when is it right to fold pp aces

[steeveg]

hi all, i did give a couple of clues, 1 was its a heads up situatution,yeah, you may get it from this clue,it is a situation which would not come up in a tournament ,it would only happen when a poor player played a top pro heafs up and the pro gave the poor player good odds to win the match

[steeveg]

eck ,if i could award you a spot prize i would m8, brilliant ,still laughing after 5 min

[AlexMartin]

Im totally baffled by this thread.

[RichEO]

hi all, i did give a couple of clues, 1 was its a heads up situatution,yeah, you may get it from this clue,it is a situation which would not come up in a tournament ,it would only happen when a poor player played a top pro heafs up and the pro gave the poor player good odds to win the match

Well OK. If it was a Pro vs an amature and he was giving him 5-1, say $50k vs $250k. If the amature is all in pre flop (and the pot is small, low blinds no action). Then calling with your AA vs another pair or suited connectors, you are only a 4-1 favourite and losing out. The pro should fold and play smaller pots against the amature. This all asumes you are playing in this funny 5-1 matchup in the 1st place, and that you think your oppo doesn't have AK!

[doubleup]

hi all, i did give a couple of clues, 1 was its a heads up situatution,yeah, you may get it from this clue,it is a situation which would not come up in a tournament ,it would only happen when a poor player played a top pro heafs up and the pro gave the poor player good odds to win the match

Well OK. If it was a Pro vs an amature and he was giving him 5-1, say $50k vs $250k. If the amature is all in pre flop (and the pot is small, low blinds no action). Then calling with your AA vs another pair or suited connectors, you are only a 4-1 favourite and losing out. The pro should fold and play smaller pots against the amature. This all asumes you are playing in this funny 5-1 matchup in the 1st place, and that you think your oppo doesn't have AK!

Giving anyone 5-1 heads-up is a losing bet.  Also if you will never call an AI don't you think that your opponent might have a fairly straightforward strategy to beat you?

[TightEnd]

Im totally baffled by this thread.

 

[steeveg]

yeah, simple answer ,if a pro offers you odds of 10/1 to play you heads up and you move all in pre flop with most hands, he has to fold as he will not be getting the correct odds to call

[doubleup]

yeah, simple answer ,if a pro offers you odds of 10/1 to play you heads up and you move all in pre flop with most hands, he has to fold as he will not be getting the correct odds to call

FFS DN is an idiot.  Moving all in every hand must win that bet long term.  And also the pro must call to minimise his losses.

[Graham C]

Another time to fold preflop may be on or around the bubble if you are commanding the table and are enjoy stealing lots of blinds, it may be more profitable for the bubble not to burst.  i.e you can continue to steal the blinds where as doing something with AA stands a good chance of winning one pot, but longer term, you may get more out of stealing blinds

[Compo]

Are u having a steffi?  What does he call with if his oppo moves allin every hand? and how does he react to a reraise with AA? what a load of nonsense.

[ifm]

Are u having a steffi?  What does he call with if his oppo moves allin every hand? and how does he react to a reraise with AA? what a load of nonsense.

lol it does seem very odd but you can also see the logic behind it, if he can outplay his oppo (which he surely can) then keeping the pots small untilyou have better odds is the correct strategy in theory, though in practice i doubt anyone would fold aces.
Did anyone see high stakes poker when greenstein had aces v can't remember whos KK?
The KK player knew before the allin call he was behind but still shoved over $100k in the pot, and they are successful pro's!!!

[Compo]

where is the logic if the underdog is going to shove every hand?

[ifm]

where is the logic if the underdog is going to shove every hand?

That isn't the scenario though is it?

[doubleup]

where is the logic if the underdog is going to shove every hand?

That isn't the scenario though is it?

Don't be silly, the whole thing is utterly rediculous - Sklansky stated that with 50bb stacks an always allin strategy would win about 40% of the time.  Nobody is going to give odds of 10-1 hu.  Also using this logic he would also have to fold tptk or an overpair on the flop as they wouldn't be 10-1 favorite over any two.

[celtic]

What a load of rubbish!!

Fold pocket aces heads up? Not while i have a hole in my bottom.