Who Killed Mr McMahon?

[Delboy]

RIP Chris Benoit

I've got mixed feelings on this quote.  I always enjoyed watching him wrestling but he has committed such a terrible crime.  If it was a mateyboy who had committed the crime I'm not sure many would be rushing to say RIP. More likely burn in hell! No?

My quote was after I had seen Raw and before the emerging facts were known.

I not sure I would wish your suggestion upon him either, one thing my quote should teach you is not to jump to conclusions without the facts in place I guess.

Are the facts known? So far we have been told what the police think has happened. The investigation is still on-going.
If he did commit this crime as they say, then surley it was an act of a severly toubled man. A man that needs to rest in peace.

[Nakor]

RIP Chris Benoit

I've got mixed feelings on this quote.  I always enjoyed watching him wrestling but he has committed such a terrible crime.  If it was a mateyboy who had committed the crime I'm not sure many would be rushing to say RIP. More likely burn in hell! No?

My quote was after I had seen Raw and before the emerging facts were known.

I not sure I would wish your suggestion upon him either, one thing my quote should teach you is not to jump to conclusions without the facts in place I guess.

Are the facts known? So far we have been told what the police think has happened. The investigation is still on-going.
If he did commit this crime as they say, then surley it was an act of a severly toubled man. A man that needs to rest in peace.

I did not retract my statement but I do feel the sentiments behind it have changed due to some of the facts that have emerged this evening, and I agree with all you say, just felt it important it was point out at which point I made my statement.

[snoopy1239]

From a recent press release...

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.

I still can't get my head around this. Benoit was one of the most respected and well liked wrestlers on the circuit.

I am still deeply saddened by this news.

[scotty2hatty]

From a recent press release...

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.

I still can't get my head around this.

Same snoopy, it just doesn't make sense.

[Rooky9]

If you have seen the side effects of steriods then its not hard to see how this happened.

[scotty2hatty]

If you have seen the side effects of steriods then its not hard to see how this happened.

could explain it, seeing as i've not seen these side effects.

[bolt pp]

If you have seen the side effects of steriods then its not hard to see how this happened.

could explain it, seeing as i've not seen these side effects.

you don't have to be running around like the incredible hulk to be suffering roid rage.

Though listening to the details coming out it sounds like he was probably smoking crack or having a phsycotic episode, i'd be surprised if there wasn't some sort of illegal drugs involved, decades of steroid and painkiller abuse wont have helped either.

[thediceman]

It's so much easier to claim that drugs were/must have been a large contributory factor for Mr Beniot to commit such a heinous crime rather than consider that "just" maybe our wrestljng hero, and role model to many, may have infact been a psychologically disturbed individual who was infact not the likeable chappie we believe him to be but instead a violent and controlling nutter who finally flipped and committed cold blooded murder.

The timeline and nature of the murders as so far explained by the authorities suggest a far more calculating chain off events rather than that of a rage attack. Maybe it is easier to use drugs as convenient explanation of this tragedy rather than looking at the truth that our hero was infact an evil troubled soul.

I loved Benoit as a wrestler and always had had this imagined him as a likeable guy. The reality appears to be something so different as it appears he had a history of being controlling and violent. Evil people exist in all walks of life and that even includes people for whom we thought were genuine guys. It's not so long a "popular and respected" member of blonde, in the view of many was shown as not being such a Mr Nice guy.

[The Baron]

Seems pretty calculated to me:

Detailed WWE/Benoit timeline
Written: June 26, 2007Below is a detailed WWE/Chris Benoit timeline from Saturday to Monday:

Saturday, June 23, 2007

Chris Benoit was scheduled to appear at the WWE SmackDown/ ECW live event in Beaumont, Texas

3:30pm
A co-worker received a voice message from Benoit. The message from Benoit stated he missed his flight and over slept and would be late to the WWE Live Event. The co-worker called Benoit back, Benoit confirmed everything he said in his voice message and sounded tired and groggy. Benoit then stated, “I love you”. The co-worker stated that it was “out of context.” 

3:42pm
The same co-worker was concerned with Benoit’s tone and demeanor and called Benoit for a second time. Benoit did not answer the call and the co-worker left a message stating “just call me back.”

3:44pm
Benoit called the co-worker back stating he didn’t answer the call because he was on the phone with Delta changing his flight. Benoit stated he had a real stressful day due to Nancy and Daniel being sick with food poisoning. They discussed travel plans for the WWE Tour of Texas with Benoit still sounding groggy at this point according to the co-worker.

4:30pm
A co-worker who consistently travels with Benoit, called Benoit from outside Houston airport and Benoit answered. Benoit told the co-worker that Nancy was throwing up blood and that Daniel was also throwing up. Benoit thought they had food poisoning. Benoit stated he changed his flight and he would be arriving into Houston at 6:30pm. Benoit told the co-worker to drive onto the WWE event.

5:35pm
Benoit called WWE Talent Relations stating that his son was throwing up and that he and Nancy were in the hospital with their son, and that Benoit would be taking a later flight into Houston, landing late, but would make the WWE live event in Beaumont.

6:10pm
A representative of Talent Relations called Benoit. The representative from Talent Relations asked Benoit what time Benoit was getting into Beaumont. Benoit responded he was leaving Atlanta at 9:20pm Eastern time arriving into Houston at 9:24pm Central time. The representative from Talent Relations advised Benoit that it would be too late to make the WWE live event in Beaumont. Benoit apologized citing he had a family emergency. The representative from Talent Relations suggested to Benoit that instead of going to the WWE live event in Beaumont, Benoit should take the flight to Houston, rest up and be ready for the Vengeance Pay-Per-View event. 

6:13pm
The representative from Talent Relations called Benoit to reconfirm the travel plans with no answer from Benoit. The representative from Talent Relations left a voice message to take the flight and rest up.

 

Sunday, June 24, 2007

Text messages sent to co-workers from Chris Benoit and Nancy Benoit’s cell phones:

Text Message 1
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am from
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215
 
Text Message 2
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am
Message: The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open

Text Message 3
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:54am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215

Text Message 4
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:55am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215

Text Message 5
Sent to: A Co-Worker who consistently traveled with Benoit
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:58am
Message: My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215

WWE made several attempts to contact Benoit via phone and text messages, as well as, the local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11:00 pm Sunday night there was no contact made with Benoit.

 

Monday, June 25, 2007

12:30pm
WWE was notified of text messages sent to the two co-workers.

12:45pm
WWE contacted the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office and requested them to go to Benoit’s
residence

4:00pm
WWE received a call from the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office, advising that they entered
the house of Benoit and found 3 deceased bodies (a male, a female and a child). The Fayette County Sheriff’s office has secured the house as a “major crime scene” and that the Fayette County Sheriff’s Office had no further information.

[bolt pp]

Of course it's "easy", nearly every WWE wrestler that's died over the passed 20 years has died from a drug overdose or a heart attack caused by prolonged drug abuse. you can see from the pictures of when he was in his early 20s that he UNDOUBTABLY took steroids!

It's difficult to believe that some sort of drugs wernt a contributory factor in this tragedy

[thediceman]

Indeed many wrestlers deaths are a result of drug abuse and I am in no doubt that Beniot took steroids. All I'm stating is that many people are quick to make the claim it was probably "roid rage" rather than considering something else. Similar crimes have taken place and those persons involved had no dependency on drugs. The crime may have been a result of our likeable hero infact not being such a likeable guy and not the nice guy we thought he was. Who knows he may have committed the murders as a result of him hearing voices, etc, etc or whatever bizarre reason that can lead a person to commit such crimes.

Goldberg has just given an interview in which he says that most people who succumb to "roid-rage" are predisposed to aggression and anger problems, the steroids then heighten those tendencies. Drugs may well be a factor but it's not the only reason or even the main reason as may be suggested by the term "roid rage".

The events appear to me to be the actions of someone with a degree of control of themselves rather than that of rage attack.

[Rooky9]

Indeed many wrestlers deaths are a result of drug abuse and I am in no doubt that Beniot took steroids. All I'm stating is that many people are quick to make the claim it was probably "roid rage" rather than considering something else. Similar crimes have taken place and those persons involved had no dependency on drugs. The crime may have been a result of our likeable hero infact not being such a likeable guy and not the nice guy we thought he was. Who knows he may have committed the murders as a result of him hearing voices, etc, etc or whatever bizarre reason that can lead a person to commit such crimes.

Goldberg has just given an interview in which he says that most people who succumb to "roid-rage" are predisposed to aggression and anger problems, the steroids then heighten those tendencies. Drugs may well be a factor but it's not the only reason or even the main reason as may be suggested by the term "roid rage".

The events appear to me to be the actions of someone with a degree of control of themselves rather than that of rage attack.

'Roid Rage' is only one of the possible side effect, as is depression, which from the timeline would appear to be more plausable.

He wasn't a hero of mine. I have no idea, or really care about him being a nice guy or not. Its good not to just jump at the 'easiest answers' but they are usually the right ones.

[Bongo]

This is really odd:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html

[bolt pp]

This is really odd:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html

not really, it came from the WWE so it was probably information they were getting from Benoit(following on from his story about her having food poisoning).

they go on to say they retracted the entry a short while after not having any corroborative proof.

[Bongo]

Why would the WWE make an announcement on wikipedia, and not on their own site or TV program?

Why would they make any announcement without proof?

Why does their time line not include any mention of this, or Benoit saying his wife is dead?