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Title: Standard fold I suppose Post by: TightEnd on October 24, 2007, 08:08:11 PM 2-4NL 8 HANDED
Limp by Loose player, $425, in a lot of pots I raise to $20 Kd Kc MP $560 Flat called by button, TAG, $400 Flop Js Ts 7h check I bet $54 into $66, to find out Button makes it $150 EP check raises all in Its on you... I've found out I suppose have learnt to pass overpairs on connected and scary boards. I pass Standard? Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: celtic on October 24, 2007, 08:50:56 PM i Fancy youre ahead here. All in and close your eyes and hope you don't get outdrawn. Other hands KQ & AJ.
sits back and waits to be shot down in flames................... Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: TightEnd on October 24, 2007, 09:59:01 PM Irrespective of whether I was ahead or not (reveal later) am I losing/winning revenue from always passing in this spot versus two different types of player or from always calling?
what are your views on that? Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: celtic on October 24, 2007, 10:42:36 PM Irrespective of whether I was ahead or not (reveal later) am I losing/winning revenue from always passing in this spot versus two different types of player or from always calling? what are your views on that? Damn, i knew you would get technical!!!!!! Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: celtic on October 24, 2007, 10:59:23 PM Long run given the hands that you could be losing to or can get outdrawn with then its the right pass. But poker decisions are situational and if you think you're in front then i stand by shove it in and close your eyes.
Wouldn't say its a STANDARD pass, its a good, disciplined pass tho. Just out of interest what did you put them on? Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: AlexMartin on October 24, 2007, 11:00:25 PM i Fancy youre ahead here. All in and close your eyes and hope you don't get outdrawn. Other hands KQ & AJ. sits back and waits to be shot down in flames................... Disagree. You are rarely ahead here. Good pass. Your hand is relatively transparent. Theirs isnt. Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: Bongo on October 24, 2007, 11:01:04 PM I don't think playing for stacks here against 2 players is likely to show a profit.
Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: doubleup on October 24, 2007, 11:02:27 PM IMO the only combo you're beating here is TAG with QQ or AKss and loose with a draw. TAG would def raise here with a set as he's afraid of the flush or another broadway card - loose obv goes ai with a wide range including hands that beat you. As you saw the result it somewhat biases towards TAG having a hand that beats you or AsKs, so not sure its that relevant to the discussion. I would fold here anyway, but would have a tougher decision if it was just the TAG heads-up and would probably need to know a bit more about his play.
ps stop playing full ring, it's not clever or funny. Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: TightEnd on October 24, 2007, 11:06:57 PM I put TAG on a set ( overpair unlikely given flat call pre on button and unlikely to raise with AJ here, no previous inclination to raise big draws), and LAG on spades, possibly KQ spades
TAG called with Jh Jd LAG had Th Tc Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: TightEnd on October 24, 2007, 11:08:19 PM ps stop playing full ring, it's not clever or funny. I am far more experienced at full ring than 6 max, and haven't the time to put the hours in at 6 Max to get competitive Might be doing myself down, but its a mental thing Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: celtic on October 24, 2007, 11:17:31 PM Nice fold sir.
Lesson learnt for me. If you had Td Th or 7d 7c on this board would you fold? Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: TightEnd on October 24, 2007, 11:18:48 PM Nice fold sir. Lesson learnt for me. If you had Td Th or 7d 7c on this board would you fold? no set under set on almost all boards, I'm stacking off. Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: celtic on October 24, 2007, 11:26:52 PM Ok. If you had 77 on this flop why would a fold here be any different to having KK, your behind drawing to one out with 77 v set of Jacks / tens but have 2 outs if you have KK. Either way drawing thin.
Asking from a learning point of view not an argumentitive wee shite view. Is it purely because its harder to lay a set down? Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: TightEnd on October 24, 2007, 11:30:01 PM Basically yes
Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: celtic on October 24, 2007, 11:32:43 PM Ok TY.
Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: TightEnd on October 24, 2007, 11:34:00 PM mind you if it went 50 >>150>>>400 on this board and I had bottom set that might qualify as an "almost fold a set" board
Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: Smart Money on October 24, 2007, 11:34:46 PM i Fancy youre ahead here. All in and close your eyes and hope you don't get outdrawn. Other hands KQ & AJ. sits back and waits to be shot down in flames................... Disagree. You are rarely ahead here. Good pass. Your hand is relatively transparent. Theirs isnt. Yep. With that action it's an auto fold on virtually any board without a King. (Anyone calling here should probably play tournaments instead.) Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: Bongo on October 24, 2007, 11:36:19 PM Is it purely because its harder to lay a set down? Bottom set beats 2 pair and has redraws against a flush/straight should that hit. Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: Smart Money on October 24, 2007, 11:38:24 PM 77 is significantly stronger than KK here against a single opponent (who has JT within their range) but generally I'd be folding it in this situation.
Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: celtic on October 24, 2007, 11:40:29 PM Understand all that guys but richard said he put one of them on a set so my theory was if he had bottom set would he still fold, even though he has less outs.
Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: TightEnd on October 24, 2007, 11:42:04 PM Understand all that guys but richard said he put one of them on a set so my theory was if he had bottom set would he still fold, even though he has less outs. yes but your question didn't specify whether I was the one with 77 in this spot.....(pedants rule ok) as I said above, it might have been a fold for me there to that action Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: Smart Money on October 24, 2007, 11:43:35 PM Understand all that guys but richard said he put one of them on a set so my theory was if he had bottom set would he still fold, even though he has less outs. lol, you asked why 77 was different from KK here. Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: celtic on October 24, 2007, 11:48:02 PM sorry meant to say why WOULDNT he fold 77 on this board. As KK is in a better position than 77 here. Yes? No?
Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: Smart Money on October 25, 2007, 12:18:48 AM sorry meant to say why WOULDNT he fold 77 on this board. As KK is in a better position than 77 here. Yes? No? It depends on their range but generally 77 is better. Against a higher set, KK (~8%) and 77 (~4%) are both drawing thin. However against 2 pair, and drawing hands 77 is significantly stronger. Title: Re: Standard fold I suppose Post by: celtic on October 25, 2007, 12:29:19 AM smart money... my question was if richard had 77 and put one of them on a set would he fold?? he said (initially prob not and i said KK is in a better position that 77 on this flop, why wouldnt he fold, and he said cos its a set and harder to fold.
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