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Last weekend at the APAT, I managed to get moved quite a few times, eventually sitting at 6 tables...  On my 5th table, we were down to maybe 45 players in total.  Sat opposite me was a guy I recognised from photos on the APAT site, (dont know whether I should name and shame YET??..!!)...

it was maybe 10pm ish so we had played like 8.5 hours of poker.  For 1 hour while I was at his table he had between 7k and 9k chips so was pretty low compared to average.  he was playing very solid, meaning that he was not playing anything at all unless it was mega premium.  Then 1 particular hand while he was UTG, he went all-in with his 9k...5 people fold, I also fold, and then the SB to my left pondered...  As he was pondering, the guy who went all-in said whileplaying with his mobile phone, just like he had just had a text message, "Sorry, I have to go now, I have not looked at my cards"...

The guy on the SB, he asked him if he had really not looked at them and then continued to tell us that every day, he would play his hole cards on the internet..  He called eventually...  SB turns over  Jd Jh and the original raiser turned over  Qh Qs ...  SB was astonished and said, did you really play that blind?  To which he got a reply, no, I looked...   Qh Qs doubled up to 18k and SB took a sizeable hit..

The thing is, I saw him look at his cards, but at the time that he announced he had not looked, I had folded so as I was not in the hand any more, it was not my place to respond by saying, B**lox I saw you looking...

In my eyes this move was not good..  I have to be honest and say that I do not know if it is within the laws or not to say things like that, but nevertheless, it was a LOW LOW thing to do in my eyes...

I wasnt there, and havent a clue who the player in question is, but i dont like it one bit...

Yeh, that Tikay he'll try anything to get an edge...... ;)







.....and no dont like that sort of "play" either.

Bluffed.

Wasn't me then.  One I was already out.  Two I didn't have QQ all weekend.  Three I would have folded QQ...

Seriously though, did the caller actually believe him when he said he hadn't looked?  Also, if you saw him look at his hole cards - the caller had every opportunity to see him as well.  If it's not cheating, then it's fine in my book.  Not something I'd necessarily pull - but no different to any other speech play that is intended to get the opponent to do what you want them to do.

Just re-read the OP.  The player shouldn't have been using his phone during a hand.  I know there aren't any 'standardised' rules, but in many cases isn't the player's hand dead if he's using his phone during a hand?

Was not you fella..!!

Oh I know that - for reasons 1 & 2 (3 is obviously a lie.....I would have flat called).

wasnt me either

1) i never had QQ
2) i was never aslow as 9k
3) i never made any moves although i wouldnt of tried this one

you were correct in not saying anything at the time though as you werent in the hand

during a hand at my first table the dealer made an error in how much a person could raise but as i wasnt in the hand i couldnt say anything untill after the hand and neither of the players invovled said a word it was left as was

i didnt know kev had his own paper

I didn't know Kev could read...

Only one thing to do here......












wait for him in the car park!!!!

not funny

Dont know why you didnt feel it wasnt your place to say anything the next time he did it, people must speak up loud and clear when something wrong is happening imho. He's an arse and angle shooting like that is used by bastards up and down the country until they are sufficiently embarassed enough to stop doing it.

Well it couldn't have been Tighty, he folds QQ UTG, mind you if he hadn't looked...........

Well it wasn't me, mind you by the end of day 1b the cards were not quite in focus and it wouldn't have mattered if I did or didn't look  ;dewi;

1. Jacks man is always calling here regardless

2. Queens man acted weak when he was strong...I'm sure I've read about this

3. Queens man was using his mobile so Jacks man should have declared his hand dead

4. You saw Queens man look...Jacks man wasn't paying as much attention as you and missed this....so had to rely on asking Queens man if this was actually true (less reliable way to get information I imagine). You are not the eyes and ears for everyone at the table and Jacks man deserves his medicine

I was witness to a similar scenario about that time on the Sunday. It invloved Mark Donnely and A.N.Other. It was similar but not as described so I don't think its the same incident. Mark made a move and was called, flop come 10 high. QQ bet, and Mark called with JJ, he did say before he turned over his cards 'I think you got QQ and I want to go home'. Which I though was an amazing call by Mark.

Here is a pic of Mark.

EDIT - He also said it was because Ironside was out. ;D

i had just gone by this time and mark was saying that he thought he was beat but was happy his lead in the league was not in danger he also said he would of folded if i was still in

Was it QQ man on the phone Carl? Did he get a text before pushing?

Could JJ man have asked for his hand to be dead cos of the phone once he has called and seen it ;) (Bad etiquete but ... what's good for one is good for anohter!)

Well this is odd because the person who I have not named yet is that very same person, and this event that I am talking about was maybe 1 hr before he went out so it is definately different..  Dont get me wrong, he was not on the phone making a phone call, but fiddling with his phone almost as if he was making or reading a text..

So could his text messages have gone something like this:

"Is Ironside still in"
"Yes"
"Oh I better blag a double up then"

It was'nt me....

Doesn't sound like the sort of move Mark would make (but I'll let him come on and defend himself).  Are you sure he wasn't listening to MP3s through the phone or something? 

Great interview Kybosh, guess they got desperate while the cook was busy ?

Was waiting for yours. Oh no, my mistake.  They only interviewed those who have won something.

I declined, too busy playing the tourney.....

Hold on, no, I was not asked ! !

Contacting my PR person.....

Not for much longer you weren't....

Did I last longer, again ?

Hey leave poor Bainn alone -- he played his 5 3 off to perfection  ;hattip;

No.  You were only in when I was out because you played Day 1b and played Day 1a.    Shame you didn't add to your APAT points haul...

Thank you kindly Sir.

Think you'll find he started it.

My mistake though.  He did double his APAT points in Luton.

Well it was against Ironside -- and he was point protecting at the time -- If I remember he was a bit af a target on that table -- every raise he made received a reraise or an all in -- I was thinking at the time it was cruel -- until I reraised as well with AK ooops

Indeed, there is a "Friendly" rivalary betwixt myself and Kybosh, you know, the old "Skill versus Luck argument".

Good show !

Yes, and I think that you've shown that luck alone isn't sufficient.

That is actually a good come-back, I can only assume your Girlfriend is posting on your behalf.

Doubt it.  I don't have a girlfriend.

Oh, where to start.....

Not sure what you mean?  But if it's where you should start, maybe Harrington on Holdem Volume I would be a good idea.  Certainly can't harm your game.

Most kind of you, may I reciprocate by suggesting you read "Killer Poker No Limit" by John Vorhaus.

It should help you progress from your simple "A.B.C" style of play my friend.

Happy winning the way I play thanks.

As you wish, but you have to progress beyond waiting for luck to deal those big hands to you, you need to get creative.

You don't win a tournament on luck alone.  Or in your case, you don't win a tournament.

Tis true the comps I have won have not had fantastic press exposure.

$1 STTs generally don't.

Not what I was referring to, bless you my simple friend.

Sorry, were you referring to your freerolls or play money games?

Actually I have heard play money games are greating for venting your frustrations, playing them much lately ?

LOL excessivequotingaments

You've heard!  LOL - did a hypothetical 'friend' tell you that?

I play cash games rather than tournaments most of the time.  Not that I'd advise you to do the same - you could lose a lot of money playing cash games.

Actually my return playing Cash is in the positive.

Friend ?  No, one of my most adoring fans....

rotflmfao - bet you think I believe in santa claus as well rotflmfao

I would only believe that if I thought you had the imagination.

I must have.  I thought you were a poker player...

there is a big difference between getting creative and calling off your stack with AQs raising is fine but not once a player is all in

yes you got creative with the 54o you picked the right player on the right day at the right moment to make that play but AQs to a raise and an all in reraise is creative its suicidal

As I explained, the range of hands I have seen that guy play in that situation were beaten by my hand and I was not content to remain at an average stack which equated to about 10 X BB.

as i stated before you forgot about the fact the UTG had raised and was likely if he called to either have you dominated or if he folded one or 2 of your outs thus making it a suicidal play unless you were postive he had a weak ace which he didnt

I sense a lot of sexual tension on this thread .....

I bet you do... ;D

i wish i knew what that was

I am an expert in these things.  I think the two of you should just get a room, get rid of that tension, and you'll be right as rain  :)up

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