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Title: Moral dilemma Post by: The Camel on June 29, 2007, 10:02:09 PM I just played a $1000 heads up on Stars.
The guy was sitting out as the game began... i used up 45 seconds of my time bank waiting for him and he didn't show up. So I started anteing him away with every intention of sending his $1000 back (less my juice... don't think I should penalised for him not showing up). I had taken about 700 of his starting stack when he finally sat in. I asked him what the problem was and he didn't respond... and then he started moving allin every hand. On the 5th hand I picked up AQ and called. He had K5 and amazingly my hand stood up. Now I'm in a conundrum. Morally what is the correct course of action? I don't think I need to send the entire $1000 as although he was moving in every hand I had a big edge but he could still clearly win. Should I send the proportoin of his money reflected by 700 chips? (About $450) Or should I keep the lot? Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: Graham C on June 29, 2007, 10:05:48 PM He had his chance when you spoke to him and he didn't reply. I'd happily take the money and look at it as a bonus. If it were the other way around, you'd have lost $1000.
Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: FlyingPig on June 29, 2007, 10:06:33 PM Toughish one,,,,, You asked him what the problem was, he never replied and moved all in. He could of give you a reasonable answer and then you would of give him the dosh back...
Instead he has tried ot get back in it and then who knows, he may of won, and you would be down... So on the whole, I would keep the dosh. Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: booder on June 29, 2007, 10:09:39 PM keep it
Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: AndrewT on June 29, 2007, 10:10:39 PM He sat in and then made no attempt to even say hello. He then went all-in with K5.
It would be cruel to the $1000 to make it live in his account - you won it, you keep it. Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: Robert HM on June 29, 2007, 10:10:53 PM He had his chat off or ignored you and then went for it!
It could have been his own patented method gameplay for the foolish, who knows with some people? On balance, bank it. Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: ariston on June 29, 2007, 10:14:12 PM Keith the fact he started moving in said he was still trying to win the game. If he had stayed sat out then yes a refund is in order. I have heard of players doing this as a "free" shot because if they lose they complain to site and anyone who will listen how this guy bent them over. At the big stakes some of the players also have big hearts and will send money back. If his K5 had won and he beat you do you think he would have sent you anything?
Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: kinboshi on June 29, 2007, 10:16:03 PM Ariston posted and made the point I was going to make before I could. If he'd won that hand and then gone on to win - you wouldn't have seen any of the money.
Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: ariston on June 29, 2007, 10:17:09 PM If you do send him his dough back expect to be seeing me a lot in those heads up keith. I will blind away to maybe a 1000 then push every hand till its over. If you are gonna refund me pro rata for my chips i've only got a downside of $333 but an upside of 1000- a shot I'm willing to take.
Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: b4matt on June 29, 2007, 10:20:06 PM When r u gonna post the moral dilemma?? ;whistle;
Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: doubleup on June 29, 2007, 10:24:46 PM Keith the fact he started moving in said he was still trying to win the game. If he had stayed sat out then yes a refund is in order. I have heard of players doing this as a "free" shot because if they lose they complain to site and anyone who will listen how this guy bent them over. At the big stakes some of the players also have big hearts and will send money back. If his K5 had won and he beat you do you think he would have sent you anything? Absolutely agree 100% with this. If you had an agreed deal with PS support to verify ok and well played for being so magnamious, but anything else is opening yourself up to all sorts of angleshooting. Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: Sark79 on June 29, 2007, 10:43:23 PM He had his chance when you spoke to him and he didn't reply. I'd happily take the money and look at it as a bonus. If it were the other way around, you'd have lost $1000. i agree. The very fact you are even asking shows you are a good honourable person, he would probably not ever consider sending some cash back. Keep it all. Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: Tragic on June 29, 2007, 10:45:31 PM When r u gonna post the moral dilemma?? ;whistle; Good point ;) Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: The Camel on June 29, 2007, 10:48:51 PM Cheers for the advice..
Decided to give half to charity, and keep the rest and buy lots of pies. ;D Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: Pelham Boy on June 29, 2007, 11:18:39 PM Cheers for the advice.. Decided to give half to charity, and keep the rest and buy lots of pies. ;D Money very well spent!! Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: bolt pp on June 30, 2007, 01:20:05 AM Give hime his money back, good Karma, so what he started shoving, be the bigger man and do the right thing, what you had already decided was right! forget about his actions, why should that have a bearing on your own sense of morality, you were gonna give it back so give it back, do it for yourself!
Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: Colchester Kev on June 30, 2007, 01:22:17 AM Give hime his money back, good Karma, so what he started shoving, be the bigger man and do the right thing, what you had already decided was right! forget about his actions, why should that have a bearing on your own sense of morality, you were gonna give it back so give it back, do it for yourself! Was it you bolt :D :D :D :D Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: ifm on June 30, 2007, 06:43:45 PM Maybe he was chat banned..........
Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: phatomch on July 01, 2007, 04:20:31 AM why don't you donate say £200 to a charity. You asked him a question he had a chance to reply but did not instead he popped it in. To clear your head give the money to great ormond street or something..
Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: Jim-D on July 01, 2007, 10:33:48 AM why don't you donate say £200 to a charity. You asked him a question he had a chance to reply but did not instead he popped it in. To clear your head give the money to great ormond street or something.. Cheers for the advice.. Decided to give half to charity, and keep the rest and buy lots of pies. ;D Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: Chriswan on July 01, 2007, 12:29:03 PM Give it back to the man, his alias was Canderu and it was his sister playing while he was in the bath... when he got back and noticed he was upset. he only want about $450, that is the correct sum to credit his account with, he says thanks!
Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: kinboshi on July 01, 2007, 12:33:25 PM Give it back to the man, his alias was Canderu and it was his sister playing while he was in the bath... when he got back and noticed he was upset. he only want about $450, that is the correct sum to credit his account with, he says thanks! ??? Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: Newportlad on July 01, 2007, 12:38:28 PM WTF
Keep the money Keith. You did nothing wrong, he didn't respond to your chat. END OF STORY Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: boldie on July 01, 2007, 03:36:21 PM keep it...not even a moral dilemma for me as soon as he started pushing every hand and not responding to you when asked what was going on.
Nice gesture on giving half to charity. Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: Nem on July 02, 2007, 01:31:54 AM Title: Re: Moral dilemma Post by: dealerFROMhell on July 02, 2007, 06:04:20 AM After this clearly malicious and unsettling situation you forced upon this unfortunate person, you should give all the winnings to The Salvation Army and run off to become a Tibetan Monk.
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