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Title: Tory defection Post by: AdamM on June 27, 2007, 08:41:17 AM I've just found out my local Tory MP Quentin Davies defected to Labour yesterday ;cheerleader; at last, I live in a red town. bet the local conservative club are spitting feathers ;D Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: ripple11 on June 27, 2007, 11:27:30 AM How these turncoat MPs have the nerve not to stand down and seek re-election is beyond me. The democratic decision of your constituency was to elect a Conservative MP. (could have been the Monster Raving Loony Party...it doesn't matter)...not a Labour MP. Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AndrewT on June 27, 2007, 11:44:09 AM Quote The Chancellor has been losing control… His projections… have been consistently wrong. He has been wrong about both revenues and expenditure… The Chancellor took risks… he is imprudent… a great worry… very worrying… he simply wanted to win the next election—if he can… it does not matter what happens afterwards… the Chancellor went in for an orgy of self-congratulation… deceiving other people… complacency… he is not prudent and responsible, and not a person to be entrusted with the management of anybody’s finances, let alone the country’s finances… unattractive and frankly problematic… an absolutely devastating misjudgement and mistake—the destruction of our pensions system… We have not had a word of apology from the Chancellor… He was just incredibly imprudent… extraordinarily incompetent… extraordinarily naïve… desperately complacent… As a result of that self-congratulation and complacency, the Chancellor is becoming so cut off that he is beginning to underestimate the intelligence of the electorate… I trust and believe that something nasty will happen to the Chancellor in electoral terms before too long. He will have no one but himself to blame. Strong words against Gordon Brown there - looks like whoever said them back in March 2005 obviously thinks very little of our new PM. Three guesses who said them... Aren't politicians great? Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: TightEnd on June 27, 2007, 11:45:09 AM at last, I live in a red town. how do you think those who voted for him feel? It might be a "red" town at the next election, but it isn't at the moment by the votes cast last time anyway. surely an MP doing this of whatever party is just likely to lose his job come general election time when the voters elect a representative of the party he has just left. No idea if yours if a safe constituency or not, but you get my point. Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AdamM on June 27, 2007, 11:51:41 AM absolutely I do.
thing is they voted for him, rather than his party and he is very popular as a personality locally. Grantham, as the birth place of the iron lady is traditionally pretty blue as you can imagine. at best I'd hope it to become a marginal seat next time around. to an extent, I sympathise with people who voted for him solely because he was a conservative, but at the same time my sympathy is limited due to my deep rooted philosophical disputes with them as a moderate liberal socialist. Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: TightEnd on June 27, 2007, 11:57:24 AM absolutely I do. thing is they voted for him, rather than his party surely not? popular or not if the party he represents is completely unvoteable for (I'm a wordsmith) then they wouldn't vote for him leaving aside tactical voting in a marginal of course (eg labour voters voting libdem in the south west for example) Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AndrewT on June 27, 2007, 12:02:39 PM I wonder what percentage of people could actually tell you the name of their MP.
Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: kinboshi on June 27, 2007, 12:18:41 PM I wonder what percentage of people could actually tell you the name of their MP. We had three choices at our last election. Labour, Tory or BNP. Thankfully, Brian Jenkins was voted in. Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: Linux on June 27, 2007, 12:26:05 PM You might find this video interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AdamM on June 27, 2007, 12:33:28 PM sorry, you've lost me
Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: sledge13 on June 27, 2007, 12:39:11 PM You've just been RickRolled!!!!
rotflmfao Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AndrewT on June 27, 2007, 12:40:36 PM You might find this video interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU You don't understand the Rickroll - 0/10. Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: Linux on June 27, 2007, 12:42:43 PM well............. i do
Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AndrewT on June 27, 2007, 12:49:54 PM well............. i do The Rickroll is used to lure the foolish to the link by way of a description which the wary would question. For example: Quote Phil Ivey just went crazy at the WSOP and punched Doyle Brunson in the face. Someone caught it on their mobile phone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU) You should think to yourself 'that's rubbish' and not click on the link. Those that do are punished with the Rickroll. Yours was, well, rubbish. Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AdamM on June 27, 2007, 12:54:32 PM how would I know it's content before clicking the link?
crazy kids, tricking old people Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: TightEnd on June 27, 2007, 12:56:53 PM next they'll be moving the shortstack in casinos Adam.
Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AdamM on June 27, 2007, 01:04:51 PM people do all sorts of strange things richard
Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: Longy on June 27, 2007, 01:49:20 PM I live in a conservative constiuency myself and have for most of my life, which means my vote has been worthless almost as long as i voted (i will continue to vote its my right). My current MP is as good as gets if I have to have a tory though, i actually respect him, my MP is Ken Clarke.
Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: Ironside on June 27, 2007, 01:57:05 PM under the present system it is the person that is elected that person campaigns under the manifesto of his party
Mr Davies was elected Mr Davies was elected under the auspices he was standing under the manifesto of the Tories Mr Davies has turned his back on his commitments to the people that voted for him by changing the policy he will campaign in the house for Mr Davies is right saying the people voted for me not the party Mr Davies should of triggered a by election by abandoning his campaign manifesto and adopting a new one the British electoral system has many flaws Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AdamM on June 27, 2007, 01:59:12 PM agreed
still good news for a socialist living in a blue town though Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: Ironside on June 27, 2007, 02:03:07 PM agreed still good news for a socialist living in a blue town though not really at the next election either Mr Davies will have lost his seat or he will be moved to a new seat either way grantham loses what some believe was a good consituency MP Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AdamM on June 27, 2007, 02:04:56 PM unless Mr Davies can swing some voters in his weekly column in the local paper
Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: Ironside on June 27, 2007, 02:07:03 PM unless Mr Davies can swing some voters in his weekly column in the local paper not a cat chance in hell Mr Davies can win grantham as a new labour candidate in fact i will even you 4-1 of him representing grantham after the next election Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AdamM on June 27, 2007, 02:07:36 PM no thanks
Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: Ironside on June 27, 2007, 02:09:25 PM wise move young man
mind you i think you could of hedged the bet Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: Rod Paradise on June 27, 2007, 03:10:43 PM agreed still good news for a socialist living in a blue town though Coming from a Tory 'stronghold' (or pretty much as much as they get in Scotland - Dumfries & Galloway) I know what you mean Adam, but the last few years have convinced me he's left Tory for Tory Light. Not too much joy for any socialist :( . Title: Re: Tory defection Post by: AdamM on June 27, 2007, 03:34:57 PM new labour is definitely moderate left rather than moderate right. I'm no Marxist sio that suits me
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