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Title: Ruling ? Post by: Ecosse on September 18, 2007, 02:47:46 PM Can anyone put me right here ? 10 handed tourney at local club, i'm head's up and go all in after the river with board reading jj8jk. Opponent does not call my bet but turns over his cards showing a K. Has he mucked ? Dougie. Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: Newmanseye on September 18, 2007, 02:49:01 PM yes, if he has exposed them and not said call he has mucked his hand, exposing your cards makes em dead as far as i know.
Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: AndrewT on September 18, 2007, 02:50:40 PM If the dealer didn't him say call and he moved no chips forward then he's mucked.
Of course, he could have put you on the case Jack and was showing what a great fold he was making. Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: 77dave on September 18, 2007, 02:51:34 PM If his card is exposed by accident at any point during the hand his cards are live but he is held to check call or fold for the rest of the hand
if it is decided that he exposed the card on purpose then his hand is dead at that point Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: Ecosse on September 18, 2007, 03:00:22 PM If the dealer didn't him say call and he moved no chips forward then he's mucked. Of course, he could have put you on the case Jack and was showing what a great fold he was making. This is exactly what happened. I had QQ. Ended up splitting the pot after heated debate. Dougie. Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: Claw75 on September 18, 2007, 03:09:28 PM If the dealer didn't him say call and he moved no chips forward then he's mucked. Of course, he could have put you on the case Jack and was showing what a great fold he was making. This is exactly what happened. I had QQ. Ended up splitting the pot after heated debate. Dougie. I don't understand why the pot was split - either his cards were live and he won, or his cards were dead and you won (which would be correct in this situation). Why did you show your QQ, and how on earth was it decided that the pot should be split? Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: Ecosse on September 18, 2007, 03:14:36 PM If the dealer didn't him say call and he moved no chips forward then he's mucked. Of course, he could have put you on the case Jack and was showing what a great fold he was making. This is exactly what happened. I had QQ. Ended up splitting the pot after heated debate. Dougie. I don't understand why the pot was split - either his cards were live and he won, or his cards were dead and you won (which would be correct in this situation). Why did you show your QQ, and how on earth was it decided that the pot should be split? Basically to avoid a scrap. I knew he was in the wrong and put me on the case jack. Local social club and no one has that much experience. Opponent knew he was folding and I really believe he was just angle shooting. Dougie. Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: doubleup on September 18, 2007, 03:16:01 PM Although there are bizarre rules all over the place, the ruling in reputable cardrooms would be that his hand is not dead but he may be warned or penalised.
I cannot understand how the pot ended up being split, he either called or folded. Did you think he called and expose your hand? If so welcome to the world of angle-shooting (although it may just have been stupidity) - don't show your hand until you are sure you have been called. Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: doubleup on September 18, 2007, 03:17:42 PM Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: 77dave on September 18, 2007, 03:22:34 PM Although there are bizarre rules all over the place, the ruling in reputable cardrooms would be that his hand is not dead but he may be warned or penalised. I cannot understand how the pot ended up being split, he either called or folded. Did you think he called and expose your hand? If so welcome to the world of angle-shooting (although it may just have been stupidity) - don't show your hand until you are sure you have been called. His hand is dead if he shows his cards plus what warning or penalty do you think he should get or have you ever seen given in a cardroom for exposing your cards Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: AndrewT on September 18, 2007, 03:25:27 PM To be honest, in informal social games, the overriding thing which determines rulings is 'which decision is least likely to result in a fight'.
Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: doubleup on September 18, 2007, 03:41:56 PM Although there are bizarre rules all over the place, the ruling in reputable cardrooms would be that his hand is not dead but he may be warned or penalised. I cannot understand how the pot ended up being split, he either called or folded. Did you think he called and expose your hand? If so welcome to the world of angle-shooting (although it may just have been stupidity) - don't show your hand until you are sure you have been called. His hand is dead if he shows his cards plus what warning or penalty do you think he should get or have you ever seen given in a cardroom for exposing your cards tda rule 31 Exposing Cards- A player who exposes his cards with action pending may incur a penalty, but will not have a dead hand. The penalty will begin at the end of the hand. Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: bolt pp on September 18, 2007, 05:44:19 PM lol ffs how the f**k is it ever a split?
and LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL at the fold, what was his other card, another king? ::) I guess now we know where mystery721 plays he's live poker! Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: 77dave on September 18, 2007, 05:56:17 PM Although there are bizarre rules all over the place, the ruling in reputable cardrooms would be that his hand is not dead but he may be warned or penalised. I cannot understand how the pot ended up being split, he either called or folded. Did you think he called and expose your hand? If so welcome to the world of angle-shooting (although it may just have been stupidity) - don't show your hand until you are sure you have been called. His hand is dead if he shows his cards plus what warning or penalty do you think he should get or have you ever seen given in a cardroom for exposing your cards tda rule 31 Exposing Cards- A player who exposes his cards with action pending may incur a penalty, but will not have a dead hand. The penalty will begin at the end of the hand. cash games and tournys have differnet rules what punishment are you going to enforce in the next hand of a cash game. 10 min penalty big deal. Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: doubleup on September 18, 2007, 06:24:42 PM cash games and tournys have differnet rules what punishment are you going to enforce in the next hand of a cash game. 10 min penalty big deal. Read the original post. Particularly the bit saying "10 handed tourney at local club". Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: 77dave on September 18, 2007, 06:32:14 PM cash games and tournys have differnet rules what punishment are you going to enforce in the next hand of a cash game. 10 min penalty big deal. Read the original post. Particularly the bit saying "10 handed tourney at local club". your quite right double up i misread theoriginal post but the point still remains when in this country have you seen someone running a comp give such a penalty Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: dealerFROMhell on September 18, 2007, 06:51:34 PM If you're facing a bet and your cards are exposed, then it's sionara.
Title: Re: Ruling ? Post by: doubleup on September 18, 2007, 07:00:23 PM cash games and tournys have differnet rules what punishment are you going to enforce in the next hand of a cash game. 10 min penalty big deal. Read the original post. Particularly the bit saying "10 handed tourney at local club". your quite right double up i misread theoriginal post but the point still remains when in this country have you seen someone running a comp give such a penalty I haven't and this is the reason I rarely play major comps in the uk. The ppl that run uk poker rooms are generally ill informed about rules that are standard in well run cardrooms the world over. |