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hi all , i was a railbird the other week following daniel negreanu in a competition on the internet,
he gave the old question to the railbirds ,when is it 100% right to fold pocket aces, the answer he gave was correct, i never got the answer so heres a few clues, its a heads up situation,
nothing about folding to get into the money,i will post his answer later if anyone interested.

HU Pre-flop: NEVER

HU Post-flop: When you KNOW you are behind or the other guys 'drawing odds' (in your mind) are monster.

I've heard it said that Negreanu would do it pre-flop (but perhaps not HU) just to prove to himself he can...but why?

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Pre Flop - NEVER

Post Flop - If the board is suddenly dangerous, let it go.

dorry i should of said its a pre flop situation

The only time I can think of is in a satellite when you have a decent stack and are very close to the seats on offer. Unlike a tourney there's no difference in coming say 30th (If that's when the seat payout starts) and 1st.

Hmmmmmmm, he's made plenty of money throughout his career, so he MUST have some good reason for it.  Will have a think and get back to ya.

briliant answer vegas lover,i would say you are correct but may not be 100% right as you could still be blinded out if shortstacks keeps stealing,its not the answewr daniel gave

If everyone at the table moves all in and one of them somehow exposes his pocket aces?

This is the one and only time I have folded AA pre-flop.  It was in a freeroll where top 50 got through to next round.  There were 59 entrants left and I was in a comfortable position where I could fold into a seat.  And I did!

Satellite situation or biggest buyin tourny u ever played and whole table moves all in pre flop......
Fold and move to another table :)

Is it when you go on a break and have a cigarette with the missus and she starts to talk about stuff like her work or holidays or some other nonsense. You can't just stand up 4 minutes 45 seconds later and admit "sorry darling i wasn't listening to single word you said as i was thinking about how i managed to lose a chunk of chips 5 minutes ago and the break is over so i'm off" Sad i know but i'm not that brave....so i continue to nod or agree to something i've no idea i'm agreeing to in order to get back just in time to see the time bank elapse and your aces mucked.

is that the answer cause i'm pretty sure its right?

Otherwise it's a Sat bubble and everyone else is all-in.

Deffo in a satellite situation if you're close to the seats...every day of the week. 

That said, if there's only one seat and you're down to heads up play, I'd be hard pressed to fold pre flop here.  You're playing for the win and that's the best you can hope for pre-flop in a heads up situation.

I assume this some sort of trick question like when the other player goes AI and you know somehow that he has aces as well or your aces are both clubs or something.

Were KingPoker and Geo at the table?

Or Tikay?  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

hi all, i did give a couple of clues, 1 was its a heads up situatution,yeah, you may get it from this clue,it is a situation which would not come up in a tournament ,it would only happen when a poor player played a top pro heafs up and the pro gave the poor player good odds to win the match

eck ,if i could award you a spot prize i would m8, brilliant ,still laughing after 5 min

Im totally baffled by this thread.

Well OK. If it was a Pro vs an amature and he was giving him 5-1, say $50k vs $250k. If the amature is all in pre flop (and the pot is small, low blinds no action). Then calling with your AA vs another pair or suited connectors, you are only a 4-1 favourite and losing out. The pro should fold and play smaller pots against the amature. This all asumes you are playing in this funny 5-1 matchup in the 1st place, and that you think your oppo doesn't have AK!

Giving anyone 5-1 heads-up is a losing bet.  Also if you will never call an AI don't you think that your opponent might have a fairly straightforward strategy to beat you?

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yeah, simple answer ,if a pro offers you odds of 10/1 to play you heads up and you move all in pre flop with most hands, he has to fold as he will not be getting the correct odds to call

FFS DN is an idiot.  Moving all in every hand must win that bet long term.  And also the pro must call to minimise his losses.

Another time to fold preflop may be on or around the bubble if you are commanding the table and are enjoy stealing lots of blinds, it may be more profitable for the bubble not to burst.  i.e you can continue to steal the blinds where as doing something with AA stands a good chance of winning one pot, but longer term, you may get more out of stealing blinds

Are u having a steffi?  What does he call with if his oppo moves allin every hand? and how does he react to a reraise with AA? what a load of nonsense.

lol it does seem very odd but you can also see the logic behind it, if he can outplay his oppo (which he surely can) then keeping the pots small untilyou have better odds is the correct strategy in theory, though in practice i doubt anyone would fold aces.
Did anyone see high stakes poker when greenstein had aces v can't remember whos KK?
The KK player knew before the allin call he was behind but still shoved over $100k in the pot, and they are successful pro's!!!

where is the logic if the underdog is going to shove every hand?

That isn't the scenario though is it?

Don't be silly, the whole thing is utterly rediculous - Sklansky stated that with 50bb stacks an always allin strategy would win about 40% of the time.  Nobody is going to give odds of 10-1 hu.  Also using this logic he would also have to fold tptk or an overpair on the flop as they wouldn't be 10-1 favorite over any two.

What a load of rubbish!!

Fold pocket aces heads up? Not while i have a hole in my bottom.

i think thats the whole point , a pro can never offer odds of 10/1 heads up against anyone even if  they have pocket aces the other player will still be less than 10/1 to win the hand, before i asked someone this same question i asked them if i played johnny chan heads up what odds would you give me,without any thought they came out with 20/1,

What price chan?

The idiots OP was chatting to wld probably give you evens.