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I just find it amusing that all the tv cameras were there from the beginning, just as if someone had warned them ;whistle;

How low will he stoop for ratings? :P his I am god was funny tho )

Bring back The Rock!


that is the only WWE comment I feel qualified to make!

Who is Mr McMahon?    I am thinking either a cartoon character,  an actor from a soap or a WWF wrestler ? 

He is actually all of those

He is a talented guy then,  which of these is he best known for ? 

Well crushing all other Wrestling companies and making shitloads of cash from Sports Entertainment.

back in the early days he was the commentator on televised wrestling...the days of Mr Miyagi, Andre the Giant and the like

through the 80s and especially the early 90s he bought out the owners and turned it into the huge cash machine it is today


he's very watchable, a comedy character/farce actor


Sadly for me many of the wrestlers these days aren't all that.


Bring back the Rock!

I was wondering when someone would start this thread.... ;D

He's NOT dead!

He'll re-appear at next years wrestlemania to take back control of the company from Stephanie & HHH, who planned the bombing as they felt he was in no state to continue running the company!!!

he's not?????


prove it!

I was a fan of the Ultimate Warrior.  He was always my favorite.  I have not watched wrestling for about 10-15 years, so I don't know any of the modern day guys.  I do remember Vince McMahon though as a commentator. 

I know nothing at all about wrestling but i caught a debate on this the other day and some folks were going seriously nuts over this saying that it was a terrible thing to show someone "dying" when the target (or majority) audience is children.

I watched a documentary recently about the Ultimate warrior, most of the wrestlers hated him as he wasn't actually good, but his ring entrance and music, fame etc reached a high level. He constantly claimed he hated wrestling and was very arrogant to others in the business. Ahh well I did like watching him though.

they have a point

I have to stop my two watching it, as they used to try to beat seven shades of wotsits out of each other after watching it, despite the on screen "do not try this at homes" that pop up

No worse than Power Rangers imo - my 2 youngest love it as well :(  (Aged 4 and 2!!)

There is a thing on youtube about him as well.  He got slated a few years ago after giving a talk at a college campus in the States,  in his talk he made a negative comment about gay people .  I believe it is on youtube somewhere, my friend showed me it ages ago 

 the wrestler Jim Hellwig actually changed his name to ' Warrior ' so Vince McMahon could not make money off him , and had a lawsuit which he won giving him the rights to keep the name of Warrior and to use the mannerisms , costumes , merchandise etc etc of ' The Warrior ' and any letters adressed to him or assets are under the name Mr Warrior.

 obviously a bit of a crazy guy , the other wrestlers were mad at him because Hulk Hogan gave him the chance to be the No 1 wrestler in the world and he wasnt interested , didnt turn up to fights etc , and the owners and wrestlers felt like he didnt appreciate or feel grateful to the WWF and honour the WWF's traditions.

 very good documentary if you can get your hands on it.

Hulk Hogan, he IS the man. Is he still "Wrestling"?

I would have thought you were more of Les Kellet, Jackie Pallo and Mick McManus man Tony??

I well remember all of those. Jackie Pallo, well hard him, McManus too, he was the Barry Neville of his day. Big Daddy, Giant Haystacks, all commentated on by Kent Walton. Saturday afternoon, ITV's highest viewing figures.

Paul Heyman. He comes in and takes over with Eric Bischoff. WCW reforms with ECW.

Or the old it was a big setup like that hasn't been done before!!

Vinnie Mac was always the owner he just appeared as a TV personality becuase he thought he was a good commentator.

LOL @ Mr Myagi!

I think it was Rikishi.... again. :(

Austin 3:16 - Stone Cold Steve Austin......always loved him back in the day when i used to watch WWF

I think it will turn out to be Eddie Guererro

vince was "killed" by that billionaire guy who he had the fight with recently (head shave thing)

i havent really liked vince still he shafted the hitman

So so wrong.

 there is a video tribute on youtube to dead wrestlers , it is quite sad , a lot of guys i didnt know had passed on it.

 havent got the link but its easy to find with owen hart / eddie guerrero tributes.

  Mr Perfect , Big Boss Man , Yokozuna , Big Boss Man , British Bulldog , Hawk and lots of others , all guys i used to love watching in what was the heyday imo.

You didnt mention Big Boss Man.

Donald Trump.

And I agree that Vince was an arse for doing that screw job on Bret Hart.

Watching that event on the "wrestling with shadows" documentary is interesting, it's just a shame we didn't get to see the much talked about Bret punching Vince's lights out.

As for who blew up the car I suspect it was.............................................................Mr McMahon. After being slated on the appreciation night I guess he wanted to see how people really felt about him and see how would try to take advantage if he was out of the picture. This would be consistent a typical lame Vince storyline and suspect he'll reappear come SummerSlam.

For me "WWS" was the most one sided documentary I've ever seen and VKM had little choice in what he did after seeing how the opposition had acted before.

He may not be the nicest guy but he's a hell of a businessman.

The WBF, XFL, the current production of WWE movies. Brillant ideas from the genius known as Vincent Kennedy McMahon.

Granted the WWE is a tremendous success but it can be argued that his father laid down the foundations and it was Hulk Hogan who carried wrestling into the mainstream as it was he who came up with the concept of Wrestlemania. The WWE is a marketing success but Vince has made his fair share of blunders.

how rich do people get from wrestling? say stone cold/ triple H.. how many millions have they made from doing this?

money doesn make up for the fact that they are in constant pain after they give up the wrestling

Got this from http://www.wrestling-caricatures.com/id143.html
$50,000-$99,000 per year

Most performers who are employed just for television
$100,000-$249,000 per year
In this wage bracket are such wrestlers Viscera $200,000 a year.
$250,000-$499,999 per year

This is what most mid-card wrestlers in the WWE earn.
$500,000-$999,999 per year

This is what some of the bigger stars in the WWE earn. The Rock ($600,000 a year 'downside' until 2005) but his actual earnings exceeded $2 million in 1999. BIGGEST MONEY MAKER WAS HULK HOGAN.
_______________________________________________
$ 1 million + per year

These are the big money earners in wrestling. In this bracket are Triple H ...Undertaker...Kurt Angle..Cena etc. ...Steve Austin earned over $6 million in 1999.



WWE Pay Roles October 2004-February 2006

Below is the World Wrestling Entertainment talent roster payroll that was taken from October of 2004 until February of 2006. The shown dollar amount
beside each wrestler is the grand total that they earned from World Wrestling Entertainment in a one year period (downside guarantees, bonuses, and merchandise shares). Some wrestler's were given special privileges and bonuses in their contracts which can also be seen beside their total pay. All wrestler's contracts begin and end at different months of the year,
there for each shown amount is what that particular wrestler earned in a 365 day time period between October 2004 and February 2006 (or however long
>they have been with the company). All dollar amounts were rounded up/down

(Example: $244,766 would be $245,000)
_______________________________________________
THESE AMOUNTS CHANGE WHEN CONTRACTS ARE RE-NEWED every one or two years.
________________________________________________
Ashley Massaro: $131,000
Batista: $813,000
Big Show: $1,000,000
Bob Holly: $217,000
Booker T: $375,000
Candice Michelle: $64,000
Carlito: $319,000
Chavo Guerrero: $206,000
Chris Benoit: $488,000
Chris Masters: $253,000
Christian - $396,000
Danny Basham: $130,000
Doug Basham: $126,000
Eddie Guerrero: $372,000
Edge: $704,000
Eugene: $189,000
Funaki: $124,000
Gene Snitsky: $292,000
Gregory Helms: $277,000
John Cena: $1,743,000

John Layfield: $786,000
Jerry Lawler: $204,000

Jillian Hall: $52,000
Joey Mercury: $134,000
Johnny Nitro: $143,000
Jonathan Coachman: $175,000
Kane: $ 851,000)
Ken Kennedy: $133,000
Kid Kash: $62,000
Kurt Angle: $1,023,000
Lance Cade: $118,000
Lilian Garcia: $90,000
Lita: $286,000

Maria: $41,000
Mark Henry: $300,000
Matt Hardy: $322,000
Matt Striker: $43,000
Melina: $155,000
Mickie James: $72,000
Nunzio: $186,000
Orlando Jordan: $145,000
Paul London: $177,000
Psicosis: $122,000
Randy Orton: $711,000
Rene Dupree: $289,000
Rey Mysterio: $414,000
Ric Flair: $508,000
Rob Conway: $186,000
Rob Van Dam: $220,000
Rosie: $105,000
Shawn Michaels: $1,045,000
Shelton Benjamin: $366,000
Simon Dean: $132,000
Stacy Keibler: $178,000
Steven Richards: $94,000
Torrie Wilson: $260,000
Trevor Murdoch: $48,000
Triple H: $2,013,000
Trish Stratus: $618,000

Tyson Tomko: $127,000
Undertaker: $1,811,000

Val Venis: $210,000
Victoria: $275,000
Viscera: $130,000
William Regal: $225,000

Others receive base rate of $300.00 if they are a big hit with the fans.

wow thanks, fascinating stuff



typo? he was the best wrestler ever!

I have never understood the fascination with the american wrestling malarkey, Im not knocking its popularity, and obviously lots of people enjoy it .... but i just dont get it.

I enjoyed it coz it was on a friday night at 11pm so you could roll in from drinking mad-dog 20/20 in the park and watch these people acting around, like a souped up eastenders.

I don't get it either.  But I'm sure mad-dog 20/20 would help a great deal!  Happy memories of that stuff ;D.

he earned a hell of a lot more with the MG's

No wonder he left for TNA - that's a lot of money to pay out just to play the heel.... ;)

They earn their keep for sure, such a grueling schedule constently going around the country and world. There bodies are put through such pressures, just look at the people currently out long term.

And when you stop being popular Vince sacks you.....and you head to TNA :P

I might be wrong here, but isnt TNA a Vince venture also?

yep

WWE movies he makes good money from.

He's had his mistakes for sure but within wrestling Vince is the undisputed no1 man. Hogan would love everyone to believe he invented or came up with half of what he claims but much of what Hogan has always said is disputed.

Is it? I was sure it was independant?

This doesn't take into account merch sales which the workers get a share of. The reason why guys like Austin made so much is due to the shirt sales. Hence why a catchphrase or punchline is so important.

They also get shares of PPV buy rates.

TNA is not McMahon's.

http://nodq.com/columns/161190186.shtml

Arcticle regarding TNA and who owns it, pretty much says Vince. Really interesting read how

I'm sure Vince is happy to have people believe Hogan is instrumental in a lot of this, as its good for his product.

Hey, how many posts do I need to stop being a 'newbie'?

On A side note the British Bulldogs son is signed to WWE. Expect him to come through very soon. He was Hogans knows best MTV show going out with Hogans daughter. He's Hugggge.

I don't buy it for a million reasons.

It's an ok article but just a conspiracy theory.

Yep I aint sure either, interesting about Kurt tho how hes a walking drug store lol.

I used to live with this Canadian friend who is a big fan of the wrestling. Had great fun winding him up.

Whenever the subject of Bret Hart came up, we'd tell him that the fallout with Vince McMahon was all rigged and that he'd be bound to be back one day.
Of course he'd vehemently deny this, claim that we just didn't understand etc.

So whenever stuff happened in the pantomime plot, like a tag team having a on screen tiff and other such nonsense, we'd always ask for his insight into what was wrestling and what was "real"

most of the WWE stuff is scripted but bret hart and VKM wasnt

when VKM took over cotrol of the industry by taking over WCW it was a black day for wrestling fans as it meant the end of a carear for the hitman

Iron, his career was over long before that due to Bill Goldberg kicking him in the head and paralysing him.

Yeah right

i missed that bit of his carear i think i need to google it

 yeah i meant Bam Bam Bigelow , here is the link -  http://youtube.com/watch?v=rVwP8qGw56w

Look up the Montreal Screwjob (nowhere near as rude as it sounds).

You wind up merchant you...

Usually works a treat, when you don't explain what you're doing first.

Those guys were so funny to watch. Even the way they walked. 'Roided up to the eyeballs.

anyone watch TNA free in the uk  PVP last night and tell me that TNA is not working with WWE

i didnt watch it all the way thro but kept looking to see who was wresting and its filled with

people that were quite good enough to get to the top in WWE singles

but glad to see the dudleys have a new home together they were a huge

disappointment when they split them up

Iron, I promise you mate TNA is not owned by Vince McMahon.

it might not be in his complete ownership but his has a huge intrest in it isn somewhay or another

A lot of the earnings of wrestlers comes from taking part in the seasonal PPV events. Hence why some of the bigger names earn so much but don't appear as often.

why are so many (adults) talking about grown men in spandex throwing each other around a ring, when even a child can see that 100% of it is fixed.


I would expect it of one of flushy's more private thought's but come on, these programs are designed for kids, people with low IQ'S and Americans ( i know the last 2 are the same).

It's entertainment not sport, so saying it fixed is irrelevant.

maybe scripted is a better word than fixed then.

oooooooohhhhhh

the fact is millions of people watch blockbuster movies which are also scripted
millions watch soaps with are scripted

some of us prefer a littl comedy violence in our scripts

after all some of us still watch tom and jerry

ok ok if you want to watch some overweight ape hit someone with a chair just come around my house.

 Coronation Street isnt real , I dont hear many people saying , how can you like Ken Barlow , hes obviously fake !

 as for those adults wearing spandex , would you like to get in a ring with The Undertaker and have him forearm smash you , leg drop you then piledrive you into the canvas ? even if it was 100% fixed ?

 i know i wouldnt , i shite myself when i hear the first tone of his entrance song , before i even see the scary mofo

dont't worry as soon as you reach puberty you will be fine...watch ufc that is real

 try spandexandpuberty.com you might find something there to your taste

I'm not sure that is the case anymore, I would imagine that the majority of viewers are adult males these days, especially at live shows.

Besides, it wasn't that long ago that necrophilia was an angle, 80 year old women were going through chairs and giving birth to hands, and a samoan was putting his arse in people's faces on moment and running them over the next.

The Ultimate Warrior is fascinating, mainly because he was a terrible wrestler yet still my favourite when I was a kid. As already alluded to, he is indeed mad and gone all political, but he was never the most accommodating of people before, his comple squash of HHH during Wrestlemania and the cheque he probably received for his three minutes of egotistical tripe being a total disgrace.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/HHH%2Bwarrior/video/xainp_hhh-vs-ultimate-warrior (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/HHH%2Bwarrior/video/xainp_hhh-vs-ultimate-warrior)

A definite contender in my book, has plenty of motives, destroying the credibility of ECW perhaps being one.

Also, I think it probably has to be someone in a 'managerial' position as a 'murder' angle is potentially juggling with someone's career, with that particular character anyhow. How could they be face after that?

No chance, that was  one off  Wresltemania gimmick - they won't drag Trump back into it.

He's had his slip-ups, but he's still a billionaire from 'business', and WWE was just a whisper until Vince truly got hold of it. In fact, Vince put the company at financial risk to run Wrestlemania 3. If that had been a flop, the company would have gone bust. I agree that the Hulkster played a major part though.

Didn't they castrate him one episode, or has my imagination gone wild?

He's been there for a while now and fought his fair share of dark matches, but I hear he lacks charisma. Also, apart from 'He's British Bulldog's son', I don't think they've come up with any character for him to play.

The former WWE stars at TNA are predominantly lower mid-carders who were released (eg. Doug Basham, Spike Dudley, Tomko) or big name players who were unhappy with how things were panning out at WWE (Christian, Kurt Angle).

There's no way Vince is an owner of TNA.

Times have changed - during the 90's, Vince decided to admit that wrestling was fixed by labelling it 'Sports Entertainement'. It's about entertaining fans, not trying to convince them it's real.


It might be scripted, but there's no denying the fact that these guys truly put their bodies on the line whenever they head to the ring. Just think about Mankind - he has had his ear punched off by Vader, endured broken bones and witnessed a tooth fly through his nose. We wouldn't last 5 seconds doing his job, something that many define as 'fake'.

Don't forget about Droz and the host of neck injuries (Benoit, Austin, Lita, etc) that those guys have suffered.

Vader wishes. It was those dastardly ring ropes.

the fact he had to drop WWF due to a copyright infringement helped him make this choice

The WWF/E case was years after Kayfabe had been admitted.

Benoit and his whole family have been found dead (not storyline).

That's the Vince storyline over with.

crazy

very very sad. He was one of the greatest wrestlers ever.....

RIP Chris Benoit

This story is just breaking and more and more details are becoming available, but this is what Fox News has just posted:

Detective Bo Turner told television station WAGA that the case was being investigated as a murder-suicide, but said that could not be confirmed until the evidence was examined by a crime lab.

WAGA reported that investigators believe Benoit killed his wife and son over the weekend, and then himself sometime Monday.

A concerned neighbor called police. The bodies were found in three different rooms.

The lead investigator, Sheriff's Lt. Tommy Pope, told The Associated Press that the deaths were being investigated as homicide, and said the cause of death awaited autopsy results on Tuesday.

Pope said the three were found about 2:30 p.m., but he would release no other details about the deaths at the house in a subdivision near White Water Country Club.

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I always rated Chris as one of the best technical wrestlers along the likes of Mr Perfect, the dynamite kid, Bret Hart, Harley Race, etc. It's strange to hear that someone you have admired may have committed such a heinous crime and makes you really think what are people really like beyond their media persona.

Some may remember Chris's wife Nancy as the old WCW manager, Woman who was previously with Kevin Sullivan.

I first heared this news after I work up on the sofa at 2am and the tv was still on showing WWE Raw. In a dazed, I've just worken up state I saw CM Punk talking about Chris Beniot and how upset he was and made reference to not having wrestled Chris the previous night in a scheduled world title fight for the ECW title. Being half a sleep I'm thinking CM Punk has cocked this up he's suppose to be talking about McMahon as it's suppose to be a 3 hour special about his death angle. Then I  thought it had to be a work as Beniot was just 40 and not one of the wrestlers ever associated with having abused drugs which has been the cause of so many deathes of wrestlers. 

Then watching the rest of Raw it quickly became apparant that the reality behind this situation was infact much darker than any of the previous memorial shows.

WOW.

Once again Real Life overtakes the Fantasy of WWE.

RIP Chris Benoit

Yep watched first hour of raw live from America last night and McMahon was pale and somber. Was really sad show.


http://www.dailymotion.com/search/wwe/video/x2dkfy_vince-speaks-about-benoit-death-on (http://www.dailymotion.com/search/wwe/video/x2dkfy_vince-speaks-about-benoit-death-on)

This news genuinely makes me feel sick.

cant belive this.my ex rang me at work to tell me.my son is absolutely devastated.cant imagine why he has done what he has,but as a wrestler he will be greatly missed.

RIP Chris Benoit and family.

Jesus that is so unbelievabley sad

Really sad how many more wrestler's will take/lose their lives in the name of entertainment.

Er, I'm not sure his aim was to entertain the viewers with that last move there...

But the steroids that he pumped himself with for decades in order to entertain may have had something to do with it!

True danafish i did'nt word that very well did i.

I've got mixed feelings on this quote.  I always enjoyed watching him wrestling but he has committed such a terrible crime.  If it was a mateyboy who had committed the crime I'm not sure many would be rushing to say RIP. More likely burn in hell! No?

It is a bit weird but the WWE is such a unique and fu**ed up business

My quote was after I had seen Raw and before the emerging facts were known.

I not sure I would wish your suggestion upon him either, one thing my quote should teach you is not to jump to conclusions without the facts in place I guess.

Are the facts known? So far we have been told what the police think has happened. The investigation is still on-going.
If he did commit this crime as they say, then surley it was an act of a severly toubled man. A man that needs to rest in peace.

I did not retract my statement but I do feel the sentiments behind it have changed due to some of the facts that have emerged this evening, and I agree with all you say, just felt it important it was point out at which point I made my statement.

From a recent press release...


I still can't get my head around this. Benoit was one of the most respected and well liked wrestlers on the circuit.

I am still deeply saddened by this news.

Same snoopy, it just doesn't make sense.

If you have seen the side effects of steriods then its not hard to see how this happened.

could explain it, seeing as i've not seen these side effects.

you don't have to be running around like the incredible hulk to be suffering roid rage.

Though listening to the details coming out it sounds like he was probably smoking crack or having a phsycotic episode, i'd be surprised if there wasn't some sort of illegal drugs involved, decades of steroid and painkiller abuse wont have helped either.

It's so much easier to claim that drugs were/must have been a large contributory factor for Mr Beniot to commit such a heinous crime rather than consider that "just" maybe our wrestljng hero, and role model to many, may have infact been a psychologically disturbed individual who was infact not the likeable chappie we believe him to be but instead a violent and controlling nutter who finally flipped and committed cold blooded murder.

The timeline and nature of the murders as so far explained by the authorities suggest a far more calculating chain off events rather than that of a rage attack. Maybe it is easier to use drugs as convenient explanation of this tragedy rather than looking at the truth that our hero was infact an evil troubled soul.

I loved Benoit as a wrestler and always had had this imagined him as a likeable guy. The reality appears to be something so different as it appears he had a history of being controlling and violent. Evil people exist in all walks of life and that even includes people for whom we thought were genuine guys. It's not so long a "popular and respected" member of blonde, in the view of many was shown as not being such a Mr Nice guy.

Seems pretty calculated to me:

Detailed WWE/Benoit timeline
Written: June 26, 2007Below is a detailed WWE/Chris Benoit timeline from Saturday to Monday:

Saturday, June 23, 2007

Chris Benoit was scheduled to appear at the WWE SmackDown/ ECW live event in Beaumont, Texas

3:30pm
A co-worker received a voice message from Benoit. The message from Benoit stated he missed his flight and over slept and would be late to the WWE Live Event. The co-worker called Benoit back, Benoit confirmed everything he said in his voice message and sounded tired and groggy. Benoit then stated, “I love you”. The co-worker stated that it was “out of context.” 

3:42pm
The same co-worker was concerned with Benoit’s tone and demeanor and called Benoit for a second time. Benoit did not answer the call and the co-worker left a message stating “just call me back.”

3:44pm
Benoit called the co-worker back stating he didn’t answer the call because he was on the phone with Delta changing his flight. Benoit stated he had a real stressful day due to Nancy and Daniel being sick with food poisoning. They discussed travel plans for the WWE Tour of Texas with Benoit still sounding groggy at this point according to the co-worker.

4:30pm
A co-worker who consistently travels with Benoit, called Benoit from outside Houston airport and Benoit answered. Benoit told the co-worker that Nancy was throwing up blood and that Daniel was also throwing up. Benoit thought they had food poisoning. Benoit stated he changed his flight and he would be arriving into Houston at 6:30pm. Benoit told the co-worker to drive onto the WWE event.

5:35pm
Benoit called WWE Talent Relations stating that his son was throwing up and that he and Nancy were in the hospital with their son, and that Benoit would be taking a later flight into Houston, landing late, but would make the WWE live event in Beaumont.

6:10pm
A representative of Talent Relations called Benoit. The representative from Talent Relations asked Benoit what time Benoit was getting into Beaumont. Benoit responded he was leaving Atlanta at 9:20pm Eastern time arriving into Houston at 9:24pm Central time. The representative from Talent Relations advised Benoit that it would be too late to make the WWE live event in Beaumont. Benoit apologized citing he had a family emergency. The representative from Talent Relations suggested to Benoit that instead of going to the WWE live event in Beaumont, Benoit should take the flight to Houston, rest up and be ready for the Vengeance Pay-Per-View event. 

6:13pm
The representative from Talent Relations called Benoit to reconfirm the travel plans with no answer from Benoit. The representative from Talent Relations left a voice message to take the flight and rest up.

 

Sunday, June 24, 2007

Text messages sent to co-workers from Chris Benoit and Nancy Benoit’s cell phones:

Text Message 1
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am from
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215
 
Text Message 2
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am
Message: The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open

Text Message 3
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:54am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215

Text Message 4
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:55am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215

Text Message 5
Sent to: A Co-Worker who consistently traveled with Benoit
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:58am
Message: My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215

WWE made several attempts to contact Benoit via phone and text messages, as well as, the local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11:00 pm Sunday night there was no contact made with Benoit.

 

Monday, June 25, 2007

12:30pm
WWE was notified of text messages sent to the two co-workers.

12:45pm
WWE contacted the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office and requested them to go to Benoit’s
residence

4:00pm
WWE received a call from the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office, advising that they entered
the house of Benoit and found 3 deceased bodies (a male, a female and a child). The Fayette County Sheriff’s office has secured the house as a “major crime scene” and that the Fayette County Sheriff’s Office had no further information.

Of course it's "easy", nearly every WWE wrestler that's died over the passed 20 years has died from a drug overdose or a heart attack caused by prolonged drug abuse. you can see from the pictures of when he was in his early 20s that he UNDOUBTABLY took steroids!

It's difficult to believe that some sort of drugs wernt a contributory factor in this tragedy

Indeed many wrestlers deaths are a result of drug abuse and I am in no doubt that Beniot took steroids. All I'm stating is that many people are quick to make the claim it was probably "roid rage" rather than considering something else. Similar crimes have taken place and those persons involved had no dependency on drugs. The crime may have been a result of our likeable hero infact not being such a likeable guy and not the nice guy we thought he was. Who knows he may have committed the murders as a result of him hearing voices, etc, etc or whatever bizarre reason that can lead a person to commit such crimes.

Goldberg has just given an interview in which he says that most people who succumb to "roid-rage" are predisposed to aggression and anger problems, the steroids then heighten those tendencies. Drugs may well be a factor but it's not the only reason or even the main reason as may be suggested by the term "roid rage".

The events appear to me to be the actions of someone with a degree of control of themselves rather than that of rage attack.

'Roid Rage' is only one of the possible side effect, as is depression, which from the timeline would appear to be more plausable.

He wasn't a hero of mine. I have no idea, or really care about him being a nice guy or not. Its good not to just jump at the 'easiest answers' but they are usually the right ones.

This is really odd:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html

not really, it came from the WWE so it was probably information they were getting from Benoit(following on from his story about her having food poisoning).

they go on to say they retracted the entry a short while after not having any corroborative proof.

Why would the WWE make an announcement on wikipedia, and not on their own site or TV program?

Why would they make any announcement without proof?

Why does their time line not include any mention of this, or Benoit saying his wife is dead?

Is it possible that the person who entered this information misunderstood when the wwe announced that Benoit had a family emergency? Or simply jumped to conclusions.

I think they just said "due to personal reasons". It's a pretty big leap to make...

I'm pretty sure they used the term 'family emergency' at the sunday pay-per view.

Still, I agree, highly odd.

This is the text that is mentioned, the edit the article talks about just added the bit in bold (and obviously changed the full stop to a comma).

3 1/4 hours after the "personal issues" was first mentioned on wikipedia.

Very odd.

Why would the WWE make an announcement wikeipedia, and not on their own site or tv program?

I dont know what protocols they have to follow for such matters, them updating profiles of wrestlers on wikipedia is, i imagine, common practice and this may just be down to an administrative error, someone within the WWE press/administration dep acting impetuously without waiting for appropriate substantiation

Why would they make the statement without any proof

why would they need proof? One of their wrestlers tells them his wifes just died what are they going to say:" we're very sorry for your loss but can you make sure you fax us the death certificate when you get it just in case you're telling porkies so we can update your profile"

The fact that they posted it in this way, prior to police involvement and not having the claim substantiated further proves to me that this was just a procedure error on their part.

Why does their time line not include any mention of this, or Benoit saying his wife is dead

there is no doubt in my mind that there is a multitude of facts omitted from the chronology of their dialogue with Benoit over the weekend.
Imagine if they had a series of conversations with Benoit that were documented and logged but not recorded in which he stated" The WWE has ruined my life, you made me take steroids and its made me a monster, i'm going to kill myself " do you think they'd make that public?

WWE can't have written the wikipedia comment. They didn't know about Nancy's death until the police found the bodies, which was 13 hours after the wikipedia comment was made.

Prior to that, they believed that Nancy simply had food poisoning.

how do you know thats what Benoit told them and what they believed and what they KNEW?

Thats their version of events!! The WWE has been known to be a tad disreputable in the past, you dont think theres a slight chance they they may have changed their version of events just a little to minimize their involvment and extent of their knowlege?

 

I'd be very surprised if the WWE didn't tell their true version of events with regards to their correspondence with Chris Benoit, especially when this is a murder investigation.

If the bodies were indeed found after the comment was made then I'd agree it's pretty odd.

However if the times were off by just a couple of hours I can well believe the info was put up there without official proof. I heard the deaths were asphixiation and hanging more than 24 hours before the police said that was the case.

If I heard that way over here then I'm wikipedia would have known something about it.

The only thing that would be odd is if the comment was really posted prior to the discovery of the bodies. It's difficult to see how that could have happened.

From Wikipedia:

News of Nancy Benoit's death was inexplicably posted on Wikipedia 14 hours before the police discovered the bodies. This was initially reported on Wikinews and later on FOXNews.com. The original posting reads: “Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.” The phrase "stemming from the death of his wife Nancy" was added to the English Wikipedia's "Chris Benoit" article at 12:01 a.m. EDT on June 25,[98] whereas the Fayette County police reportedly discovered the bodies of the Benoit family at 2:30 p.m. EDT (14 hours, 29 minutes later). The IP address of the editor was traced to Stamford, Connecticut, which is also the location of WWE headquarters.[99] After news of the early death notice reached mainstream media, the anonymous poster accessed Wikinews to explain his seemingly prescient comments as a "huge coincidence and nothing more".[100]

I don't understand, why he would he post the comment then?

Does anyone know if the Benoit Raw tribute show the day he was found is available anywhere on the net?

Alot of the clips are on youtube, I bet its on mininova as torrent also.

I'm not at one with torrents. What exactly are they, is it legal and do they put your hard drive at risk in any way?

 there is a 4/5 minute daily motion clip on page 7 of this thread , in the clip Benoit is seen hugging his son and wife in the ring , after winning the belt , made the hairs stand up on my body and very nearly brought me to tears.

 i was very deeply saddened with what happened to that young lad , i think if i watched it again i would definitely cry.

 rest in peace young man.

That clip is truelly upsetting

Ashley who just left WWE is appearing in the new Survivor starting 20th sep :) Also Jean-Robert Bellande is in it :P

WWE suspends TEN superstars? News coming from America, some big names found to be taking steroids it seems...

lol, like the use of the word "found"

shouldnt it be "made to"!!

- Randy Orton
- Adam Copeland (Edge)
- Charlie Haas
- Robert Huffman (King Booker)
- Shane Helms
- Mike Bucci (Simon Dean)
- Anthony Carelli (Santino Marella)
- John Hennigan (John Morrison)
- Darren Matthews (William Regal)
- Ken Anderson (Kennedy)
- Chavo Guerrero


were on the list on an online pharmacy

think johnny morrision is the ecw champ

hum thats a different john hennigan if he isnt then can i added him to the list of the hardes poker players

also doing research should funaki batista and chris masters had been found on pharmacy lists

next weeks line up will made up from members of the crowd

With the exception of maybe Randy Orton, they are not exactly the biggest members of the wwe, both in popularity and 'muscle'. They have just made an example out of stars who probably they can do without anyway.

edge is one of there best money makers in terms of merchandise and is at times making more money in merchandise than cena

booker T was a huge star till they turned him into a heel he is a crap bad guy and his sales have gone with his character

batista is one of the top wrestlers (ok he is on 2nd list) and chris masters and kennedy are on that promising future stars list

Due to the lack of talent and ever-expanding injury list, pretty much any mid to upper card wrestler the wwe lose now is going to be a hit, even if it's only for a few months.

You needn't worry about Edge as he's currently injured anyhow, but Orton, Booker and Kennedy are all big names on Raw - the roster will look very slim indeed if all of them are removed from the card. Even William Regal has acquired a pivotal role as GM.

How Triple H escaped without detection I'll never know.

I look at the build of half of these guys and laugh to be honest. Was there any chance they were having things like painkillers?

Seriously; Regal, Helms, Egde and Orton?

I would be worried if it was HHH, Batista, Lashley and Skitsky.

As a very occasional and casual viewer I assumed they were all on steroids, and that it was accepted/encouraged

Batista isn't? you are having a laugh, he's a walking pharmacy!!

Sports Illustrated has received information on the drugs and dates received by various WWE wrestlers, all of whom fall after the institution of the Wellness policy.

Based on these dates, the entire policy's credibility is shot in the sense there were detectable drugs purchased by talent through Internet doctors, a practice banned by the company's Wellness policy.

In addition, Ken Anderson (Mr. Kennedy) comes across like a complete fool because his last package was sent in February, one full year after he claimed to have gotten clean due to the Policy. Between October 2006 and February 2007, Anderson received Anastrozole (which is not a steroid, but used to counter affects of steroids such as development of female breast tissue), Somatropin (a Growth Hormone) and testosterone (an anabolic steroid).

Others listed in the article were:

Chris Benoit receiving Nandrolone and Anastrozole in February 2006.

Eddy Guerrero receiving Nandrolone, Testosterone and Anastrozole two weeks before his death.

Chavo Guerrero receiving many drugs, including Somatropin, Nandrolone and Anastrozole as late as May 2006.

Shane Helms receiveing testosterone, Genotropin (Growth Hormone) and Nandralone as late as February 2007.

Randy Orton receiving Somatropin, Nandrolone and Stanazolol as late as February 2007.

John Hennigan aka John Morrison getting Somatropin, Anastrozole, Testosterone, Stanazolol and HCG as late as February 2007.

Shoichi Funaki receiving Somatropin in March 2006.

Brian Adams received Nandrolone, Testosterone and Somatropin in December.

Charlie Haas received Anstrozole, Somatropin, Stanazolol, Nandrolone and HCG as late as January

Edward Fatu (Umaga) received Somatropin as late as December.

Darren Matthews (William Regal) recieved Stanozolol, Somatropin, Genotropin and Anastrozole as late as November.

Adam Copeland received Somatropin, Genotropin and Stanazolol as late as February. This must have included new evidence because government evidence on Copeland received by the Observer in May listed Copeland as not having received anything doctors were under investigation for in several years.

Sylvan Grenier received Somatropin, Nandrolone, Genotropin and Stanazolol as late as July 2006. Grenier has was fired by the company two weeks ago for unrelated reasons.

The company by the wording of its policy would be forced to suspend these wrestlers, aside from Benoit and Guerrero, because this would indicate flagrant violations of the policy after implementation.

The company suspended ten wrestlers, but this list only includes nine active wrestlers, two of whom, Helms and Copeland, are out indefinitely due to injuries.

Orton, Morrison, Matthews and Fatu were all key characters on television. Given the nature of the television as late as Tuesday, WWE could not have made the decision to suspend until Wednesday at the earliest, and most likely the decision was made this morning.

Why have they been suspended, it's entertaiment not a sport - so why bother with drug tests etc.

I'm sure no other actors take drug tests!!

Because they are in a form of entertainment where it is an advantage to be huge! And because wrestlers are dropping like flies, in their forties, but most of all, because the WWE is being investigated by congress and they feel they need to make a stand!

Not too mention how many millions of kids idolise these wrestlers...

Absolutely

Fair point but even kids realise these guys must be taking steroids, I remember being the most gullible kid in the world but even I knew Scott Steiner didn't become the genetic freak they claimed he was without drugs (he was actually very normal looking in the WCW days back in the late eighties and early nineties).

Even when I was about 12 I knew certain of Hulk Hogans opponents must be on drugs (refused to believe Hulk himself was!).

Congress are wasting an awful lot of money as any investigation will only find what we all know - might hit a few bods with tax evasion at the same time I suppose (but big wow), leave them to entertain people and get on with running America (and in their minds the World) is what I think!!