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JackJordon - 21 hands, VP$IP 43%/PFR 5%/AF 13
_Ontheline_ - 1046 hands, VP$IP 22%/PFR 7%/AF 1.58



** Game ID 1720948294 starting - 2007-11-16 01:33:16
** Something Beautiful [Hold 'em] (3.00|6.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- DODARN sitting in seat 1 with $1280.05
- Diagonals sitting in seat 2 with $1282.60
- xxRalfxx sitting in seat 3 with $99.00
- rudddaniel sitting in seat 4 with $1125.95
- _OntheLine_ sitting in seat 5 with $709.05 [Dealer]
- JackJordan sitting in seat 6 with $682.90

JackJordan posted the small blind - $3.00
DODARN posted the big blind - $6.00
** Dealing card to rudddaniel:  Ks, Kc
Diagonals folded
xxRalfxx folded
rudddaniel raised - $24.00
_OntheLine_ called - $24.00
JackJordan went all-in - $682.90
DODARN folded
rudddaniel....

Is this on a site which has an All-in button? Just might be a mis-click. Call to find out.

Depends on his previous play, no read, I call...

If he does this with AA/KK/AK, you are a slght favorite. but ppl who do this have AA a lot, in fact I've never seen anyone do this with QQ.  Unless you've raised pre-flop for 10 of the last 20 hands and given the impression that you are a maniac, I'd be inclined to pass.

Depends on his previous play, no read, I fold...

Cash game instacallage.

I can't fold KK pre-flop to this sort of push by one guy in a short handed cash game if he has only been playing 21 hands. I know it's a popular way to play Aces pre-flop but I have seen too many people lay JJ this way pre-flop aswell.

I call. Need a solid read to pass, this guy is running 43/5 (only 21 hands i know) indicates he isn't exactly the best, so i call and expect to be ahead.

That means, he's played 8/9 hands in about 3.5 orbits, it's not that many, he could have just had a pretty good run of cards. He has only raised once in that time as well, so it's not like he's been really aggressive preflop!

Insta call. 

So is the optimum way to play AA pre-flop in a cash game to shove?

If you can get a caller then yes, it's ideal.

Most of the time you don't though, unless someone has KK.

The original post, and the replies are very similar to Kinboshi's post about calling with KK after a re-reaise from 400 to 10,000 in an APAT event...

there is a massive difference between a cash game and a tourney though. Tounryes yo get knocked out of..cash you just reload

Just because you can reload doesn't mean you should make a bad call. You can always go onto the next tournament anyway.

In a tournament you have to win all the chips (and so does everyone else) in a cash game you can do very nicely just by winning some, an approach that would lead to you blinding out in a tournament!

true..and I'm not saying this is always a call. I am fine with everyone voting to fold here. I would be more inclined to call this in a cash game than in the very early tages of a tourney

Me too.  But again, if I don't know the player, I would still lean on the side of caution and fold.  If I've played with the player before and have anything on him then I might be in a position where I'd call.

yeah it's a tricky call I'll admit that..I'd be inclined to make it but not very happy abut doing so.

Miserable German sod.

AY VILL NUT KALLL!!!

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fold.

You're right that there is a big difference between cash and tournaments- however, it is not the fact that in tournaments you get knocked out whereas in cash you can just reload!


In generally, calling 100BB with KK pre is a far better move in a tournament than at the cash table.

A bit sick tbh. Im deffo throwing up. I cant see him pushing anything but AA in this spot. If he was an unknown i call, a reg i fold. If its 2.30am on a Friday night i call, if its 3pm on a Tuesday i fold. Fuckit i call.

Does ITB do online cash game insurance?

There's always disconnection protection... ;whistle;

i could never fold kk now for 1 buyin in this situation (but the games r far more agg pf at 10 20 than at 3 6 where i did fold it a lot more). i think its important that this player is either a known or a newbie. if i know him as a reg grinder at the level the call is much harder. if he is an unknown/a donk (i treat unknowns and donks the same, they need to earn respect b/c more often than not an unknown is a donk) then its an insta call. for 1buyin to get kk in vs aa isnt bad at all and i think -ev folding. i need a better reason to fold.

I think this sums the hand up really

ok i decided to fold after much thought.

rudddaniel folded
_OntheLine_ called - $685.90

** Dealing the flop:  8c,  6c,  3c

** Dealing the turn:  2s

** Dealing the river:  3h
JackJordan shows:  Ahrt,  Jh
_OntheLine_ shows:  Th,  Td
_OntheLine_ wins $1398.80 from the main pot


brave call by onetheline who is a regular and has played this guy before!!! i think i might start datamining.

I call ;D

wow!!!! lol donkaments

Wow. Thats when you think bollox im a nit.

there is something wrong with your strategy if you folding KK there.the only time ever you should fold them does not occur in a cash game but in a tourny!cash you can look at it two ways...call and win lots of chips,[you could still hit a king its not impossible] of fold because the all-in bet came from a super-tight guy who hasnt played any hands all night,shake his hand and reload.in fact i doubt i would call if there was players behind me.......i'd shove

What about the call and lose lots of chips option?

i dont really care about whether its a tournament or a cash game, its about making the right decision. just because i can reload straight away, doesn't mean i should call.

Nit you say???????????????????????????




** Game ID 1728782741 starting - 2007-11-21 02:05:03
** Something Beautiful [Hold 'em] (3.00|6.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- rudddaniel sitting in seat 1 with $603.00
- Darinox sitting in seat 2 with $1698.82
- alas2570 sitting in seat 4 with $611.86
- Condorcet sitting in seat 5 with $798.25
- __pike__ sitting in seat 6 with $99.15 [Dealer]

rudddaniel posted the small blind - $3.00
Darinox posted the big blind - $6.00
** Dealing card to rudddaniel:  3d,  3h
alas2570 folded
Condorcet folded
__pike__ folded
rudddaniel called - $6.00
Darinox bet - $24.00
rudddaniel raised - $78.00
Darinox called - $78.00

** Dealing the flop:  Jc,  Js,  Tc
rudddaniel bet - $84.00
Darinox raised - $190.00
rudddaniel called - $190.00

** Dealing the turn:  4h
rudddaniel checked
Darinox bet - $340.00
rudddaniel went all-in - $338.00

** Dealing the river:  7s
rudddaniel shows:  3d,  3h
Darinox shows:  9c,  8c
Darinox wins $1209.00 from the main pot

End of game 1728782741

no need to analyse this hand thank you

The initial post is a call for me unless you know the player. The possibility that he is either on tilt, a gambler, or holding an inferior hand override the chances of Aces for me.

^^^^as above

making the right decsion is important, and over 1000 hands a call is def right in this situation.

well to the lads above fold your kings away...if you're playing regularly then its a defo call

I might break my mouse clicking call so fast

Sorry to resurrect this but one point just occurred to me as I folded KK the other day to an allin 4 bet from an 18/9 regular.  There are players who are fairly sure that there hand is face up when the 4 bet, so they just push in the hope of getting a call from KK.  Most competent players realise that all-in 3 betting with AA is a fairly good way to minimise profits and are unlikely to do it, so this probably means that the situation described in the OP is a call.