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Question: Which button do you press?  (Voting closed: November 23, 2007, 01:54:26 AM)
Call - 28 (80%)
Fold - 7 (20%)
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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2007, 02:02:11 PM »

Just because you can reload doesn't mean you should make a bad call. You can always go onto the next tournament anyway.

In a tournament you have to win all the chips (and so does everyone else) in a cash game you can do very nicely just by winning some, an approach that would lead to you blinding out in a tournament!

true..and I'm not saying this is always a call. I am fine with everyone voting to fold here. I would be more inclined to call this in a cash game than in the very early tages of a tourney
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2007, 02:09:18 PM »

Just because you can reload doesn't mean you should make a bad call. You can always go onto the next tournament anyway.

In a tournament you have to win all the chips (and so does everyone else) in a cash game you can do very nicely just by winning some, an approach that would lead to you blinding out in a tournament!

true..and I'm not saying this is always a call. I am fine with everyone voting to fold here. I would be more inclined to call this in a cash game than in the very early stages of a tourney

Me too.  But again, if I don't know the player, I would still lean on the side of caution and fold.  If I've played with the player before and have anything on him then I might be in a position where I'd call.

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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2007, 02:14:52 PM »

Just because you can reload doesn't mean you should make a bad call. You can always go onto the next tournament anyway.

In a tournament you have to win all the chips (and so does everyone else) in a cash game you can do very nicely just by winning some, an approach that would lead to you blinding out in a tournament!

true..and I'm not saying this is always a call. I am fine with everyone voting to fold here. I would be more inclined to call this in a cash game than in the very early stages of a tourney

Me too.  But again, if I don't know the player, I would still lean on the side of caution and fold.  If I've played with the player before and have anything on him then I might be in a position where I'd call.



yeah it's a tricky call I'll admit that..I'd be inclined to make it but not very happy abut doing so.
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2007, 03:18:22 PM »

Just because you can reload doesn't mean you should make a bad call. You can always go onto the next tournament anyway.

In a tournament you have to win all the chips (and so does everyone else) in a cash game you can do very nicely just by winning some, an approach that would lead to you blinding out in a tournament!

true..and I'm not saying this is always a call. I am fine with everyone voting to fold here. I would be more inclined to call this in a cash game than in the very early stages of a tourney

Me too.  But again, if I don't know the player, I would still lean on the side of caution and fold.  If I've played with the player before and have anything on him then I might be in a position where I'd call.



yeah it's a tricky call I'll admit that..I'd be inclined to make it but not very happy abut doing so.

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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2007, 03:32:23 PM »

Just because you can reload doesn't mean you should make a bad call. You can always go onto the next tournament anyway.

In a tournament you have to win all the chips (and so does everyone else) in a cash game you can do very nicely just by winning some, an approach that would lead to you blinding out in a tournament!

true..and I'm not saying this is always a call. I am fine with everyone voting to fold here. I would be more inclined to call this in a cash game than in the very early stages of a tourney

Me too.  But again, if I don't know the player, I would still lean on the side of caution and fold.  If I've played with the player before and have anything on him then I might be in a position where I'd call.



yeah it's a tricky call I'll admit that..I'd be inclined to make it but not very happy abut doing so.

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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2007, 04:13:02 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2007, 10:14:08 PM »

The original post, and the replies are very similar to Kinboshi's post about calling with KK after a re-reaise from 400 to 10,000 in an APAT event...

there is a massive difference between a cash game and a tourney though. Tounryes yo get knocked out of..cash you just reload

You're right that there is a big difference between cash and tournaments- however, it is not the fact that in tournaments you get knocked out whereas in cash you can just reload!


In generally, calling 100BB with KK pre is a far better move in a tournament than at the cash table.
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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2007, 05:38:47 AM »

A bit sick tbh. Im deffo throwing up. I cant see him pushing anything but AA in this spot. If he was an unknown i call, a reg i fold. If its 2.30am on a Friday night i call, if its 3pm on a Tuesday i fold. Fuckit i call.

Does ITB do online cash game insurance?
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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2007, 09:51:01 AM »

There's always disconnection protection...
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2007, 02:37:21 AM »

i could never fold kk now for 1 buyin in this situation (but the games r far more agg pf at 10 20 than at 3 6 where i did fold it a lot more). i think its important that this player is either a known or a newbie. if i know him as a reg grinder at the level the call is much harder. if he is an unknown/a donk (i treat unknowns and donks the same, they need to earn respect b/c more often than not an unknown is a donk) then its an insta call. for 1buyin to get kk in vs aa isnt bad at all and i think -ev folding. i need a better reason to fold.
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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2007, 03:07:50 AM »

A bit sick tbh. Im deffo throwing up. I cant see him pushing anything but AA in this spot. If he was an unknown i call, a reg i fold. If its 2.30am on a Friday night i call, if its 3pm on a Tuesday i fold. Fuckit i call.



I think this sums the hand up really
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2007, 05:23:27 PM »

ok i decided to fold after much thought.

rudddaniel folded
_OntheLine_ called - $685.90

** Dealing the flop:  three clubs

** Dealing the turn:  two spades

** Dealing the river: 
JackJordan shows: 
_OntheLine_ shows: 
_OntheLine_ wins $1398.80 from the main pot


brave call by onetheline who is a regular and has played this guy before!!! i think i might start datamining.
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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2007, 05:35:09 PM »

I call Grin

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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2007, 07:02:49 AM »

ok i decided to fold after much thought.

rudddaniel folded
_OntheLine_ called - $685.90

** Dealing the flop:  three clubs

** Dealing the turn:  two spades

** Dealing the river: 
JackJordan shows: 
_OntheLine_ shows: 
_OntheLine_ wins $1398.80 from the main pot


brave call by onetheline who is a regular and has played this guy before!!! i think i might start datamining.

Wow. Thats when you think bollox im a nit.
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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2007, 06:17:19 PM »

Cash game instacallage.
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