10 events (i think) in the league, those that don't like unlimited rebuys can avoid those events because only 5 events count. I actually won't have that choice as i can only play every other week, so i would like unlimited and i can excercise discipline as to how many reuys i have. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: tikay on June 09, 2007, 12:44:29 PM A bit naughty that Tikay, if Flushy doesn't wanna play he doesn't have to.There are some mods on here that don't support the cardroom. As for the whole rebuy limited thing there are 10 events (i think) in the league, those that don't like unlimited rebuys can avoid those events because only 5 events count. I actually won't have that choice as i can only play every other week, so i would like unlimited and i can excercise discipline as to how many reuys i have. Thats quite correct Ian - & I did say "It's an oddity that Flushy, one of our most high-profile Members, never plays on blonde, but that's his right." I have openly stated, on the blonde Cardroom Thread, that I play more on other sites than I do on blonde. I also stated why, & what it would take to get me on blonde full-time. They are working hard on changing the things I & others want - bigger cards for a start - & I'll come across full-time when they do. And not before. So no, I don't demand anyone plays on blonde, especially if I don't much. But that misses the point entirely. This place costs a lot to run, & playing on bpc pays for it, & avoids going what some call, & repeatedly object to, the "commercial route". So we are tring to make bpc more usder-friendly, & by that means, encourage those that frequent & use our free Forum & Live Updates to play on bpc a little more. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: tikay on June 09, 2007, 01:07:00 PM A bit naughty that Tikay, if Flushy doesn't wanna play he doesn't have to. [/b][/i]There are some mods on here that don't support the cardroom. As for the whole rebuy limited thing there are 10 events (i think) in the league, those that don't like unlimited rebuys can avoid those events because only 5 events count. I actually won't have that choice as i can only play every other week, so i would like unlimited and i can excercise discipline as to how many reuys i have. Of course, that's entirely right, exercise self-discipline. But that does not stop others - maybe me included - throwing multi-buy-ins at the Tourney, "doing a Jac", & that, whilst boosting the Prize Pool, disadvantages those that can't afford to compete with me financially. I don't think we want to go that route. Nobody is forced to play blonde, & we never suggested thus. It'd be handy if a few more did, that's all we are saying. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: KingPoker on June 09, 2007, 01:10:59 PM A bit naughty that Tikay, if Flushy doesn't wanna play he doesn't have to. There are some mods on here that don't support the cardroom. As for the whole rebuy limited thing there are 10 events (i think) in the league, those that don't like unlimited rebuys can avoid those events because only 5 events count. I actually won't have that choice as i can only play every other week, so i would like unlimited and i can excercise discipline as to how many rebuys i have. Exactly my point aswell ian! And surely you want somebody going all in every hand??!! I just sit back and wait for premium and then double up. Yes he may suck out once or twice but mathematically you are going to win more of them than you lose so why not have someone who seems almost kind enough to give you their chips! Just because you have more dough to rebuy doesnt guarantee you are going to get chips!!!!! Poker is a game of skill and tactics and you just have to alter your style to suit the rebuy format, it will make you a better all round player to have that under your belt aswell. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: tikay on June 09, 2007, 01:14:17 PM A bit naughty that Tikay, if Flushy doesn't wanna play he doesn't have to. There are some mods on here that don't support the cardroom. As for the whole rebuy limited thing there are 10 events (i think) in the league, those that don't like unlimited rebuys can avoid those events because only 5 events count. I actually won't have that choice as i can only play every other week, so i would like unlimited and i can excercise discipline as to how many rebuys i have. Exactly my point aswell ian! And surely you want somebody going all in every hand??!! I just sit back and wait for premium and then double up. Yes he may suck out once or twice but mathematically you are going to win more of them than you lose so why not have someone who seems almost kind enough to give you their chips! Just because you have more dough to rebuy doesnt guarantee you are going to get chips!!!!! Poker is a game of skill and tactics and you just have to alter your style to suit the rebuy format, it will make you a better all round player to have that under your belt aswell. Just because you have more dough to rebuy doesnt guarantee you are going to get chips!!!!! 100% correct. I've seen folks throw 20 rebuys at a Tourney & still not cash. But that's not the point. They have a better chance than those that can't afford so to do. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Sheriff Fatman on June 09, 2007, 01:14:34 PM Just as a reminder, we intended to have 2 10 minute levels of rebuys, in PLO you would struggle to have 2 rebuys in the timescale, in fact no one went out in the first 2 levels, the first casualty of the 2 rebuy rule went out on the 3rd level ... so did I shortly after him LOL . so as you can see it didnt actually make a great deal of difference. I think part of the issue with this is that the rebuys are restricted, unlike on Tribeca, to only be available if you bust out. I think this is a bad thing for the blonde league events. I spent a few minutes trying to rebuy once my starting stack dipped below the original 1500 and couldn't find a way to do so. Consequently, the best option available to me in that situation is to gamble on one hand and either double up or bust out and rebuy. However, restricting the number of rebuys means that you can't do this more than twice, which is why I much prefer the old structure of rebuy league events. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: KingPoker on June 09, 2007, 01:22:33 PM A bit naughty that Tikay, if Flushy doesn't wanna play he doesn't have to. There are some mods on here that don't support the cardroom. As for the whole rebuy limited thing there are 10 events (i think) in the league, those that don't like unlimited rebuys can avoid those events because only 5 events count. I actually won't have that choice as i can only play every other week, so i would like unlimited and i can excercise discipline as to how many rebuys i have. Exactly my point aswell ian! And surely you want somebody going all in every hand??!! I just sit back and wait for premium and then double up. Yes he may suck out once or twice but mathematically you are going to win more of them than you lose so why not have someone who seems almost kind enough to give you their chips! Just because you have more dough to rebuy doesnt guarantee you are going to get chips!!!!! Poker is a game of skill and tactics and you just have to alter your style to suit the rebuy format, it will make you a better all round player to have that under your belt aswell. Just because you have more dough to rebuy doesnt guarantee you are going to get chips!!!!! 100% correct. I've seen folks throw 20 rebuys at a Tourney & still not cash. But that's not the point. They have a better chance than those that can't afford so to do. Yes but poker isnt a level playing field anyway, if im being serious here for the only time i ever will be about this subject, i know yourself and flushy are 10x the player i am so you have an edge anyway even if its a freezeout! Its all about the challenge and i for one and quite happy to try and rise to it. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: tikay on June 09, 2007, 01:30:14 PM A bit naughty that Tikay, if Flushy doesn't wanna play he doesn't have to. There are some mods on here that don't support the cardroom. As for the whole rebuy limited thing there are 10 events (i think) in the league, those that don't like unlimited rebuys can avoid those events because only 5 events count. I actually won't have that choice as i can only play every other week, so i would like unlimited and i can excercise discipline as to how many rebuys i have. Exactly my point aswell ian! And surely you want somebody going all in every hand??!! I just sit back and wait for premium and then double up. Yes he may suck out once or twice but mathematically you are going to win more of them than you lose so why not have someone who seems almost kind enough to give you their chips! Just because you have more dough to rebuy doesnt guarantee you are going to get chips!!!!! Poker is a game of skill and tactics and you just have to alter your style to suit the rebuy format, it will make you a better all round player to have that under your belt aswell. Just because you have more dough to rebuy doesnt guarantee you are going to get chips!!!!! 100% correct. I've seen folks throw 20 rebuys at a Tourney & still not cash. But that's not the point. They have a better chance than those that can't afford so to do. Yes but poker isnt a level playing field anyway, if im being serious here for the only time i ever will be about this subject, i know yourself and flushy are 10x the player i am so you have an edge anyway even if its a freezeout! Its all about the challenge and i for one and quite happy to try and rise to it. Fair play to you fella, you are brave considering you are a Welshie..... Of course I'm not 10 times the player you are, nor is Flushy, nor is anyone, the "edge" in poker is quite small. Mind you, if we can have 10 times the amount of rebuys you do, then we have a better chance. There are many, many, lower buy-in playewrs on blonde who'd feel "left out" or disadvantaged if we did multi rebuyfests. There is room for both views, but not in the same Events. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: KingPoker on June 09, 2007, 01:34:44 PM I do agree but i think maybe one or 2 unlimited rebuys out of 10 tourneys isnt out of the question as i think IFM said only you top 5/6 results count anyway so if you dont like playing the unlimted ones you have the other 8 out of 10 to choose from.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: tikay on June 09, 2007, 01:39:25 PM I do agree but i think maybe one or 2 unlimited rebuys out of 10 tourneys isnt out of the question as i think IFM said only you top 5/6 results count anyway so if you dont like playing the unlimted ones you have the other 8 out of 10 to choose from. That skirts the issue. Yes, only 5 Events count. The idea being, that you can play all or most of them, "miss" in a few, & still have a chance. If 5 were multi-rebuys, those that can't afford rebuyfests would be disadvantaged. Kev is tryiing make it fair, & fun, for as many as possible. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: KingPoker on June 09, 2007, 01:54:43 PM I do agree but i think maybe one or 2 unlimited rebuys out of 10 tourneys isnt out of the question as i think IFM said only you top 5/6 results count anyway so if you dont like playing the unlimted ones you have the other 8 out of 10 to choose from. That skirts the issue. Yes, only 5 Events count. The idea being, that you can play all or most of them, "miss" in a few, & still have a chance. If 5 were multi-rebuys, those that can't afford rebuyfests would be disadvantaged. Kev is tryiing make it fair, & fun, for as many as possible. And kev is doing a great job but as i have already said, i have missed the first 2 so am oblidged to play prety much all of them now but it certainly doesnt or wouldnt psychologically effect my playing in all of them if i were to find out 2 or 3 of them were unlimited rebuys. Its just another string to your bow that you have to have if you want to be an all round poker player. You just need discipline and if you dont have that then perhaps you should not be playing poker anyway. Its all about the wolf and sheep mentality (no sheep jokes plz!). Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Claw75 on June 09, 2007, 03:45:10 PM A bit naughty that Tikay, if Flushy doesn't wanna play he doesn't have to. There are some mods on here that don't support the cardroom. As for the whole rebuy limited thing there are 10 events (i think) in the league, those that don't like unlimited rebuys can avoid those events because only 5 events count. I actually won't have that choice as i can only play every other week, so i would like unlimited and i can excercise discipline as to how many rebuys i have. Exactly my point aswell ian! And surely you want somebody going all in every hand??!! I just sit back and wait for premium and then double up. Yes he may suck out once or twice but mathematically you are going to win more of them than you lose so why not have someone who seems almost kind enough to give you their chips! Just because you have more dough to rebuy doesnt guarantee you are going to get chips!!!!! Poker is a game of skill and tactics and you just have to alter your style to suit the rebuy format, it will make you a better all round player to have that under your belt aswell. Just because you have more dough to rebuy doesnt guarantee you are going to get chips!!!!! 100% correct. I've seen folks throw 20 rebuys at a Tourney & still not cash. But that's not the point. They have a better chance than those that can't afford so to do. Yes but poker isnt a level playing field anyway, if im being serious here for the only time i ever will be about this subject, i know yourself and flushy are 10x the player i am so you have an edge anyway even if its a freezeout! Its all about the challenge and i for one and quite happy to try and rise to it. I'm with King Poker on this. When I've played the unlimited rebuys in blonde leagues as well I've always been clear how many rebuys I'm going to allow myself. Then I've prayed that JackBauer and co will be at my table. In one of the $3 rebuys a league or 2 ago with 20 odd runners I was lucky enough to get $99 for a second place finish, having only forked out my initial $3 and timed my early calls well. I think these low stake unlimited rebuys offer great value for the player on a budget, rather than vice versa and, as I've said, it would be my preference to see at least one or two in this league. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: reenot on June 09, 2007, 04:50:09 PM Shocked to see the rebuys limited but i think it gives more play early on as opposed to the bingo players who like to take risks. I'm happy either way. Just my tuppence worth!!!
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: sharky_uk on June 09, 2007, 05:09:54 PM I was under the impression that the limited rebuys was not actually planned but a mistake.
Maybe I was wrong :dontask: Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 09, 2007, 05:18:42 PM the tourneys when requested were for 2 levels of rebuys and an add on ... this got loaded wrong somewhere along the line and wasn't picked up on until the comp started, I take responsibility for that and i apologise. But now that it has happened, I kind of like the concept of limited rebuys in league comps. From earlier in the thread. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: sharky_uk on June 09, 2007, 05:26:41 PM Maybe I should read the whole thread before posting!
Thanks for helping to sort out my password problem yesterday. ;first; Class Support!! By the way - I think the league is perfectly structured! Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: ifm on June 09, 2007, 07:01:41 PM I was under the impression that the limited rebuys was not actually planned but a mistake. Maybe I was wrong :dontask: I think this is the point, the league was set up, were there any objectors? Then a mistake happened and Kev has asked for feedback and has had plenty. I reckon it should go to a vote, simple change it as it was first agreed or leave as is. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 09, 2007, 07:39:57 PM Of course I'm not 10 times the player you are, nor is Flushy, nor is anyone, the "edge" in poker is quite small. Mind you, if we can have 10 times the amount of rebuys you do, then we have a better chance. We have a much better chance of doing our money, normally i needed 2nd to break even in these events. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: KingPoker on June 09, 2007, 09:32:07 PM Of course I'm not 10 times the player you are, nor is Flushy, nor is anyone, the "edge" in poker is quite small. Mind you, if we can have 10 times the amount of rebuys you do, then we have a better chance. We have a much better chance of doing our money, normally i needed 2nd to break even in these events. Exactly flushy, another gd point! Was gonna use the marcel luske 2.5k wad in the 250 quid rebuy to point this out but forgot. Puts a lot of pressure on them to play well later in the stages to place high and see an ROI so the metaphoric tables change later in the f/o stage! Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Jonboy on June 09, 2007, 10:25:56 PM Personally I would advocate a simple solution. With around ten events, declare one as 'rebuy madness' $5 or $10 rebuy (even $3). Players like flushy (and me if I played) can go all in with 'Any Two' and swell the prize pool. If players are averse to it they can skip it and stick to the other nine events ... to get their best five. It also gives he opportunity for low stakes players to play tight, have limited re-buys, and participate in what is probably going to be the largest prize pool of the league (if they choose). Keep the other re-buys to 2+ an add-on. This will not 'scare' off players from entering the other events.... but the re-buy madness even will be the most fun!? (and possibly the only event I would play!?) Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Irishdenis on June 10, 2007, 02:17:00 AM Just a quick point on the league to date if you dint mind. So far it has had the largest player participation of all our events. As has been pointed out the two rebuy situation was a mistake. When this league is done I am sure Kev will ask for ideas for the next one.
I personally would love to see a $200 /$300 event on a Sunday. It could become the focus of the cardroom as in other sites. I know Kev is also organising Blonde only cash tables. I think it might be one hold em and one Omaha. I might be wrong in this. i am told it might be $1 / $2 This should be fun. And finally he also intends to hold a Blonde series of poker "BSOP" week later in the year. This will be bigger events with lots of Sat's in the month before. Kev can you confirm ! ! ! Feel free to give your opinion on these possible events. I am sure Kev would appreciate the input. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Tonji on June 10, 2007, 10:52:51 AM All good nothing bad in my book. I'll be taking part when ever possible.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: barhell on June 10, 2007, 01:41:56 PM Could we possibly get an Omaha Hi/Lo Event added if we do another league.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: stoneii on June 10, 2007, 01:58:02 PM "Yes but poker isnt a level playing field anyway, if im being serious here for the only time i ever will be about this subject, i know yourself and flushy are 10x the player i am so you have an edge anyway even if its a freezeout! Its all about the challenge and i for one and quite happy to try and rise to it."
I used to play in a league type weekly event organised on another forum and played on another site and part of the attraction to me at the time (as a novice player) was to get the chance to play against some very well repected names for a modest buy-in when all were enjoying the craic yet all also playing to win for the bragging rights. Apreciate those that make a living from the game this is not +EV but then surely in life we all need time to switch off from whatever field of work pays the bills. I love the chance to play against names where it won't cost me a large percentage of my bankroll just to learn from them (it's why I play sats to get into large buy-in live events ;)). No competiton is ever put on to please everyone, but this is a chance for "low-roll larry" to take on "Big-Bucks Barry", scalp him (or more oftn lose to him lol) and brag about it while feeling his game is maybe heading the right way by watching/learning from better players/strategists ;) I'll try to play as many as I can but my vote is happily with limited rebuys & freezeouts. cheers stoneii Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Sheriff Fatman on June 10, 2007, 02:17:29 PM I used to play in a league type weekly event organised on another forum and played on another site and part of the attraction to me at the time (as a novice player) was to get the chance to play against some very well repected names for a modest buy-in when all were enjoying the craic yet all also playing to win for the bragging rights. I remember them well! They were good fun those games. Byronkincaid was a regular in them too, as I recall. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: stoneii on June 10, 2007, 02:24:21 PM Yes, Sheriff thy were good, Byron, Yourself, Helmet, Doc, a tough $10 table without doubt ;)
How's tricks mate? Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: ifm on June 11, 2007, 12:11:15 AM May i ask the outcome?
Did any feed back get fed back or what? Is it to be left? is it to be put as was supposed? Has a decision been made? Should there even be a decision? Is anyone there??? Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Colchester Kev on June 11, 2007, 12:44:52 AM Tomorrow (today ?) the $5 rebuy game will be a 2 rebuy and one add on game.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Graham C on June 12, 2007, 10:12:16 AM I never thought I'd say this, but I think unlimited rebuys would be better. Last night it just got to all in or fold. The blinds were so high and there wasn't enough chips about to make a reasonable move without committing all your chips.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: AndrewT on June 12, 2007, 10:35:28 AM I never thought I'd say this, but I think unlimited rebuys would be better. Last night it just got to all in or fold. The blinds were so high and there wasn't enough chips about to make a reasonable move without committing all your chips. Yeah, the play from quite a way out was push/fold. Obviously that played into the hands of the lesser skilled players. Unlimited rebuys may be better, but it might just need 12 or 15 minute blinds instead of the 10 minutes we had last night. One of the differences between a Blonde rebuy and a normal one is that hardly anyone drops out before the break. This means nearly everyone is still in when the blinds hit 100/200 - obviously not condusive to creative play. I'm not sure if there is the scope for, say, two 30 minute levels in the first hour, then quicker levels thereon - if there is that might be an idea. Otherwise, unlimited rebuys or 15 minute levels are probably needed. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Graham C on June 12, 2007, 10:36:32 AM Obviously that played into the hands of the lesser skilled players. ;whistle; Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: kinboshi on June 12, 2007, 12:54:43 PM What time did it finish?
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Graham C on June 12, 2007, 01:38:58 PM Can't remember, just gone 11 maybe.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: kinboshi on June 12, 2007, 01:53:03 PM So about two and a half hours. How long would it have gone on for if it had been an unlimited rebuy tournament? As was mentioned earlier, most (if not all would have still been in), and the stacks would have been larger in size relative to the blinds.
This might add say another hour to the tournament? :dontask: Would that make it too long (for a friendly league tournament), or would it be better like that? Just thinking out loud really... Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Graham C on June 12, 2007, 02:03:56 PM True,
Not an easy one to get right. The overall time of the tourney was nice last night. Not sure what the solution is. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: kinboshi on June 12, 2007, 02:04:43 PM True, Not an easy one to get right. The overall time of the tourney was nice last night. Not sure what the solution is. Me winning. Obviously. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: AndrewT on June 12, 2007, 02:18:45 PM Last night's tournament ended at 11.26, so just shy of three hours.
Maybe rebuys could start at 8? Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: kinboshi on June 12, 2007, 02:30:06 PM Last night's tournament ended at 11.26, so just shy of three hours. Maybe rebuys could start at 8? It's when they finish that's been the issue for many... ;D Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 12, 2007, 06:28:01 PM True, Not an easy one to get right. The overall time of the tourney was nice last night. Not sure what the solution is. A mixture of tournaments.......oh wait no we have tried asking for that. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Irishdenis on June 12, 2007, 11:56:28 PM I tell you what Flushy,,, Tell me the day, the time, the buy in, the chips, the game, freeze out, double freeze, re buy, unlimited re buy, one day two day or more and I will see what I can do for you.
Now here is the difficult part for you. You have to make it an event which will suit more than you. You see this is a site for everyone. Over to you. And I promise to see if I can get enough players to play. If we do then great. We will ask you to assist us for future events and everyone is happy. If we don't then at least you might understand how difficult it is. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Graham C on June 13, 2007, 12:11:37 AM True, Not an easy one to get right. The overall time of the tourney was nice last night. Not sure what the solution is. A mixture of tournaments.......oh wait no we have tried asking for that. now now, don't be so difficult ;nemesis; Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Claw75 on June 13, 2007, 12:27:37 AM I don't quite get all this having a go at Flushy (unless something's whoosing me) - no one's under any obligation to play on blonde or in the league. Indeed many haven't - ever. Flushy's been upfront about why he doesn't play on blonde more frequently - fair dos - but Jack Bauer has at least made the odd appearance (and added nicely to some prizepools).
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Irishdenis on June 13, 2007, 12:47:07 AM I'm not having a go at him or anyone for not playing on Blonde. It does seem however that no mater what we do it is not right. I was giving him the opportunity to have a go. And by the way we are friends so I will take the Pixx at the same time
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Irishdenis on June 13, 2007, 01:24:34 AM sorry for the spelling mistakes doh
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Royal Flush on June 13, 2007, 05:20:46 AM I tell you what Flushy,,, Tell me the day, the time, the buy in, the chips, the game, freeze out, double freeze, re buy, unlimited re buy, one day two day or more and I will see what I can do for you. Now here is the difficult part for you. You have to make it an event which will suit more than you. You see this is a site for everyone. Over to you. And I promise to see if I can get enough players to play. If we do then great. We will ask you to assist us for future events and everyone is happy. If we don't then at least you might understand how difficult it is. A $3/$5 unlimited PLO rebuy in the league somewhere (we always used to have them) these are the only events i used to play, they started at 8:30 and i had a tournament i had to play on BSQ at 10pm each night, i played the rebuy going all in every hand, then at about 9:55 i would tell the table i was all in every hand until 10 and if i still had chips then i would be sitting out. On a couple of occasions i let people who were already out take over. I did the same in a few of the NLHE rebuys as well, but mostly the PLO. All i am asking is that you stick to the schedule announced before the league started (and the inclusion of 1 decent buying during the league, but that is clearly not possible) Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: tikay on June 13, 2007, 09:40:16 AM I tell you what Flushy,,, Tell me the day, the time, the buy in, the chips, the game, freeze out, double freeze, re buy, unlimited re buy, one day two day or more and I will see what I can do for you. Now here is the difficult part for you. You have to make it an event which will suit more than you. You see this is a site for everyone. Over to you. And I promise to see if I can get enough players to play. If we do then great. We will ask you to assist us for future events and everyone is happy. If we don't then at least you might understand how difficult it is. A $3/$5 unlimited PLO rebuy in the league somewhere (we always used to have them) these are the only events i used to play, they started at 8:30 and i had a tournament i had to play on BSQ at 10pm each night, i played the rebuy going all in every hand, then at about 9:55 i would tell the table i was all in every hand until 10 and if i still had chips then i would be sitting out. On a couple of occasions i let people who were already out take over. I did the same in a few of the NLHE rebuys as well, but mostly the PLO. All i am asking is that you stick to the schedule announced before the league started (and the inclusion of 1 decent buying during the league, but that is clearly not possible) We do, although it's true a mistake was made. I've arranged to have Kev shot. Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: Irishdenis on June 13, 2007, 12:55:49 PM shot. I thought he was starving himself to death.I hear he has dropped one X from his shirt size.
Title: Re: blonde league feedback Post by: AndrewT on June 13, 2007, 01:06:06 PM shot. I thought he was starving himself to death.I hear he has dropped one X from his shirt size. Yes, but when he started his shirt labels had more Xs than Warren Beatty. |